Dollansky Disqualified from AMAIN? (Read 2,097 times)

[Aaron Drever]

News from Palmerston North Speedway is that the Crowd Pleaser has been disqualifed from the AMAIN Feature where he was second behind Logan......

SCW you were there where is the update!

[BarryB]

Read the General Board Aaron, although I'm sure you probably already have. Yes, he was DQ'd, for working on the car under a caution. Allowed in the US apparently, but not here.

[Aaron Drever]

Barry,

You will remember the Best of the Outlaws 06, where Sammy Rolled got out of his car and then got back in and going again. Not allowed under SNZ rules but under outlaw rules ok? Really should SNZ allowed this as these are international drivers, is it time we adopted International rules especailly if you are running an International format?

[Stevo]

But this series is not an Outlaw series is it, it's an inernational series featuring Outlaw drivers. The other difference I found interesting is what happens following a caution - in the US if you stop for any reason, including avoiding someone else's crash, you go to the back. Here, if you spin or stop to avoid someone else, but you weren't involved in the original incident, you restart in your original spot.
Regarding the Dollansky case, had it been explained to them that there was no working on cars under stoppages? If not, then you might think he's been hard done by.

[YankeeClipper10H]

"When in Rome do as the Romans do"

Racing in NZ is under NZ rules.

I bet they know the rules now!!!!!!!

What is told to the drivers at the "Drivers Briefing" before the start of each meeting?

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2008 15:29:54 GMT 12 YankeeClipper10H said:

"When in Rome do as the Romans do"

Apparently Saldana was approached by his crew during the caution, and he told them to go away.

Bad luck for Dollansky, as Yankee just pointed out, knowing the rules a meeting is being run under paid off for Saldana.

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2008 11:46:11 GMT 12 Aaron Drever said:

You will remember the Best of the Outlaws 06, where Sammy Rolled got out of his car and then got back in and going again. Not allowed under SNZ rules but under outlaw rules ok? Really should SNZ allowed this as these are international drivers, is it time we adopted International rules especailly if you are running an International format?

Repairs ARE allowed on a red light, but not on a yellow caution.

[woodart]

Dec 22, 2008 15:53:21 GMT 12 @basil said:

Dec 22, 2008 11:46:11 GMT 12 Aaron Drever said:

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Repairs ARE allowed on a red light, but not on a yellow caution.

.. hard to work on a sprinter under a yellow light basil unless you can run at 30kph and turn bolts at the same time.! ;D

[Stevo]

Woodart, Dollansky stopped as a result of the incident while those not involved circulated under yellow. His crew worked on the car prior to him being pushed off for a restart.

[lustee]

they actually didnt do any work on the car they checked to see if the steering arm was broken but still the fact that they touched the car is what it is over ..more of a safety issue really he was worried it may have come off into the crowd ..had it been broken he would have retired to the in field ...his main concern was that he was allowed to do the final 25 laps instead of being taken off at the time of the incident ..but he still put on a good show and is a pleasure to watch

[Deleted]

Frankly Logan, Dollansky and Saldana all did a great job of abruptly screeching to a halt in order to avoid smashing into the three tail enders who had spun out.

Perhaps the vast gulf between the skilled US outlaws pilots compared with some of our inexperienced local drivers is still too great for them all to be in the same race.

Discouraged Dollansky stated, "That all but takes us out of the International Point Championship."

Sorry about that chief Ron!

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2008 19:18:07 GMT 12 Stevo said:

Woodart, Dollansky stopped as a result of the incident while those not involved circulated under yellow. His crew worked on the car prior to him being pushed off for a restart.

So.... The rest of the field should have been DQ'd for passing Dollansky under yellows then!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wotta ya reckon Woodart, or should the Americians just have been DQ'd for talkin funny ;D

[HRC]

Dec 22, 2008 21:51:37 GMT 12 @pb said:

Frankly Logan, Dollansky and Saldana all did a great job of abruptly screeching to a halt in order to avoid smashing into the three tail enders who had spun out.

come on Phil tell it how it was the three tail enders still on the lead lap (all be it just dam magneto) also had to take evasive action to try and stop after the 57m and the car with totalspan on the wing spun up from 12 th and 13th place the said carnage was not caused by the three tail enders we just ended up in it with the dust it was sometimes hard to see where you were especialy durring the first 5 to 6 laps when the traffic was still together
anyway thats all history now its off to Western Springs on the 26th with a brand new Magneto that hopefully will see our car run clean until the end of the season (dam sick of the lack of performance because of the ignition breaking down hard enough driving these things when the engines running right twice as hard with no throttle response)
Cheers Martin Halcrow Sprintcar 24W

[Abb0]

Dec 22, 2008 12:25:28 GMT 12 Stevo said:

But this series is not an Outlaw series is it, it's an inernational series featuring Outlaw drivers.

Are there any international rules? Is there an International Sprintcar Association?

Many would see the Outlaws as the pinnacle of Sprintcar racing. So maybe their rules should be adopted so confusion like this doesn't occur inthe future. I have enjoyed watching their drivers come to NZ and race, it would be a real shame if someone of Dollansky's calibre decided not to come over because of rule issues.
Having said that, by the sounds of it Saldana knew about the rule.

[BarryB]

I far prefer our own rules, where only the prime cause gets sent to the rear, especially with our tracks being so much narrower than the American ones meaning so little room in which to avoid an accident up front. We don't want people closing their eyes and charging through a melee in the hope of coming out the other side unscathed, just because they know of the penalty for stopping.........

[Abb0]

Completely agree. It does seem strange that someone not involved (other than having to stop to avoid a collision) gets put to the back.

That rule they can keep to themselves.

[old2nz]

When the yellow light situation was on, Dollansky and Logan had no choice but to spin to avoid the accident of 57m & 78a as they got together and blocked the track. During this situation Two of Dollansky's mechanics attended his car, pushed it back in a facing position then lifted the front of the car so see if there was any damage and then left. there are two problems here 1: they should never been hiding on the infeild when every other team was not allowed. 2: under a yellow situation no outside assistance on any car can be carried out by there own crew. The repositioning of the cars is carried out only by the on track officals not by there own crew. Under a red light situation only minor repairs can be carried out but this can be done by there crews. As this was yellow Dollansky clearly has broken rule R10-5-7(f) in the current SNZ Rulebook. Who's too say what they where really doing, some reports say they straighted up the wing and they could have easily put in or taken out turns in the front shock as they clearly lifted the front of the car up. The referee had no ther decision but to disquailfy Dollansky. Just because they are international drivers they need to understand that the he and the team complys with SNZ rules & regulations as the other 16 NZ drivers had too. This was a unfortunate situation and I'm sure the Referee didn't want to rub him out but had no choice. Another good point is that if the local Palmy Referee's hadn't changed the Local Rule deal regarding the restart procedure, Ricky Logan would never had won the A Main as he would have been placed at the back of the pack after the yellow incident with Dollansky. Not like the week before at Wellington where they ran this ridiculas rule of everybody envolved in the incident will start at the rear of the feild. (ask Jamie M'cDonald I think he was Pi.sed) I think Logan needs to thank someone.

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2008 23:36:10 GMT 12 HRC said:

come on Phil tell it how it was the three tail enders still on the lead lap (all be it just dam magneto) also had to take evasive action to try and stop after the 57m and the car with totalspan on the wing spun up from 12 th and 13th place the said carnage was not caused by the three tail enders we just ended up in it with the dust it was sometimes hard to see where you were especialy durring the first 5 to 6 laps when the traffic was still together

Sorry if I upset you with my sloppy reporting Mr Halcrow. I concede that if any one would have accurate knowledge on what was happening with many of those incidents at the rear of the field you would much better than I. My main attention was on the action at the front of the race and not so much on your end.

May I also add that although you seem to be involved in many of these rear guard tangles you usually pull out with relatively little damage to your machine, so well done I guess.

And finally good on you for making the effort to travel the long and winding road to Western Springs so as to keep the big 'W' flying on behalf of the capital's sprinter fans.

PS. Ricky Logan's racing report on the race.... www.rickylogan.com/home.php.

[HRC]

hey phil im just sticking up for us tail enders that are not always responsible for the carnage that happens in these long races but we did manage to qualify and thats why we are there .
i just hope at some stage with better equipment ,grid draws and luck that maybe we can move forward to the pointy end of the feild where im use to running
anyway the magneto is here and im going out in the shed to fit it (fingers crossed this fixes the problem long way to go to the springs and have your car run like a bag of nuts

[demon]

i,d say mr hrc its along way to travel to auckland to piss around at the back of the feild anyway ah