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Post by nakifans on Nov 28, 2023 15:11:07 GMT 12
9W Pitcher
17M Tidd
21N Burson
3NZ Cardwell
62M Garnett
49C Abrahamson
2NZ Flynn
7P Dreaver
77K Creswell
92M Hayward
94M Orr
85M Pollock
26M Garnett
37M Cowling
99M Wailing
69M Partington
18M Waddell
24A Harding ?
98A Jordon
32P Belk
27P Ingram
1NZ Cowling
7M Emerson
99A McInteer
58P Bengston
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Post by BarryB on Nov 30, 2023 19:12:41 GMT 12
Hopefully the weather is conducive to a night of whale watching at Baypark come Saturday night.
Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Dec 2, 2023 17:03:53 GMT 12
Weather is primo. Not so primo is the cars that turned up that are not allowed to race due to the SNZ 1 or 3 meeting rule, whichever is relevant to each particular driver. No sign of 1nz or 24a, and about half a dozen others ineligible taking the numbers down to about 16 or 18 (will count them when they come out). Very disappointing, especially with the primo cost at the gate. Hopefully still a good show.
Barry B
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Post by hbhornets on Dec 2, 2023 17:13:04 GMT 12
Weather is primo. Not so primo is the cars that turned up that are not allowed to race due to the SNZ 1 or 3 meeting rule, whichever is relevant to each particular driver. No sign of 1nz or 24a, and about half a dozen others ineligible taking the numbers down to about 16 or 18 (will count them when they come out). Very disappointing, especially with the primo cost at the gate. Hopefully still a good show. Barry B Why the gp races without the rule and north or south island does is beyond me. Shouldn't exist at all is only harmful to the sport. Doubt you see it that way. But if all those guys throw in the towel and decide it's not worth racing anymore ever then does the benefits still out weight negatives. |
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Post by petrolfumes on Dec 2, 2023 18:21:16 GMT 12
Baypark promotion responsible for entry's yet Speedway NZ run meeting but no checks in place to ensure entrants meet SNZ requirements.
Several drivers traveled from north of Auckland to get turned away .
Solution Track must submit entries to Speedway NZ at least 3 days before meeting to confirm entrants meet requirements.
That way Track Promoters do not release entry lists that turn out to be misleading and Speedway NZ are seen in a better light and aren't seen as spoiling the spectators expectations.
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Post by nzspeedwayalmanack on Dec 2, 2023 19:17:02 GMT 12
Final race might line up something like the following (pts, driver, r1 place, r2 place)
40 18m 1 1
39 3nz 2 1
37 2nz 2 3
36 49c 1 5
36 5b 4 2
36 94m 4 2
35 37m 3 4
34 7m 3 5
34 58p 5 3
33 9w 5 4
30 21n 6 6
29 77k 6 7
28 69m 7 7
28 32au 8 6
27 79p 7 8
24 85m 9 dnf(9)
24 17m 10 dnf(8)
13 99m dnf(8) dns
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Post by bikeboy on Dec 3, 2023 5:49:45 GMT 12
Baypark promotion responsible for entry's yet Speedway NZ run meeting but no checks in place to ensure entrants meet SNZ requirements. Several drivers traveled from north of Auckland to get turned away . Solution Track must submit entries to Speedway NZ at least 3 days before meeting to confirm entrants meet requirements. That way Track Promoters do not release entry lists that turn out to be misleading and Speedway NZ are seen in a better light and aren't seen as spoiling the spectators expectations. How about another solution , the drivers make sure they are eligible before driving to the track |
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Post by tiroto on Dec 3, 2023 7:11:42 GMT 12
Was there any feedback from the drivers regarding their eligibility? I'm trying to remember exceptions in the past due to specific circumstances eg race car got stolen etc, but I can't remember off the top off my head
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Post by cobbya on Dec 3, 2023 7:32:52 GMT 12
Good track ,good venue but$35 for two good races?
Enjoyed the battle between Damien Orr and Mark Pitcher in the GP final and the Sprintcar feature was pretty decent
But the rest of the meeting was pretty low key
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Post by Helios on Dec 3, 2023 8:32:51 GMT 12
Enjoyed the battle between Damien Orr and Mark Pitcher in the GP final Try "North Island", I think  |
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Post by bikeboy on Dec 3, 2023 10:15:08 GMT 12
Was there any feedback from the drivers regarding their eligibility? I'm trying to remember exceptions in the past due to specific circumstances eg race car got stolen etc, but I can't remember off the top off my head Bradley Wilson dean just announced he had got one for the now orieti run Nz solos champs , |
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Post by tiroto on Dec 3, 2023 12:06:59 GMT 12
I guess what I'm suggested is that surely it's ok for drivers to get a dispensation from the rule due to personal factors?
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Post by bikeboy on Dec 3, 2023 12:09:07 GMT 12
I guess what I'm suggested is that surely it's ok for drivers to get a dispensation from the rule due to personal factors? Yes it is , and I believe rain outs for early season events is a perfectly. Good reason to do it But you have to apply for it before hand , and not just turn up and expect to race |
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Post by tiroto on Dec 3, 2023 12:23:25 GMT 12
I just don't think it does the sport any favours. I'm sure the Pharisees and Sadducees who love to spout the 613 commandments and condemn any driver who breaks the laws are right but surely there can be extended a little bit of grace on the night so they can compete? Let he who hasn't sinned throw the first stone |
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Post by tank11 on Dec 3, 2023 12:47:52 GMT 12
I just don't think it does the sport any favours. I'm sure the Pharisees and Sadducees who love to spout the 613 commandments and condemn any driver who breaks the laws are right but surely there can be extended a little bit of grace on the night so they can compete? Let he who hasn't sinned throw the first stone D Where do I aim at?  |
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Post by BarryB on Dec 3, 2023 16:15:53 GMT 12
It was more disappointing than anything else. It appears a couple of cars [the NZ1m and 24a] did not turn up, but several others did front up but never made it out of the pit gate. I saw at least one car head home before the meeting even got started. It's a big effort for me to be able to get to a meeting at the moment (I doubt I'll be able to handle any two-nighters, so it'll like be one-nighters and the odd second-night only), and the published entry list had a decent sized quality field of 26 cars/drivers meaning the qualifying races would actually be an elimination as well as forming the grid, with 20 drivers to contest the final. With Huntly's Superstock Teams meeting cancelled, this became my first meeting of the season. The idea of 26 Super Saloons around Baypark turned my wheels. Had I known around 10 cars would not be facing the starter for one reason or another, I'd have stayed home. With Ministocks and F2 Midgets in support, we were lucky the Sprintcars did the business, even though we couldn't see turns 1 & 2 through the dust from turn 4. When you know you'll only be able to get to a handful of meetings over the course of the summer, I was hoping to make each one count. As hinted above, with split fields in the heats we really only got two good races across the whole night. I can't really blame the promotion for not knowing 40% of the drivers on the entry list hadn't done the required meetings - surely the competitors themselves knew the rules? - but one thing is 100% sure; it wasn't a good look for the sport.
Barry B
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Post by nakifans on Dec 4, 2023 1:58:58 GMT 12
Well written article Barry B.
I think you have hit the nail on the head, some cars didn't turn up and others did and only after vehicle's scrutineered, gear checked and at final hurdle told not allowed to compete
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While this may seem only of little significance being a N I Super Saloon Championship imagine if it was NZ Super Stock Title meeting and same percentage of cars got turned away due to meeting criteria not been meet.
Be interesting if those whose only input to the discussion is driver bashing ,if same criteria would apply then.
Sure drivers not Lily white and innocent regarding not meeting rule requirement and they haven't claimed to be.
The original question still remains unanswered, how did it get to this stage.
When drivers seek clearance to compete in championship meeting wouldn't home track who they registered to and pay SNZ fees have some obligation to say we haven't completed enough meetings for you to meet requirements.
Driver bashers will say next have too wipe their bottoms
It must be pointed out two of the affected cars are M cars
Hopefully the Ivory Tower of regulations find time when not issuing out penalties to look into this matter.
Both competitors and spectators short changed.
When fuel cost for one of the competitors tow vehicle was in region of $500 just to sit in stands, $40 for pay per view may be the attractive option if unsure your guaranteed slot on grid even after entry accepted.
Midway been absent from these pages for a few weeks, is he applying for Regional Growth Fund for his Northern Competitors to compete thru out the country.
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Post by Saloon29s on Dec 4, 2023 5:51:02 GMT 12
Some ill-informed comments in both this thread and the other one on the same topic.
A couple of points to clarify:
Clearances are no longer required for National Titles.
A track or club has no easy way of knowing if their competitors are compliant with the criteria as even if they have suffered rainouts, a competitor may have met the criteria by racing elsewhere.
The host track of an event has no easy way of knowing if the entrants are complaint, or really no way at all.
The competitor knows for sure if they meet the criteria or not when they enter, or if they will meet by the time of the event, ultimately they should be responsible.
If drivers or clubs aren't happy with the criteria requirements, just submit a motion for the AGM so it can be discussed and voted on. It's all that has to be done.
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Post by mod46c on Dec 4, 2023 6:06:32 GMT 12
Well written article Barry B. I think you have hit the nail on the head, some cars didn't turn up and others did and only after vehicle's scrutineered, gear checked and at final hurdle told not allowed to compete . While this may seem only of little significance being a N I Super Saloon Championship imagine if it was NZ Super Stock Title meeting and same percentage of cars got turned away due to meeting criteria not been meet. Be interesting if those whose only input to the discussion is driver bashing ,if same criteria would apply then. Sure drivers not Lily white and innocent regarding not meeting rule requirement and they haven't claimed to be. The original question still remains unanswered, how did it get to this stage. When drivers seek clearance to compete in championship meeting wouldn't home track who they registered to and pay SNZ fees have some obligation to say we haven't completed enough meetings for you to meet requirements. Driver bashers will say next have too wipe their bottoms It must be pointed out two of the affected cars are M cars Hopefully the Ivory Tower of regulations find time when not issuing out penalties to look into this matter. Both competitors and spectators short changed. When fuel cost for one of the competitors tow vehicle was in region of $500 just to sit in stands, $40 for pay per view may be the attractive option if unsure your guaranteed slot on grid even after entry accepted. Midway been absent from these pages for a few weeks, is he applying for Regional Growth Fund for his Northern Competitors to compete thru out the country. Suspect trying to run a SNZ championship prior to Xmas is a bit risky, not a lot of meetings for competitors to get eligible |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Dec 4, 2023 8:31:51 GMT 12
Well written article Barry B. I think you have hit the nail on the head, some cars didn't turn up and others did and only after vehicle's scrutineered, gear checked and at final hurdle told not allowed to compete . While this may seem only of little significance being a N I Super Saloon Championship imagine if it was NZ Super Stock Title meeting and same percentage of cars got turned away due to meeting criteria not been meet. Be interesting if those whose only input to the discussion is driver bashing ,if same criteria would apply then. Sure drivers not Lily white and innocent regarding not meeting rule requirement and they haven't claimed to be. The original question still remains unanswered, how did it get to this stage. When drivers seek clearance to compete in championship meeting wouldn't home track who they registered to and pay SNZ fees have some obligation to say we haven't completed enough meetings for you to meet requirements. Driver bashers will say next have too wipe their bottoms It must be pointed out two of the affected cars are M cars Hopefully the Ivory Tower of regulations find time when not issuing out penalties to look into this matter. Both competitors and spectators short changed. When fuel cost for one of the competitors tow vehicle was in region of $500 just to sit in stands, $40 for pay per view may be the attractive option if unsure your guaranteed slot on grid even after entry accepted. Midway been absent from these pages for a few weeks, is he applying for Regional Growth Fund for his Northern Competitors to compete thru out the country. Shosh he might come back 😳🙂 |
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