LS1 Sprintcars (Read 1,812 times)

[percy]

I see the Waikaraka calendar has a number of nights with this class scheduled.

Anyone have any info on this seemingly new class and which drivers are racing?

[hienekenno1]

Apparently they are like six shooters but will have v8s in them,i suppose they will sound alright and be interesting if they take off or not,watching 4 or 5 cars going around will quickly turn into a hot dog class🙂

[accobra]

Could be a Chance for drivers to move up from Six Shooters if takes off.

[Helios]

No disrespect intended, but let's face it, a V8 sounds way better than a V6. At least we're not talking EV's!
The worry would be that another class would further dilute the existing ones

[bikeboy]

this motor was rejected in the rule changes for 6 shooters, with them getting closer to having the numbers to have a national class, is it really a good idea to split them up?

(the question if 6 shooters would keep growing as a national class is another question)

[artg]

There is a class called LS1 Sprintcars racing in Western Australia. According to their Facebook page, the chassis is a full spec chassis including the top wing using a V8 commodore engine.

[orapiuwharf]

I think if we are going to go ahead just follow the USA 360 Winged rules or  even the Australian rules not make our own. Ditch the Six Shooters. Make them a watchable class. Currently they let us have time to go and get food / or Toilet. I love modifieds although doing this may be the future with so few Modifieds currently racing.

[The Observer]

Last I heard the numbers were about 10:1 compared to 6 Shooters - as in heaps more 6 shooters.

Not convinced another addition of a new class is beneficial to anyone really.

[Jason109]

Jul 27, 2024 22:01:26 GMT 12 The Observer said:

Last I heard the numbers were about 10:1 compared to 6 Shooters - as in heaps more 6 shooters.

Not convinced another addition of a new class is beneficial to anyone really.

This is not a 'new' class. They will run with the V6 cars. The wingless class is approaching a critical point in its future. Currently, the class uses engines that went out of production 30 years ago. An alternative is needed to secure a long term future.

The Auckland promotion believes a V8 option will help the class from a promotional standpoint as well as adding another engine option, increasing the pool of available engines. Parity between the V6 and V8 can be achieved with restrictions on the V8.

As with anything there are positives and negatives and self interest could be claimed on both sides of the issue, and there will never be 100% agreement among all parties.

As a side point the availability of engines and parts is going to become a challenge for other classes notably Stockcars and Ministocks in the very near future. Hopefully the SNZ board will rwalise this before it's too late. Ultimately the way the system works anyone can propose a rule. Anyone can submit feedback on a rule, but the board approves or denies the rule. It could have the full support of competitors, and the board can deny it. Conversely, a rule could have very little support and be passed.

[midway]

Jul 28, 2024 8:30:42 GMT 12 Jason109 said:

Jul 27, 2024 22:01:26 GMT 12 The Observer said:

Last I heard the numbers were about 10:1 compared to 6 Shooters - as in heaps more 6 shooters.

Not convinced another addition of a new class is beneficial to anyone really.

This is not a 'new' class. They will run with the V6 cars. The wingless class is approaching a critical point in its future. Currently, the class uses engines that went out of production 30 years ago. An alternative is needed to secure a long term future.

The Auckland promotion believes a V8 option will help the class from a promotional standpoint as well as adding another engine option, increasing the pool of available engines. Parity between the V6 and V8 can be achieved with restrictions on the V8.

As with anything there are positives and negatives and self interest could be claimed on both sides of the issue, and there will never be 100% agreement among all parties.

As a side point the availability of engines and parts is going to become a challenge for other classes notably Stockcars and Ministocks in the very near future. Hopefully the SNZ board will rwalise this before it's too late. Ultimately the way the system works anyone can propose a rule. Anyone can submit feedback on a rule, but the board approves or denies the rule. It could have the full support of competitors, and the board can deny it. Conversely, a rule could have very little support and be passed.

How is it that the board of directers in SNZ ALLOWS TO DEFINE ONE PROMOTION ,OR PROMOTER ,the right to run these v8,s against the v6 version in the same class ..This type of allowance just escalates and before long regulations and rules will be hard to administer with the board in total disaray more than likely collapse ,with a new circus in the making perhaps ..

[graemeh]

Jul 28, 2024 13:49:59 GMT 12 midway said:

Jul 28, 2024 8:30:42 GMT 12 Jason109 said:

This is not a 'new' class. They will run with the V6 cars. The wingless class is approaching a critical point in its future. Currently, the class uses engines that went out of production 30 years ago. An alternative is needed to secure a long term future.

The Auckland promotion believes a V8 option will help the class from a promotional standpoint as well as adding another engine option, increasing the pool of available engines. Parity between the V6 and V8 can be achieved with restrictions on the V8.

As with anything there are positives and negatives and self interest could be claimed on both sides of the issue, and there will never be 100% agreement among all parties.

As a side point the availability of engines and parts is going to become a challenge for other classes notably Stockcars and Ministocks in the very near future. Hopefully the SNZ board will rwalise this before it's too late. Ultimately the way the system works anyone can propose a rule. Anyone can submit feedback on a rule, but the board approves or denies the rule. It could have the full support of competitors, and the board can deny it. Conversely, a rule could have very little support and be passed.

How is it that the board of directers in SNZ ALLOWS TO DEFINE ONE PROMOTION ,OR PROMOTER ,the right to run these v8,s against the v6 version in the same class ..This type of allowance just escalates and before long regulations and rules will be hard to administer with the board in total disaray more than likely collapse ,with a new circus in the making perhaps ..

I'm guessing the following 2 rules cover what they are proposing:

M3-3 Classes Running Together
M3-3-1 Different classes can run together, providing the vehicles are of a similar nature.
M3-3-2 Agreement to do this must be in the form of a unanimous decision between:-
(i) the competitors in the classes concerned
(ii) the track promotion
(iii) permission being received from the SNZ Office.

M1-5 Local Classes
M1-5-1 A licensed track can apply to the SNZ Office to contract a Local class.
M1-5-2 Technical specifications and racing rules are to be submitted to the Directors for approval.

[epmurc]

Just to quickly touch on the tangent, Waikaraka has run two separate classes in the same race many times, namely Saloons and Super Saloons.

Back to the original topic though.......
Neil Hunnibel has been running a V8 Wingless at Waikaraka on and off for the last couple of seasons. Yes it has more power than a 6 Shooter and most certainly sounds better, but without the aerodynamics of a Modified or a Sprintcar, the NZ tracks in general just aren't big/wide enough for them to really get the advantage of the extra power.
The car ran a few hot laps with a Modified one night and very quickly got left well behind. There's already too many SNZ classes and adding another one that's really not going to add anything to the sport is just further diluting an already diminishing competitor pool.

[mod46c]

Jul 26, 2024 17:30:36 GMT 12 artg said:

There is a class called LS1 Sprintcars racing in Western Australia. According to their Facebook page, the chassis is a full spec chassis including the top wing using a V8 commodore engine.

Also a similar class runs in South West Victoria, and likely South Australia, replace 410 with commodore LS engine and off you go (reputably north of 70 cars 18 months after first thought of).
As an aside I not sure how a 6 shooter could have 8 cylinder's wouldn't that be an 8 shooter?

[nerfbar23]

How is this LS version sustainable for the future as LS engines are not as common still to this day as 3.8's are.
Personally the focal point that needs to be looked at here is engine choices in terms of engines produced and there availability.

[mod46c]

Jul 30, 2024 14:52:55 GMT 12 nerfbar23 said:

How is this LS version sustainable for the future as LS engines are not as common still to this day as 3.8's are.
Personally the focal point that needs to be looked at here is engine choices in terms of engines produced and there availability.

Good point the LS family ceased production some time ago so effectively it is also an obsolete engine option