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Post by knownotmuch on Dec 8, 2008 9:58:05 GMT 12
After being rather impressed with the Manawatu Steelers on Saturday night I would think a rethink by Palmy selectors would be on the cards. Personally I would keep the Steelers line up, somehow work Gary Davis and Peter Rees into the line up. That would release the only other Puma from Saturday I thought performed, Brett Lloyd, to rejoin the Gladiators for the NZ teams.
What do you think? It's been a few years since the Puma's have looked like winning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 10:18:25 GMT 12
It's a good point, and I'm glad I'm not the one that has to make these decisions!
If Gary Parkes is involved, I trust his experience and he will have reasons for his eventual selections. The Panthers were on a losing streak until his involvement as manager, and since then they've won 3 Palmy & Auckland teams champs on the trot.
The Steelers did look good, although they were walloped vs Te Marua. The Pumas were their own worst enemy at times, tangling with each other.
Bear in mind the Pumas beat the Young Guns last season in a one-off teams race in Palmy, then under performed at NZ's and then won the 4-way Stockcar Teams Invasion in Palmy.
So I think luck does play a part, and they certainly still could've beaten the Steelers on the weekend. Pay no attention to the naysayers posting one line pot shots. Some form of combination of the strongest from each team would be best.
The Young Guns strength over the years is that any of their team members can either block or run, as good as the best of them. Same as the Panthers really. One-dimensional drivers can make a team predictable.
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Post by holdenrule on Dec 8, 2008 10:51:50 GMT 12
the pumas also went to wellys and beat a b team last season.
id keep the same puma line up but add rees and Locke and leave out Shane Simpson and put frear as 6th driver.
thats just me.
and to be honest not taking a pot shot at the steelers but they wud have been stuffed with out Locke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 10:55:22 GMT 12
Just a quick recap from memory, without having analysed the video...  Peter Locke was on fire in the running role for the Steelers, but was taken care of by Welly. Rob Mason also ran well under the radar. Gareth Edwards was gutsy as for a new driver, took many hits and kept trucking when he was the last car going in the final - could be an asset with more experience. Ron Tye blocked well. I thought Brett Lloyd and Bevan Humphrey were gutsy for the Pumas. Humphrey was running well, but his front wheels seemed to be damaged easily, even then still put in some hits. Lloyd put in some good hits also. Wilson blocked ok. Not to trivialise the effort the rest of the drivers put in to their teams performance, but I thought those mentioned above stood out. However, blockers from both teams seem to get hung up battling with opposition blockers. All they really need to do is protect their own runners more, and concentrate their attention on the other teams runners, not so much on wasting a car that is several laps down. Tye seems to be the best example of a classic blocker round here at the moment. But the Young Guns and Panthers, two of the most successful teams of recent times, seem to have no designated blockers. So is a straight-out blocker still needed, if they cant run also? |
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Post by alf44 on Dec 8, 2008 11:04:02 GMT 12
Im with you Basil, I think all cars/drivers should be able to do both as and when required. When a race changes they need to be able to change roles from blocker to runner, you can't rely on one or even two cars to run cause funny things happen when teams racing! ;D And Peter Locke was on fire Saturday night (makes a change from the exhaust manifolds  ) |
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Post by King James on Dec 8, 2008 11:13:52 GMT 12
Its hard to pick a team from the two teams, but the Puma's were far from impressive.
My top 6 so far
4p Scooter
10p Rees
31p Davis
44p Locke
54p Humphries
67p Wilson
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Dec 8, 2008 11:22:31 GMT 12
yea but can they all get along.
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Post by King James on Dec 8, 2008 11:48:38 GMT 12
yea but can they all get along. No doubt there is a chip on a couple of shoulders. But for regional pride, you would hope that they can swallow there ego's to form a team worthy. |
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Post by ex tank68p on Dec 8, 2008 11:53:42 GMT 12
Its hard to pick a team from the two teams, but the Puma's were far from impressive. My top 6 so far 4p Scooter 10p Rees 31p Davis 44p Locke 54p Humphries 67p Wilson remove wilson and put ron tye in |
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Post by Shells on Dec 8, 2008 15:22:30 GMT 12
I agree with Basil and tank 68p it is time to select a new manager & whoever selects the team needs to select a team that will work together & they would be foolish not to put Ron Tye in there he has more than proved he can dish it out.
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Dec 8, 2008 16:12:26 GMT 12
my team would be
4p Scooter
11p Rees
31p Davis
44p Locke
92p Bretto
99p Tye
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Post by worldno1 on Dec 8, 2008 16:46:41 GMT 12
ok guys this is what i think, but keep in mind i am one of them key board drivers as well lol the 2nd team or b team to the main team i think will always win, they have nothing to lose, they will always have no pressure to win against the a team, look what happened in huntly with the select team i think that the team was spot on on saturday with giving the young guys a shot at teams race, good to get them doing it now than to get to welly and chocking(so to speak) with rees away and im sure he will be up for selection for teams in welly, he will bring a lot to the team and a lot to offer to the young guys simpson might be out for some time??? i dont know, if so then replace him with the guys proforming in the b team with the likes of tye and scooter and so on it was the first time together on saturday for the pumas i believe and were unlucky with the block cars missing there target, they come home second third and forth though i think?(hawksbay) lost to steelers and took to the wanganui team a team yes does need a team that can do both i believe, run and block, i was watching the welly guys and they all seam to take off at the start with the first couple of cars to get attention or taken out become there block cars, the rest carry on to run, they dont do any suacide dives or anything, they seam to look after there cars and all can drive off the track( not robo tho) at the end they just spin them up or hold them up, slow them down to there speed i dont know, im just a keyboard racer too, i might just be talking a lot of sh$t but hey lol all good no harm done cheers worldno1 |
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Post by ex tank68p on Dec 8, 2008 17:01:44 GMT 12
palmy only get to take one team down to welly so why not take the best so we can bring it back home and leave the younger guys to do the smaller teams races, im sure that if palmy doesnt take these guys then maybe another track will |
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Post by stockmad on Dec 8, 2008 17:19:58 GMT 12
palmy should bring there best down to welly so then they can bring them back nextyear to the title stays in welly ;D
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Post by Geoff public on Dec 8, 2008 18:37:25 GMT 12
Posted by worldno1 on Today at 16:46 the 2nd team or b team to the main team i think will always win, they have nothing to lose, they will always have no pressure to win against the a team, look what happened in huntly with the select team
While I understand the point you are trying to make I feel your example of the select team is poor. Billy, Carlos & Ron are vastly experienced both individually & in teams racing & to say they won because of no pressure sells their achievement short. As Billy & Carlos stated they were retiring from teams racing at the end of the meeting I could not say whether they were there to enjoy or go out with a win. I would suspect both. That may have eased the pressure but it was not why they won.
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Post by craigsvo on Dec 8, 2008 18:43:29 GMT 12
i think leave the team as it is replace gorge with rees and it changes the whole team it just the same as a rugby team can change if there captin gets sent off.
but thats only my view
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Post by Stumo on Dec 8, 2008 20:31:20 GMT 12
Id have to go with...
4p Scooter McIntosh
11p Pete Rees
31p Gary Davis
44p Peter Locke
92p Brett Loyd
99p Ron Tye
6th Driver - 67p Alec "Chuck" Wilson
For me the 5th driver is a toss up between Alec and Brett.
Its going to be a tough decision for the Selectors with just over 10 drivers to pick from... George Frear, Shane Simpson and Bevan Humphrey are all in the mix and even Rob Mason is making his mark but the decision is harder to make only 3 weeks out, if there had been more teams races for the PN boys then id say a final team wouldn't be as hard to pick?
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Post by craige on Dec 8, 2008 20:57:58 GMT 12
yea but can they all get along. i for one know that ron tye will more than likely try and smash mr rees etc when at home regan.BUT when hes out of town racing henever ever hits another own car from the track where he is contracted and never has and never will |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 8, 2008 23:24:54 GMT 12
4p Scooter McIntosh
11p Pete Rees
31p Gary Davis
44p Peter Locke
67p Alec Wilson
92p Brett Loyd
99p Ron Tye
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Dec 9, 2008 7:50:09 GMT 12
yea but can they all get along. i for one know that ron tye will more than likely try and smash mr rees etc when at home regan.BUT when hes out of town racing henever ever hits another own car from the track where he is contracted and never has and never will its not hitting there own cars i just remebered 2 seasons ago when they lost on the first nite and never turned up the second nite and we all herad things werent to happy.I think to work as a team you all must get on and talk to each other. |
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