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Post by urmama on Dec 30, 2008 15:54:11 GMT 12
no regardless of where im from it happens throughout the whole board no matter what event and who is at fault. And im plainly answering his question so theres no need to attack me marty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 15:58:04 GMT 12
urmama, I would say these people are passionate about thier sport.
Everyone on this board is entitled to ask questions of our sport and those charged with running it and making decisions at race events.
Its great to see people who are truly passionate about thier team, thier drivers and the outcomes of the people they support.
Without questions there cant be answers.
But like you say some can be annoying when answers are given and they continue to rant.
Maybe Im one of these people, but I will never apologise for being a pssionate fan who wants the best possible things for "our" sport.
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Post by banaro on Dec 30, 2008 16:01:44 GMT 12
maybe we start a new thread what did wellington actually do right besides win it for the 4th time haha .
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Post by Wildcat on Dec 30, 2008 16:16:50 GMT 12
Waikato, Alley Cats, Welly one of toughests draws  certainly jacked that one up . Richard got relegated from 1st against Alley Cats, deemed to have 1 wheel on pole line when overtaking , call was made have to live with it weather you agree or dissagree  End of the day shes all done dusted great meeting put on by all. Our mighty overpayed All Blacks even blamed the ref on their last world cup effort  Hope no bad calls go against you Marty when we eventually see you grace the dirt, look out refs |
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Post by banaro on Dec 30, 2008 16:32:35 GMT 12
good cal wild cat
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Post by Ricoshea on Dec 30, 2008 16:59:54 GMT 12
yes, the welly vs huntly vs auckland was a tough group, but i don't think there was an easy group.
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Post by 2jbones on Dec 30, 2008 17:06:29 GMT 12
Well done Wellington Young Guns on a 3 peat and well done to the Titans on making the semies. Hope to c a Christchurch Crushers team up there next year.  |
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Post by banaro on Dec 30, 2008 17:12:59 GMT 12
no 3 peat that was last year but 3 in a row on home soil 4 in a row when it came back to welly. |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 30, 2008 17:47:39 GMT 12
no regardless of where im from it happens throughout the whole board no matter what event and who is at fault. And im plainly answering his question so theres no need to attack me marty. I wasnt attacking just pointing that Wellingtonians will defend Wellingtonians its a fact of human nature regardless of what happened,even drivers that competed have been in this thread but noone from Wellington wants a bar of it,and I can tell you they arnt wingers and no one was winging in the first place in fact the question was asked Why were the red lights not put on for the young gun that rolled to check his roll cage? that was answered the ref admitted he made a booboo moving on with Darren gray releasing himself from the titan up the wall on the red light and in the same race the young gun that had all 4 wheels over the pole line taking out the leading Titan of the end of the front straight, none of these have been answered properly,these are just some of the many incidents that happened how can a mauler be firstly fined for 7 offences in the one race then told they were wrong and he did nothing wrong?? thats baffling. At the end of the day noone is denying how good the Young Guns are and they proved that in the final,people are querying bad decisions by the officials and rightly so.Dont forget all the drivers want is consistancy why is that hard to get? They are not whingers. Certainly the officials dont have an easy job but they are trained for it and when all the other teams get severly punished and dqed then of course they have to ask why it didnt happen to the home team when their indescretions were as bad or worse....consistancy thats all they want. I enjoyed the racing all the teams put in a great effort and the Young Guns (in the final) showed why they are the best. |
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Post by Wildcat on Dec 30, 2008 18:04:34 GMT 12
Thats 50 posts on the refs calls ? thats not bad ,if I recall there must have been 5000 on the refs calls at the Parmy Super Stock team champs The poor old refs geta canning on this board ;D The old saying Dont throw stones in glass houses Say No More |
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Post by chunkey on Dec 30, 2008 18:34:13 GMT 12
I will change that hot dog to a bourbon Marty lol! I think you deserve it.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 30, 2008 18:35:44 GMT 12
I dont drink, coffee will do lol
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Post by muncho on Dec 30, 2008 18:58:08 GMT 12
Thats 50 posts on the refs calls ? thats not bad ,if I recall there must have been 5000 on the refs calls at the Parmy Super Stock team champs The poor old refs geta canning on this board ;D The old saying Dont throw stones in glass houses Say No More yawn, Yes please dont wildcat |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 23:30:21 GMT 12
moving on with Darren gray releasing himself from the titan up the wall on the red light and in the same race the young gun that had all 4 wheels over the pole line taking out the leading Titan of the end of the front straight, none of these have been answered properly I can answer the first one for you. Gray was spun by the E car, he then hit reverse and rode the E car up the wall. So the result was Gray was facing the wrong wayand holding the E car up the wall. There was no red light at that stage cause because the E car had his cage protected by the 52w. 52w then took off in a forwards direction, against the flow of traffic (as he is allowed to do because his way was impeded in trying to reverse, hence traveling in the correct direction). Once he was clear of the E car the reds were activated immediately, as the E car had his cage exposed. Because the E car had no chance to move off the wall before the reds were brought on, the driver was told he had the chance to get off the wall, which he tried and failed to do. He was then taken off the wall by tow truck as his cage was still exposed. He was not in an attacking position, so by rights his own team mates could not push him off the wall, as they would have been hittlng a stationary car, who was not in an attacking possition. As for the Mike Mac one, I don't know the reason for his DQ but I imaging it would have something to do with the reversing against the flow, when his way was not impeded. to get into the attacking position near the start of the back straight. As for the Wellington car comming off the infild to attack an E car, Sorry I knew nothing about this until about an hour after the race when Bruce Robertson mentioned it to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 23:59:40 GMT 12
As for the Wellington car comming off the infild to attack an E car, Sorry I knew nothing about this until about an hour after the race when Bruce Robertson mentioned it to me. Oh man, there were two absolute beauties by Wellington in that race, the first one had all four wheels inside the poleline, and the second one had at least the inside two wheels and the majority of the car inside the poleline. The first one was virtually the same as Ngatai in the Palmy Teams Champs final vs the Mustangs. On that occasion the red lights were thrown straight away and he was removed from the race. I'm not sure if either affected the result of the race, I doubt they did. But still plainly obvious to everyone else with two eyes on the racing ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 0:09:18 GMT 12
As for the Wellington car comming off the infild to attack an E car, Sorry I knew nothing about this until about an hour after the race when Bruce Robertson mentioned it to me. Oh man, there were two absolute beauties by Wellington in that race, the first one had all four wheels inside the poleline, and the second one had at least the inside two wheels and the majority of the car inside the poleline. The first one was virtually the same as Ngatai in the Palmy Teams Champs final vs the Mustangs. On that occasion the red lights were thrown straight away and he was removed from the race. I'm not sure if either affected the result of the race, I doubt they did. But still plainly obvious to everyone else with two eyes on the racing ;D As someone mentioned earlier, maybe throwing the reds to remove any cars guilty of things that can lead to a DQ should be brought in to prevent a car who has technically been DQ'd from affecting the race outcome any further maybe the best option, although we then run the risk of having only one car finish. |
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Post by haygar on Dec 31, 2008 0:21:07 GMT 12
Oh man, there were two absolute beauties by Wellington in that race, the first one had all four wheels inside the poleline, and the second one had at least the inside two wheels and the majority of the car inside the poleline. The first one was virtually the same as Ngatai in the Palmy Teams Champs final vs the Mustangs. On that occasion the red lights were thrown straight away and he was removed from the race. I'm not sure if either affected the result of the race, I doubt they did. But still plainly obvious to everyone else with two eyes on the racing ;D As someone mentioned earlier, maybe throwing the reds to remove any cars guilty of things that can lead to a DQ should be brought in to prevent a car who has technically been DQ'd from affecting the race outcome any further maybe the best option, although we then run the risk of having only one car finish. i would have to agree with you there ramjam ! there probably would be only one wellington car left in the race ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by chooken on Dec 31, 2008 7:05:59 GMT 12
If you want to read a thread that has no moaning or whining in it, go to the thread that reads, Well Done Alleycats, and read what racn96(Jamie Fergusson) has written. It says it all, he couldnt of put it any better. There isnt one line in there that moans about anybody or anything.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Dec 31, 2008 9:31:48 GMT 12
at the end of the day its all over now and we will have to live with whats happened and we will remember to ask for the refs to be more consistent in there decisions next year.Like it was said early in the thread that no one is taking it away from the wellington club or the young guns as it was a good meeting but if things were done FAIR then we would have been in Palmy or Blenheim next year. ;D
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Post by The Observer on Dec 31, 2008 10:52:22 GMT 12
I think Wellington won it pretty fair and square.
You have to take your hat off to the young guns - I think at the end of every race they still had all there cars going, which has to be a good pointer to how good they were.
If we want to talk about cheats, and rigging the draw for advantage, and referrees changing rules to get home teams in finals, lets all look north to the
PANTHERS and Palmerston North Speedway
Now those guys have for the last 25 years done everything dodgy they can to get into the finals and win races, includeing getting the referees decisions changed.
No wonder all the best drivers from other tracks leave, and go and race at PN - they no thats the only way they can not only get a fair deal, but cheat and get away with it!
And anyway, the Panthers should be called the NOrth Island select with a HB, Wellington, Stratford car in there team.
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certainly jacked that one up .
