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Post by Wingless1 on Jul 9, 2023 15:19:52 GMT 12
What a night! MC announces the wrong person for an award, average food for $150 a ticket and don’t even get me started on the awards, they really dropped the ball this year but is any body actually surprised at this point.
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Post by cae76 on Jul 9, 2023 15:31:34 GMT 12
Who were the winners at the Awards.
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Post by BarryB on Jul 9, 2023 16:01:25 GMT 12
Who were the winners at the Awards. All on the SNZ Facebook page Barry B |
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Post by accobra on Jul 9, 2023 18:52:37 GMT 12
Well deserved Midget Competitor of the year Brad Mosen. 👏 👏
And Mathew Leversedge in the Sprintcar 👏 👏
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Post by Wingless1 on Jul 9, 2023 21:36:30 GMT 12
Well deserved Midget Competitor of the year Brad Mosen. 👏 👏 And Mathew Leversedge in the Sprintcar 👏 👏 Yeah Brad Definitely deserved his but Leversedge?? Won 1 feature this season and 3NZ. Daniel Thomas 5 features, Master series and 1NZ. Even Mcdonald won more than Leversedge this season. Not Leversedges fault he won but I would really love to know what half of these awards were based on because it definitely wasn’t who did the best on the track. |
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Post by accobra on Jul 9, 2023 22:26:24 GMT 12
Well deserved Midget Competitor of the year Brad Mosen. 👏 👏 And Mathew Leversedge in the Sprintcar 👏 👏 Yeah Brad Definitely deserved his but Leversedge?? Won 1 feature this season and 3NZ. Daniel Thomas 5 features, Master series and 1NZ. Even Mcdonald won more than Leversedge this season. Not Leversedges fault he won but I would really love to know what half of these awards were based on because it definitely wasn’t who did the best on the track. I was surprised too with Leversedge's win. Most improved maybe. On paper Daniel Thomas my pick. But is what it is. |
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Post by percy on Jul 9, 2023 22:33:03 GMT 12
Overall I thought the judging team did a really good job this year.
Puk was an inspired choice for the prestigious Jake Pulman award and it was great to see the Tennant family receive the contribution to speedway award. Was particularly happy to see the NZ Sprintcar Title win best event as it was up against a couple of nominees that endured promotional blunders during their events.
There are always a couple of awards that raise the eyebrows. Kihikihi winning the adversity award was a bit surprising given the high level of adversity suffered at other tracks. There was no shortage of contenders last season! It was a surprise to see Leversedge make the final nominations list for the Sprintcar category let alone win it as he did not have a great season in what is a deep Sprintcar division. His nomination may have been spectacular (or the others lacking).
Was pleasing to see that being 1nz seemingly carried less weight than previous years.
Would still like to see the awards reformed away from on track achievements and move towards community engagement, contribution to the sport and advancing the sport etc.
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Post by midway on Jul 9, 2023 22:49:28 GMT 12
What a night! MC announces the wrong person for an award, average food for $150 a ticket and don’t even get me started on the awards, they really dropped the ball this year but is any body actually surprised at this point. Unfortunately you dont get much these days for a 150 bucks ,just look at the price of fish and chips .. There were a few surprisers in the judging but never the less most enjoyed the evening .. |
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Post by openwheelfan01 on Jul 11, 2023 15:34:01 GMT 12
Congrats to the winners of these awards. surely they should be judged by the fans and supporters spend their money at the track not by selected judges. sounds like Oscars, we all know that best films dont necessarily win the big prizes.
would of been really close in the midget competitor of the year with BM winning most features. MP won the most snz titles, may of come down to coat of paint far winner there.
Leversedge win congrats to the team am also wondering how Daniel Thomas didnt win he was most consistent throughout season.
Even likes of Jonathan Allard and Dean Brindle who wernt nominated still strong contenders. with wins across the season. did Leversedge come up to north island race or was majority of his racing down south ? then why didnt Joel Myers jnr get at least nomination.
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Post by percy on Jul 12, 2023 12:42:04 GMT 12
Congrats to the winners of these awards. surely they should be judged by the fans and supporters spend their money at the track not by selected judges. sounds like Oscars, we all know that best films dont necessarily win the big prizes. This is the last thing you would ever want to do to the SNZ awards. They would become a popularity contest not based on merit. The best photo of the year is now utilising this format and the award has become Stockcar photo of the year. No open wheel or saloon photo will win this award again unless the format is changed. As a former judge I can tell you the amount of time required to go through the nominations and give them all due consideration was around 15-20 hours per year. No fan/supporter is ever going to invest that amount of time. I'm not sure what the problem is that your suggestion is trying to fix. There was a surprise winner in one, maybe two categories across the entire night. That is no reason to re-invent the wheel with a system that would be infinitely worse than what we have now. |
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Post by BarryB on Jul 12, 2023 14:52:24 GMT 12
Congrats to the winners of these awards. surely they should be judged by the fans and supporters spend their money at the track not by selected judges. sounds like Oscars, we all know that best films dont necessarily win the big prizes. This is the last thing you would ever want to do to the SNZ awards. They would become a popularity contest not based on merit. The best photo of the year is now utilising this format and the award has become Stockcar photo of the year. No open wheel or saloon photo will win this award again unless the format is changed. As a former judge I can tell you the amount of time required to go through the nominations and give them all due consideration was around 15-20 hours per year. No fan/supporter is ever going to invest that amount of time. I'm not sure what the problem is that your suggestion is trying to fix. There was a surprise winner in one, maybe two categories across the entire night. That is no reason to re-invent the wheel with a system that would be infinitely worse than what we have now. As another former judge, in my case most years since the very first awards (back in 1995?) until very recently (not 2023, as I withdrew for health reasons as I couldn't put in the hours required), I can't agree with Percy more. I also agree with everybody else; in that there was at least one major surprise in 2023, but then as non-judges we're not privy to the submissions either. Having seen many submissions over the years, and having put together submissions for more than a few competitors too, I can cay with authority that they certainly vary in quality. A judge cannot judge on information that has not been supplied. One thing I can say is that for the competitors standpoint they are not judged entirely for their on-track performances. Barry B |
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Post by powerbuilt on Jul 13, 2023 22:38:20 GMT 12
This is the last thing you would ever want to do to the SNZ awards. They would become a popularity contest not based on merit. The best photo of the year is now utilising this format and the award has become Stockcar photo of the year. No open wheel or saloon photo will win this award again unless the format is changed. As a former judge I can tell you the amount of time required to go through the nominations and give them all due consideration was around 15-20 hours per year. No fan/supporter is ever going to invest that amount of time. I'm not sure what the problem is that your suggestion is trying to fix. There was a surprise winner in one, maybe two categories across the entire night. That is no reason to re-invent the wheel with a system that would be infinitely worse than what we have now. As another former judge, in my case most years since the very first awards (back in 1995?) until very recently (not 2023, as I withdrew for health reasons as I couldn't put in the hours required), I can't agree with Percy more. I also agree with everybody else; in that there was at least one major surprise in 2023, but then as non-judges we're not privy to the submissions either. Having seen many submissions over the years, and having put together submissions for more than a few competitors too, I can cay with authority that they certainly vary in quality. A judge cannot judge on information that has not been supplied. One thing I can say is that for the competitors standpoint they are not judged entirely for their on-track performances. Barry B Good feedback / incite Barry and Percy from a judge's perspective, I have commented elsewhere to make the awards more transparent would be great if they publish the criteria for both nominations and how the winners are determined, i.e. on track results verses off track - social media, interaction with public, presentation of vehicle / crew etc and say who the judging panel is as well. I also agree that not a case for a 'public / fans' vote but would be interesting if consideration could be giving to looking as having a new award in each class where the competitors in each class could vote for their Competitor of the Year. In the case of the award for Contribution to Speedway firmly believe that all the nominations should get an award rather than an out-right winner. |
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 15, 2023 10:52:48 GMT 12
I think competitor of the year should always been based on, on track racing results not a popularity contest or who ever posts the most on their facebook pages or who has the shiny paint job
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Post by BarryB on Jul 15, 2023 12:06:44 GMT 12
I think competitor of the year should always been based on, on track racing results not a popularity contest or who ever posts the most on their facebook pages or who has the shiny paint job On track performances carry a huge amount of weight in the voting as you may have noticed over the years the vast majority of the "Competitor of the Year" winners have been the NZ Champion of that particular year, but as has been mentioned before, the submission put before the judges needs to contain all of the relevant information also. Not every judge will personally know the details of every nomination in every category. Facebook and paints jobs will only be a consideration in any "online" and "presentation" categories. Barry B |
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Post by openwheelfan01 on Jul 15, 2023 16:35:12 GMT 12
Track results should realistically determine winner of these awards. some of the nominations definitely are "mind boggling" why not just have 5 nominated drivers. as opposed narrowing it just 3. then you take out all the controversy surrounding the process.
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Post by percy on Jul 15, 2023 18:27:04 GMT 12
Track results should realistically determine winner of these awards. some of the nominations definitely are "mind boggling" why not just have 5 nominated drivers. as opposed narrowing it just 3. then you take out all the controversy surrounding the process. The venue is limited is about 400 people With all the AGM delegates, observers and SNZ personnel (plus partners) already there, the first 160 seats or so are taken before the first nominee gets a ticket. You would have to find a new venue capable of hosting 600 people if you were to expand the nominees to 5. |
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Post by openwheelfan01 on Jul 31, 2023 14:22:38 GMT 12
ok fair comment. some of those nominated always controversial recall when Rico Abreu was nominated for snz driver of the year only contested 5 or so meetings. just expanding it if was possible give more drivers opportunity have nomination. if they require bigger venue, most like just to stay with status quo.
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