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Post by turnright on Apr 13, 2022 6:37:40 GMT 12
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Post by tank11 on Apr 13, 2022 8:09:19 GMT 12
Holes big enough in his (Brownlee) story to drift a truck and trailer through. |
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Post by go29 on Apr 13, 2022 8:09:52 GMT 12
This is the kind of stuff speedway does not need. What an embarrassing response from Speedway NZ - "Speedway New Zealand general manager Zoe Irons said she was unwell with Covid and was unable to respond to questions from Stuff before deadline." - Is there no one else besides Zoe that can front these kind of issues if she is unwell or unavailable?
Brownlees has caused rifts at Woodford Glen and the Canterbury Offroad Club too, so not a big surprise to learn he was involved.
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Post by Driftwood on Apr 13, 2022 8:29:28 GMT 12
I have been on wrong end of his temper before with assault and he isnt very nice at all
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Post by mod46c on Apr 13, 2022 9:48:14 GMT 12
This is the kind of stuff speedway does not need. What an embarrassing response from Speedway NZ - "Speedway New Zealand general manager Zoe Irons said she was unwell with Covid and was unable to respond to questions from Stuff before deadline." - Is there no one else besides Zoe that can front these kind of issues if she is unwell or unavailable? Brownlees has caused rifts at Woodford Glen and the Canterbury Offroad Club too, so not a big surprise to learn he was involved. If the CEO is unavailable the request should have been forwarded to the president to deal with. |
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Post by turnright on Apr 13, 2022 10:09:31 GMT 12
Yip I've had him go ape nuts at me too, not a human being we really need in our sport.
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Post by theothermikeyb on Apr 13, 2022 13:54:31 GMT 12
A little nervous about posting in case what I say is twisted around.
So let’s be clear. The behaviour here displayed by Mr Brownlees is not okay. It was an assault and he is now paying the consequence of that. He should not have sprayed her and the loss of business is on him as a result.
But let’s now look at the issues presented in the story and try to understand those. Don’t see this as victim blaming as it is clear who committed the crime.
Firstly, was the volunteer actually going to check on the welfare of a competitor who had infringed? That seems really unusual to me.the reason she was there does not justify what he did but it makes me wonder if she is being honest there.
Secondly, why is he still involved with the club and she is not? Surely no club is going to risk their reputation aiding with him without good reason. Again, is there more to the story?
Why did it take so long to get medical treatment? Something in the timeline just feels off to me. 18 hours between the incident and getting help? Could it be the injuries were not that serious (again, they should never have happened in the first place).
What was the delay in having charges pressed about? Did his letters solidly the decision to do that? What was the victim not pressing charges earlier? Again, his guilt is clear but things don’t add up.
So many questions. So few answers.
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Post by bustersno1fan on Apr 13, 2022 15:27:58 GMT 12
A little nervous about posting in case what I say is twisted around. So let’s be clear. The behaviour here displayed by Mr Brownlees is not okay. It was an assault and he is now paying the consequence of that. He should not have sprayed her and the loss of business is on him as a result. But let’s now look at the issues presented in the story and try to understand those. Don’t see this as victim blaming as it is clear who committed the crime. Firstly, was the volunteer actually going to check on the welfare of a competitor who had infringed? That seems really unusual to me.the reason she was there does not justify what he did but it makes me wonder if she is being honest there. Secondly, why is he still involved with the club and she is not? Surely no club is going to risk their reputation aiding with him without good reason. Again, is there more to the story? Why did it take so long to get medical treatment? Something in the timeline just feels off to me. 18 hours between the incident and getting help? Could it be the injuries were not that serious (again, they should never have happened in the first place). What was the delay in having charges pressed about? Did his letters solidly the decision to do that? What was the victim not pressing charges earlier? Again, his guilt is clear but things don’t add up. So many questions. So few answers. I am not a member of the club so it isn't for me to wade in there, but.. if I was I would be none too pleased that a volunteer was on the receiving end of this treatment from a member, no matter the circumstance. Trying to justify it is victim blaming. The court has convicted Mr Brownlees, any flow on effect from that is squarely the fault of one person. Time is a healer as is genuine remorse and being humbled.. |
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Post by daleh on Apr 13, 2022 15:50:56 GMT 12
A little nervous about posting in case what I say is twisted around. So let’s be clear. The behaviour here displayed by Mr Brownlees is not okay. It was an assault and he is now paying the consequence of that. He should not have sprayed her and the loss of business is on him as a result. But let’s now look at the issues presented in the story and try to understand those. Don’t see this as victim blaming as it is clear who committed the crime. Firstly, was the volunteer actually going to check on the welfare of a competitor who had infringed? That seems really unusual to me.the reason she was there does not justify what he did but it makes me wonder if she is being honest there. Secondly, why is he still involved with the club and she is not? Surely no club is going to risk their reputation aiding with him without good reason. Again, is there more to the story? Why did it take so long to get medical treatment? Something in the timeline just feels off to me. 18 hours between the incident and getting help? Could it be the injuries were not that serious (again, they should never have happened in the first place). What was the delay in having charges pressed about? Did his letters solidly the decision to do that? What was the victim not pressing charges earlier? Again, his guilt is clear but things don’t add up. So many questions. So few answers. Chemical burn easily explains the delay; also why they can be so nasty since you think your in the clear when need urgent treatment. At a complete guess... The probable reason leaving she left the club was not supported or backed up by members. That could be for inter person reasons; but based on subject to criminal assault and still no support; I’d suggest Brownlee had plenty of influence and Ruapuna leadership is weak and pathetic. Likely trespassed solely as tokenism. If that is along the lines of what happened then it does rightfully reflect upon that whole club and not just Brownlee. |
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Post by turnright on Apr 13, 2022 18:50:49 GMT 12
This level of assault is not ok in any form, to be convicted in the courts means he should also be sanctioned from the club and snz in my opinnion
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Post by tonyr on Apr 13, 2022 19:36:56 GMT 12
This level of assault is not ok in any form, to be convicted in the courts means he should also be sanctioned from the club and snz in my opinnion As soon as he was convicted he should have been banned for life. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 19:44:30 GMT 12
No excuse for that rubbish, and should be banned for life... Just another chequebook racer that threw his toys...
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Post by salooncar on Apr 13, 2022 23:30:47 GMT 12
Let's just ignore the people, the track, and everything else involved EXCEPT the class of cars, and then we will get to the crux of the matter. We're dealing with a kids' class where the racing had no competitive ethos until a few years ago. It's a class designed to get new competitors into our sport at a young age and help them develop their skills. Ignoring who was right or wrong, if it had remained that sort of class this never would have happened, but we have lost that through points being awarded, competitiveness encouraged, and CTRA running a championship with 1,2, and 3NZ numbers awarded. That makes it expensive, leads to fired up parents (as in this case), and loses sight of the very reason the class exists. Ministocks suffers from exactly the same sort of issues. We as a sport, and SNZ as our governing body, need to address this as soon as we can. Feeder/training classes need to be cheap, welcoming, and friendly - we have lost that both in Quarter Midgets and Ministocks. It's detrimental to our sport's future that selling a kids' car can generate enough money to buy an adult car, and that parents take it that seriously. We need to get back to the original intent of both classes and make it affordable and a learning ground, not another points scoring championship - had that been the case now this whole sorry saga would never have happened.
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Post by Go Slideways on Apr 13, 2022 23:48:45 GMT 12
In defence of Mr Brownlees Christchurch Speedway Association president Rob Roxburgh is quoted as saying:
“As always there are two sides to every story and this sorry, over dramatised episode is an example of that.”
... over dramatised .. by who? the lady who was assualted?
Get real Mr Roxburgh, the dude used a weapon to assault a woman in public. What a wimp is what you should have said.
Justification and minimisation are the go-to defence's for a culture that endorses violence toward woman.
"She deserved it." "She asked for it." "Sh*t happens on the p*ss." "She should'nt have even been there." Justification.
"It was only a back hander." "She's hardly even hurt." Minimisation
Then the type of never taking ownership or accepting concequences of their actions people who spend 60 grand on lawyers to squirm their way free usually go on to attacking the credibility of the victim... And I'm not being over dramatic.
It struck me as particularly egocentric that Mr Brownless' main reasons put forward as to why he thought he shouldn't be convicted, but instead be granted a free pass were that "he was the owner of a successful contracting firm that employed 20 staff. About 20 per cent of the company’s work was for government departments, including Corrections and the police. Those contracts were subject to a vetting process and could be compromised if Brownlees was convicted," Williams said. It would also make it difficult for him to travel overseas to support his son, who had a “promising” future in racing. Bit late Mr Brownless, you should've thought about that before you shook the can, held it and aimed it and sprayed ("possibly Brake Cleaner or CRC") into the victims face.
Hope you get the anger management skills you obviously lack in abundance Mr Brownless without delay. Use your words.
Unfortunately the victim didn't appear to have the best legal team. I thought the fine of $1,500 was probably ok, but the $2000 emotional harm reparation ordered to be paid to the victim was extremely lenient. At least ten times that amount would have been a better starting point in my view.
These are my own personal thoughts, and the victim isn't my mother, sister, aunt or cousin, this case just reminded me of a few things I saw at home when I was young after the pub shut that I didn't like then either.
His rugby mates would instantly minimise, justify and then head on out to begin the cycle all over again.
Wimps the whole gutless lot of them.
What a rant - but it is a discussion board. lol
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Post by tank11 on Apr 14, 2022 7:53:28 GMT 12
In defence of Mr Brownlees Christchurch Speedway Association president Rob Roxburgh is quoted as saying: “As always there are two sides to every story and this sorry, over dramatised episode is an example of that.” ... over dramatised .. by who? the lady who was assualted? Get real Mr Roxburgh, the dude used a weapon to assault a woman in public. What a wimp is what you should have said. Justification and minimisation are the go-to defence's for a culture that endorses violence toward woman. "She deserved it." "She asked for it." "Sh*t happens on the p*ss." "She should'nt have even been there." Justification. "It was only a back hander." "She's hardly even hurt." Minimisation Then the type of never taking ownership or accepting concequences of their actions people who spend 60 grand on lawyers to squirm their way free usually go on to attacking the credibility of the victim... And I'm not being over dramatic. It struck me as particularly egocentric that Mr Brownless' main reasons put forward as to why he thought he shouldn't be convicted, but instead be granted a free pass were that "he was the owner of a successful contracting firm that employed 20 staff. About 20 per cent of the company’s work was for government departments, including Corrections and the police. Those contracts were subject to a vetting process and could be compromised if Brownlees was convicted," Williams said. It would also make it difficult for him to travel overseas to support his son, who had a “promising” future in racing. Bit late Mr Brownless, you should've thought about that before you shook the can, held it and aimed it and sprayed ("possibly Brake Cleaner or CRC") into the victims face. Hope you get the anger management skills you obviously lack in abundance Mr Brownless without delay. Use your words. Unfortunately the victim didn't appear to have the best legal team. I thought the fine of $1,500 was probably ok, but the $2000 emotional harm reparation ordered to be paid to the victim was extremely lenient. At least ten times that amount would have been a better starting point in my view. These are my own personal thoughts, and the victim isn't my mother, sister, aunt or cousin, this case just reminded me of a few things I saw at home when I was young after the pub shut that I didn't like then either. His rugby mates would instantly minimise, justify and then head on out to begin the cycle all over again. Wimps the whole gutless lot of them. What a rant - but it is a discussion board. lol I vote Pete for prime minister................ |
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Post by percy on Apr 14, 2022 13:03:01 GMT 12
Time I add some thoughts
I'd be very weary about piling in on the basis of a single media report. In these situations there tends to be a lot of information (and a lot of history) that does not make the public sphere.
Information that if made public might (or might not) alter ones opinion of the situation and the respective parties.
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Post by tonyr on Apr 14, 2022 14:21:10 GMT 12
Time I add some thoughts I'd be very weary about piling in on the basis of a single media report. In these situations there tends to be a lot of information (and a lot of history) that does not make the public sphere. Information that if made public might (or might not) alter ones opinion of the situation and the respective parties. The fact remains he was convicted in a court of law. There can be no justification for his actions! |
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Post by turnright on Apr 14, 2022 19:13:30 GMT 12
Agree 100%, court of law convicted him and did not give discharge without conviction so the book needs to be thrown at him, you will always get the people that pick his side but there are heaps of people out there that have been on the wrong side of his temper. Throw the book I say
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Post by Driftwood on Apr 14, 2022 19:31:26 GMT 12
I am not trying to feed the fire. But, I have been a victim of his anger at a speedway meeting. He physically assaulted me in an absolute rage. I have never had a reason to publish this on a discussion board but now we are seeing the truth of who he really is. I know this isn't a one off, there are other people out there that have been victims as well.
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Post by flatty888 on Apr 17, 2022 18:05:32 GMT 12
Let's just ignore the people, the track, and everything else involved EXCEPT the class of cars, and then we will get to the crux of the matter. We're dealing with a kids' class where the racing had no competitive ethos until a few years ago. It's a class designed to get new competitors into our sport at a young age and help them develop their skills. Ignoring who was right or wrong, if it had remained that sort of class this never would have happened, but we have lost that through points being awarded, competitiveness encouraged, and CTRA running a championship with 1,2, and 3NZ numbers awarded. That makes it expensive, leads to fired up parents (as in this case), and loses sight of the very reason the class exists. Ministocks suffers from exactly the same sort of issues. We as a sport, and SNZ as our governing body, need to address this as soon as we can. Feeder/training classes need to be cheap, welcoming, and friendly - we have lost that both in Quarter Midgets and Ministocks. It's detrimental to our sport's future that selling a kids' car can generate enough money to buy an adult car, and that parents take it that seriously. We need to get back to the original intent of both classes and make it affordable and a learning ground, not another points scoring championship - had that been the case now this whole sorry saga would never have happened. what you have said is no excuse for spraying a chemical in someone's face or Male assaults Female. With more people coming forward about the treatment they have received from Jacob Brownlees it's painting a picture that he has anger management problems and you shouldn't be using "points being awarded, competitiveness encouraged" as an excuse for his behavior at all. |
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