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Post by rot on May 27, 2008 17:12:58 GMT 12
spot on DTN1
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 27, 2008 21:36:07 GMT 12
saloons are no longer what the creater (jumbo) inteaded. my car was no super fast car but on the write day it could hall a$$. even pass a the few drivers. it didnt even cost 10grand to build my car from scratch
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on May 27, 2008 22:29:15 GMT 12
saloons are no longer what the creater (jumbo) inteaded. my car was no super fast car but on the write day it could hall a$$. even pass a the few drivers. it didnt even cost 10grand to build my car from scratch I'm not sure how the present day 'saloon' fails to meet the original expectations of the class, being, I think, a lower cost option of saloon racing as compared to 'super saloons'. As Daniel says, he was able to participate, pass a few, for less than $10k. When the Ltd Saloon class was first formed, did the production class exist? |
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Post by 777d on May 27, 2008 22:39:02 GMT 12
saloons are no longer what the creater (jumbo) inteaded. my car was no super fast car but on the write day it could hall a$$. even pass a the few drivers. it didnt even cost 10grand to build my car from scratch I'm not sure how the present day 'saloon' fails to meet the original expectations of the class, being, I think, a lower cost option of saloon racing as compared to 'super saloons'. As Daniel says, he was able to participate, pass a few, for less than $10k. When the Ltd Saloon class was first formed, did the production class exist? yes it did but not many tracks ran them invercargill was one of the first places to adopt the class (saloon) remember the preludes? well they were running productions before then and i suspect that dunedin were as well i know that the glen definitely were running a production class but in saying this they were prob run under the then saloon (super) rules and licensing but the intent of the class has been there long before jumbo started the low budget class that has now become the 30 odd grand class that saloons is now |
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Post by busterbell on May 27, 2008 23:17:38 GMT 12
reminds me of the time when paul wade (85h superstock)wheeled out his $30,000 stockcar in the early ninetys and the horror and shock people had then. there will always be the cheque book racers, was then, is now, and will be in the future. i will always be more impressed with the budget racer that does well than the wealthy dude out front winning races all the time. i think we always back the underdog dont we??   |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on May 28, 2008 0:08:37 GMT 12
... the low budget class that has now become the 30 odd grand class that saloons is now I think some tend to focus on the exceptions rather than the rule. The majority of saloons can be purchased for considerably less than $30,000. As Daniel stated, his own car, less than $10,000.oo, competitive on many tracks, inexpensive to operate and reliable! Find me a super saloon that can achieve the same at the same cost !! |
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Post by 69g on May 28, 2008 15:32:28 GMT 12
Unlike pro Rugby and other sports there is no cap on what you can spend, so if you got it why not spend it i spose, cant take it with you canya, i think there are saloons around that have had even more than $38500 spent on them ,you can pay that for a decent engine
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 28, 2008 15:44:37 GMT 12
my uncle built a brand new for $13grand. all the good bits exept a carb and dizzy. so another grand and thats a complete motor brand new. 1 thing the more budget guys have a disadvantage on is tyres. my car never saw a brand new tyre. that yellow corvette from welly was built by my dad and jumbo. was the fastest salooncar in hb for 3years and he sold that for 10grand with trailer. mind u that was 7years ago. the price to pay for a saloon is all about running gear qc diff ect. you can build a car for under 15 easy but it probly wouldnt have all the go fast bits.the main thing to go fast in a saloon is to get what power you do have to the ground and a decent setup
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 28, 2008 15:49:54 GMT 12
I'm not sure how the present day 'saloon' fails to meet the original expectations of the class
i member saloons having the name LIMITED SALOONS aint much that are limited on them now tho only a few diffrences 2 a super. gbox on back of motor. c inches. and roller cams and injection. alloy shocks and rod ends. rr tyre. and supers run qc gearbox dont they?
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Post by Roger Ex 35A on May 28, 2008 15:58:42 GMT 12
the main thing to go fast in a saloon is to get what power you do have to the ground and a decent setup And you forgot one thing  , a talented driver like "Mr Towgood" |
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 28, 2008 16:04:58 GMT 12
brett mcclymont i rather watch. the skinny of SALOON cars
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Post by 69g on May 28, 2008 16:44:43 GMT 12
I'm not sure how the present day 'saloon' fails to meet the original expectations of the class i member saloons having the name LIMITED SALOONS aint much that are limited on them now tho only a few diffrences 2 a super. gbox on back of motor. c inches. and roller cams and injection. alloy shocks and rod ends. rr tyre. and supers run qc gearbox dont they? There called a bertbox and pretty sure saloons can use them to just not midmount them, a saloon engine is very resticted compared to a super and this can make it more expensive to get good HP out of them, a super engine is more or less a sprint car engine but with a cast iron block and also the cylinder heads must retain factory valve angle you can buy a crate engine from the us 410ci with carby putting out around 650 to 750 hp for around $18kUS just check out EBAY all depends on how deep your pokets are, as to how much you want to spend on a race car but basiclly there are endless amounts of thing you can spend your cash on, BUT!!! if you can beat a big dollar car in your budget home built with morris comiercal diff and worsley steering rack then you are really THE MAN just like Mr Togood |
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Post by 777d on May 28, 2008 19:32:35 GMT 12
then you are really THE MAN just like Mr Togood brown nose hahahahahaha |
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Post by porry41 on May 28, 2008 22:48:38 GMT 12
when i first got my commodore was a super with a 430 motor we pulled out that motor did a few mods to car to bring it to ltd we put in a 360 motor out of Johnny 5 drag car before he got into speedway this motor produced more hp than the 430 our problem was we couldn't hook up untold wheel spin & worn tyres etc & was going no were .we pulled out that motor after 2 seasons & put in a BASIC stock 350 with cam 4 barrel & Mallory that was it no head mods no nothing guess wot we started getting places even carrying the flag the thing was we had drive sure we went through a few 500 buck engines but we were getting there . cars with original gear on board commercial diffs .p/g g/boxes . down power motors . are still blowing away these 40k wiz bangers .another point while these guys are polishing there cars to make them go faster .us other fellas were around the back with the hip flask ;D burp
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Post by 69g on May 29, 2008 13:42:42 GMT 12
when i first got my commodore was a super with a 430 motor we pulled out that motor did a few mods to car to bring it to ltd we put in a 360 motor out of Johnny 5 drag car before he got into speedway this motor produced more hp than the 430 our problem was we couldn't hook up untold wheel spin & worn tyres etc & was going no were .we pulled out that motor after 2 seasons & put in a BASIC stock 350 with cam 4 barrel & Mallory that was it no head mods no nothing guess wot we started getting places even carrying the flag the thing was we had drive sure we went through a few 500 buck engines but we were getting there . cars with original gear on board commercial diffs .p/g g/boxes . down power motors . are still blowing away these 40k wiz bangers .another point while these guys are polishing there cars to make them go faster .us other fellas were around the back with the hip flask ;D burp Sounds like you had a problem with your organic navigational unit |
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Post by 777d on May 29, 2008 19:48:43 GMT 12
when i first got my commodore was a super with a 430 motor we pulled out that motor did a few mods to car to bring it to ltd we put in a 360 motor out of Johnny 5 drag car before he got into speedway this motor produced more hp than the 430 our problem was we couldn't hook up untold wheel spin & worn tyres etc & was going no were .we pulled out that motor after 2 seasons & put in a BASIC stock 350 with cam 4 barrel & Mallory that was it no head mods no nothing guess wot we started getting places even carrying the flag the thing was we had drive sure we went through a few 500 buck engines but we were getting there . cars with original gear on board commercial diffs .p/g g/boxes . down power motors . are still blowing away these 40k wiz bangers .another point while these guys are polishing there cars to make them go faster .us other fellas were around the back with the hip flask ;D burp this is what the class was about cheap cars with car diffs and car suspension none of the expensive racing equipment (quick changes, wide 5s, expensive motors etc) the class was a low budget class for guys that could not afford to have a super but now they are almost as expensive |
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 29, 2008 20:34:32 GMT 12
that they are tui. reason for selling mine was the cost to be competitive. my last year i had 2 buy new carb new dizzy and inlet manifold just to keep up with the mid pack racers. and as u said bout parts we had holden hubs and stubs. mazda 323 steering rack. and a nissan diff. cant get more standed than that
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Post by porry41 on May 29, 2008 21:51:12 GMT 12
yep my organic unit is a problem  |
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Post by tank11 on May 30, 2008 8:01:32 GMT 12
Only a problem when it's not full, Mr P. ;D ;D
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Post by 64bdannidittmer on May 30, 2008 17:19:29 GMT 12
mind you if a ministock can sell for 11k than 39500 is cheap for a real car lol  |
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, a talented driver like "Mr Towgood" 
