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Post by Apples on Dec 31, 2008 8:22:14 GMT 12
maybe this is a reply for TimS but others will know....
The engine trial that a about 8 or 10 people applied to SNZ for back in the middle of the year had a lucky winner, but ive lost my rejection letter that said who it was.
it also never said what he will be running,
How is the car going? can we know about the trial and any news to go with it?
Troy 66c
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Post by carwrecker on Dec 31, 2008 8:52:33 GMT 12
We are using a 3.4 Toyota V6 and running the original computer and injection.
SNZ have also accepted an application from a Stratford based competitor who is running the same engine but with an aftermarket computer.
Some concerns have been expressed about the fuel injection and the higher fuel pressures needed to run the standard injection and these are being addressed at the moment.
With inbuilt pressure cut out switches etc.
It would be nice to think that the car should be up and running late in January But this is subject to work load permitting.
As a point of interest the motor complete with all the stuff to make it run was $1500 plus GST not bad for a race ready and hopefully competitive engine
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Post by tank11 on Dec 31, 2008 8:59:58 GMT 12
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Post by scotty 911w on Dec 31, 2008 9:27:24 GMT 12
wouldnt of thought so tank,plenty of fwd v6's out there,diamante etc
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Post by Wingnut99 on Dec 31, 2008 9:49:45 GMT 12
Some concerns have been expressed about the fuel injection and the higher fuel pressures needed to run the standard injection and these are being addressed at the moment. dont give up your day job car wrecker  |
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Post by craigsvo on Dec 31, 2008 10:54:25 GMT 12
but what will people pay to make them go even faster? more valves=more work to do in the head=more time=more money
just my throughts
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Post by worldno1 on Dec 31, 2008 10:56:37 GMT 12
yea its only time before someone puts up 20 grand to an engine builder, it works they are the fasters out there then the next person needs to spend the same to keep up and so on and so on, just like the holdens were fast and cheap at the start???
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Post by craige on Dec 31, 2008 12:01:15 GMT 12
yea its only time before someone puts up 20 grand to an engine builder, it works they are the fasters out there then the next person needs to spend the same to keep up and so on and so on, just like the holdens were fast and cheap at the start??? from what im lead to belive matt .the engines will have to be standard if acccepted to use.ie no after market pistons etc etc and stock standard heads |
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Post by scotty 911w on Dec 31, 2008 12:10:02 GMT 12
There is (was) a rule in AMA bike racing in the US - any competitor in a race could, up to thirty minutes from the end of a race, claim the winners engine. The AMA (American Motorcycle Association) set the claiming price. It was a realistic figure, but nowhere near the amount that a top-dollar, no expenses spared, win at all costs engine would cost to build. (for example I recall that in the early 70s the claim price of a 750 road race engine was $3000).
Something like this in the limited classes of speedway would have the effect of shooting down the mega dollar cheque book racers. After all, who is going to build a $10000 race winning engine only to have to sell it to a competitor for half (or whatever) that?
By all means keep the open classes (super saloons, super stocks, sprints, etc, unlimited - but if someone wants to race in the limited classes then they should be, by definition, LIMITED.
I know that when I was racing solos at Te Marua (long time ago) there was always someone who would spend whatever it took to win, to the detriment of the class.
Regards
Scotts dad.
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Post by carwrecker on Dec 31, 2008 12:31:57 GMT 12
Some concerns have been expressed about the fuel injection and the higher fuel pressures needed to run the standard injection and these are being addressed at the moment. dont give up your day job car wrecker If I gave up my day job I would have to get a real job and I cant think of one that I could make the money I make now and besides who would do all the SNZ stuff that I have the time to do now |
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Post by craigsvo on Dec 31, 2008 14:37:51 GMT 12
There is (was) a rule in AMA bike racing in the US - any competitor in a race could, up to thirty minutes from the end of a race, claim the winners engine. The AMA (American Motorcycle Association) set the claiming price. It was a realistic figure, but nowhere near the amount that a top-dollar, no expenses spared, win at all costs engine would cost to build. (for example I recall that in the early 70s the claim price of a 750 road race engine was $3000). Something like this in the limited classes of speedway would have the effect of shooting down the mega dollar cheque book racers. After all, who is going to build a $10000 race winning engine only to have to sell it to a competitor for half (or whatever) that? By all means keep the open classes (super saloons, super stocks, sprints, etc, unlimited - but if someone wants to race in the limited classes then they should be, by definition, LIMITED. I know that when I was racing solos at Te Marua (long time ago) there was always someone who would spend whatever it took to win, to the detriment of the class. Regards Scotts dad. they were going to try this rule in ministocks and i think it would be the only class that this rule would work in because stockcars have different kinds of engines and different engine mounts etc even an early model holden engines sump is diff to a late model one and may not fix some cars. some people modify there sumps to then the guy who clams the engine would have to change it,witch means new engine seals etc good idea tho but i not sure if it would work |
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Post by worldno1 on Dec 31, 2008 17:04:20 GMT 12
yea its only time before someone puts up 20 grand to an engine builder, it works they are the fasters out there then the next person needs to spend the same to keep up and so on and so on, just like the holdens were fast and cheap at the start??? from what im lead to belive matt .the engines will have to be standard if acccepted to use.ie no after market pistons etc etc and stock standard heads oh ok then, that makes sence then huh |
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Post by gwatty on Dec 31, 2008 19:06:47 GMT 12
so it must be a 5VZFE, 24 valve, full alloy engine..
2 different types of ECU (man and auto).
this will be interesting to see how it goes?
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Post by Wingnut99 on Jan 1, 2009 11:16:16 GMT 12
so it must be a 5VZFE, 24 valve, full alloy engine.. 2 different types of ECU (man and auto). this will be interesting to see how it goes? it will be flat as a rice pudding if they play with the fuel pressure like he said earlier |
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Post by carwrecker on Jan 1, 2009 11:22:29 GMT 12
No we are not playing with the fuel pressure we are looking at a cut out devise if the fuel pressure goes away .
As in the fuel line or a fitting fractures.
Fuel injection relies upon high fuel pressure to allow the injectors to work.
Presumably that was what the Don't give up your day job comment was about.
Obviously smarter than what you thought
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Post by Wingnut99 on Jan 1, 2009 11:41:57 GMT 12
Just fit one of those silly production saloon fuel taps on the injected pressure line, they have not been burnt - yet  |
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