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Post by thegreenhornet on Nov 17, 2008 16:30:37 GMT 12
Just bringing it to everyones attention that at Palmy's 15th Nov meeting, a number of cars were measured and found to have there front bumper to the front crankshaft pulley distance more/less than the 650mm distance as specified in the plans. It was then put in there log books to move there engines forward or back wards to comply. The head scrutineers interpretation of the rule book was that there is no plus or minus 25mm tolerance with this measurement and that the front bumper to front pulley measurement had to be EXACTLY 650mm.
The main problem with this being, is that you cannot build anything to an exact measure, and you certainly cannot measure it with a tape measure. I'm a qualified Fitter/Turner and work with tight tolerances, but we always have some sort of tolerance to work to.
I recommend to those cars affected (IE. noted in there log book) to contact SNZ or Marty Jones (PN) before chopping up your cars, they maybe okay as they are.
However those cars that measure outside 625-675mm, you will have to rectify to comply.
The Green Hornet ;D
p.s. I am not a SNZ official or Scrutineer
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Post by James98b on Nov 17, 2008 19:17:07 GMT 12
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Post by carwrecker on Nov 17, 2008 21:34:02 GMT 12
Yes well done Hornet for bringing this matter to everyones attention.
As you have suggested it would be better for anybody whose engine is within the 25mm tolerance either way not to cut and remount at this stage .
I would hope to have a resolution to this problem by this time on Wednesday.
Anybody who has taken the time to contact either myself or the SNZ office will get a responce in writing .
By the way will you be in the drivers seat of the Rees stockcar this week or is there a vacancy for an old timer to have a pedal
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Post by James98b on Nov 18, 2008 17:27:55 GMT 12
Just got an email saying that the 25mm tolerance is allowed. Wasted pretty much 2 days moving the motor forward to find out the scruitineer didnt know what he was talking about? cheers palmy
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Post by caleb76p on Nov 18, 2008 17:50:43 GMT 12
the scrutineerers dont know how to measure. they said i had to move the bumper back 20mm, i measured it today and it only needs to be moved back 5mm, its pointless.
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Post by thegreenhornet on Nov 18, 2008 17:55:21 GMT 12
Sorry to hear that James98b, figure out how many hours it took you, times it by say $40 and send it to the scrutineer responsible  I think, maybe next time there's a scrutineering blitz on, the parties involved may need to clarify with Marty Jones (ministock technical rep), and get there facts right. Otherwise people like poor old James98b, will spend unnecessary time, money and stress for nothing. The Green Hornet ;D P.s. Marty, you will have to ask your old mate Pete, yourself lol. You could get my Superstock going and have a pedal in that.  |
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Post by RevXS on Nov 18, 2008 19:04:49 GMT 12
Tell me about it,the other week they told me my wheelbase was out 45mm,Then only to goto the other side and tell me it was fine,Both sides would have been fine if they had bothered to check to see the wheels were straight! the scrutineerers dont know how to measure. they said i had to move the bumper back 20mm, i measured it today and it only needs to be moved back 5mm, its pointless. |
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Post by hermo on Nov 18, 2008 19:56:11 GMT 12
Dont be too hard on the scrutineers people they are only doing what they are told by their bosses (SNZ). A email to the CEO and a small fee for a few phone calls was what was needed for sanity to be restored. Hopefully this is the last of this sort of problem, YEAH RIGHT.
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Post by carwrecker on Nov 18, 2008 21:07:56 GMT 12
It is unfortunate that not all of our people get it rite all of the time.
And obviousley for that SNZ does need to take the blame.
However vehicle checkers at some tracks each week tend to focus on a particular issue while conducting the normal pre meetng safety check.
I understand that on some of the vehicles checked the engines were up to 100mm out of position .
The same as when the vehicles checkers at Hawkes Bay several weeks ago found on some vehicles that the wheelbase was up to 100mm short.
To say that SNZ vehicle checkers dont dont know how to measure is in my opinion a rather imature and pointless statement to make.
It is hard enough for some tracks to get volenteers to do some of these jobs .
Giving those people grief for doing what is a thankless task will in no way benefit the sport
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Post by Rusty on Nov 18, 2008 21:25:10 GMT 12
What happened to the 25mm engine mounting rules could be 25mm offset and 25mm forward or back.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Nov 18, 2008 22:46:11 GMT 12
Too late lol |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Nov 18, 2008 22:49:06 GMT 12
Sorry to hear that James98b, figure out how many hours it took you, times it by say $40 and send it to the scrutineer responsible I think, maybe next time there's a scrutineering blitz on, the parties involved may need to clarify with Marty Jones (ministock technical rep), and get there facts right. Otherwise people like poor old James98b, will spend unnecessary time, money and stress for nothing. The Green Hornet ;D P.s. Marty, you will have to ask your old mate Pete, yourself lol. You could get my Superstock going and have a pedal in that. Superstock? tell me more.... |
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Nov 19, 2008 4:17:35 GMT 12
Sorry to hear that James98b, figure out how many hours it took you, times it by say $40 and send it to the scrutineer responsible I think, maybe next time there's a scrutineering blitz on, the parties involved may need to clarify with Marty Jones (ministock technical rep), and get there facts right. Otherwise people like poor old James98b, will spend unnecessary time, money and stress for nothing. The Green Hornet ;D P.s. Marty, you will have to ask your old mate Pete, yourself lol. You could get my Superstock going and have a pedal in that. Superstock? tell me more.... he has the ex mytton fowler ford car had it for a couple of years now |
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Post by Loopy on Nov 22, 2008 4:27:55 GMT 12
8-)JUST REMEMBER THE GODS OF SNZ ARE 0 OR JACK nuts AT A MEETING! YOU CAN ASK FOR THERE ADVISE BUT DON'T THINK ITS LAW THE OFFICIALS ON THE DAY ARE !!!
old gray eyes.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Nov 22, 2008 20:30:53 GMT 12
8-)JUST REMEMBER THE GODS OF SNZ ARE 0 OR JACK nuts AT A MEETING! YOU CAN ASK FOR THERE ADVISE BUT DON'T THINK ITS LAW THE OFFICIALS ON THE DAY ARE !!! old gray eyes. Stop shouting you loopy old fart you are hurting my hearing aids! |
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