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Post by scotty 911w on Jan 10, 2009 9:01:01 GMT 12
to all prody drivers,with the economic situation and all the ltd's for sale etc could prody's be the nextbest class?if it is we need to tighten up the rules to make the class more even/enjoyable/good to watch. so i propose this could we as drivers tinker with the rules,and put them to snz for the benifit of the class? the problem being that there are quite possibly at least a hundred different makes of production cars to use as race cars, :Pso how do we write the rules to cover every angle? please only construtive comments,no fwd/jap/20yearold/personal bashing ;D ill start just a few off top of my head body;exteior must remain original lines etc lightening ok but not to the detrement of chassis strenght engine;rules at mo are good? tyres;if it fits within bodylines you can use it age;if its compeditive let it run suspension;original type(adustable platforms etc ok) misc;oil coolers,elec fuel pumps ok,tougher on bad driving(non contact remember) these are just some quick thoughts ,please no sillyness,as we haven't had a good prody thread for a while  scott jones 11w escort |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 9:05:01 GMT 12
food for thought but hopefully with rule book currently being rewritten the right people will already be involved,i hope, and the rules will be tidyed up and not open to so much interpretation
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Post by jayrea on Jan 10, 2009 10:01:05 GMT 12
Like you said "SO MANY DIFFERENT CARS" its hard to maintain the rules to fit every style make model of car ...
Maybe we have classes within the class .. ALL Applying the same set of rules BUT categorize slightly different ..
CLASS A up to 2l
CLASS B 2l - 4l
CLASS C V config Cars
CLASS D ??
Or whatever ... Just a thought
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Post by bluntslider on Jan 10, 2009 12:02:33 GMT 12
heres a question
how many classes in snz run front wheel drive cars?
just the productions?
rule out front wheel drive cars and everything will be allot more competitive.
the rules are OK but things need to be tidied up e.g. there are cars in rotorua with traction control. (thats not speedway thats rubbish)
if all the front wheel drive drivers that are "hotshots" were to drive rear wheel drive cars would they still be the ''hotshots''?
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Post by mike88g on Jan 10, 2009 12:20:25 GMT 12
I agree with the exterior body lines should be original and that internal should be freely removed, but, how could the strength part be policed.
The tyre rule should be OEM tyre width as a maximum. Any profile allowed but only max OEM width.
The FWD vs RWD arguement is rediculous. This is a production class. In any motorsport you will find the production class has FWD and RWD competing together. If FWD were banned, it might as well become just a "CLASSIC" class. There are only 3-4 choices of modern cars that er RWD. If there was to be any class segregation to run 2 classes in one it should probably be FWD and RWD. Two separate competition groups.
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Post by xwfalcon44 on Jan 10, 2009 12:22:28 GMT 12
heres a question how many classes in snz run front wheel drive cars? just the productions? rule out front wheel drive cars and everything will be allot more competitive. the rules are OK but things need to be tidied up e.g. there are cars in rotorua with traction control. (thats not speedway thats rubbish) if all the front wheel drive drivers that are "hotshots" were to drive rear wheel drive cars would they still be the ''hotshots''? Funny you should say that. Have gone to FWD from RWD and is a big change. Would love to have stayed with the RWD but the FWD's just get the power to the ground so much better! I think it would be fair to say that they need to tighten up the rules ! |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 10, 2009 12:27:38 GMT 12
That's why it was silly taking RWD's back to 205 tyres.  |
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Post by mike88g on Jan 10, 2009 12:35:06 GMT 12
That's why it was silly taking RWD's back to 205 tyres. I even wrote to Tim @ SNZ saying that this was a joke and that it should at least be based on OEM tyre sizes, like the rest of the OEM rules for the class. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 12:44:47 GMT 12
That's why it was silly taking RWD's back to 205 tyres. at this stage i beg to differ after one night in my car was very happy, and i only run one 205, and fwd should be in the class to stay, variety is good |
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Post by rot on Jan 10, 2009 13:40:21 GMT 12
what cars in rotorua are runing traction control think you nead to get your facts right drw99m coz i cant think of any.
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Post by Hot Lips on Jan 10, 2009 16:44:29 GMT 12
what cars in rotorua are runing traction control think you nead to get your facts right drw99m coz i cant think of any. My car last season had traction control....but ended up being more of a nuisance than anything else so I had it disconnected. I feel that the cars should be as the class states: PRODUCTION saloon. As it is when it leaves the factory, no locked diffs, not lightened, no oversize this, no special that... (although it does make it easier to get round those corners lol) then maybe Joe Public will enjoy watching the class more? However, thats only my opinion though guys.... Mike |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 10, 2009 18:29:43 GMT 12
Might work on the heavy holden Gribbs, but the rx7 likes a wide bite on the rear ;D ;D ;D
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Post by greypower on Jan 10, 2009 19:54:33 GMT 12
Hi Proddy Racers. I have raced in this class since its inception and the rules to me aren't the problem. I believe it is the club Green Sheeters not reading the rules properly. Plus the clubs run their own rules. If all the green sheeters & clubs could have the cars checked as of the rule book, not a problem. I do not have a problem with the 20year rule, if it is tidy & competitive let it race. Some clubs need these cars. The body, engine, suspension, and tyre rule ok by me. The class needs all types of cars, FWD & RWD. late ones & older ones. If they race for the fun like I do then there would be no problems. All the clubs in the South Island are pretty good with the understanding of the rules.
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Post by nzf2stocks. on Jan 10, 2009 22:12:37 GMT 12
My 2c, the 20 year rule and the "budget" rule contradict each other. How can you have a budget class when the older, cheaper cars are excluded. Unless you have a wreckers yard or similar building a car thats under 15 years old would be expensive. It means starting with a 90's car and the ones that are any good for racing are still worth good money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 9:34:19 GMT 12
I would love to see the rule allow us to do more to our cars like set up and that sort of thing but I think that snz need to first sort out the rule at the moment cos one minet we are allow this and the next were not sort your s**t out snz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 16:22:09 GMT 12
I would love to see the rule allow us to do more to our cars like set up and that sort of thing but I think that snz need to first sort out the rule at the moment cos one minet we are allow this and the next were not sort your s**t out snz. Codi 91H what do you mean codi, 1st, to do with set up, 2nd to do with snz |
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Post by Bulletfan on Jan 12, 2009 18:45:59 GMT 12
e.g. there are cars in rotorua with traction control.
sorry dude dont know where you found that from i havent seen any maybe a bit of rule bending but nothing like that.....
as for you there 71r i drove your car in one meeting last year i dont remember it having traction control ? maybe anti traction control lololololololo
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Post by mike88g on Jan 12, 2009 19:08:31 GMT 12
Traction control is now allowed if it is OEM. This was stated on the SNZ website.
Copied from there:
Any vehicle originally fitted with ABS, Traction Control or Drive By Wire is eligible with these standard features in place and functioning. The only criteria is that the vehicle must run the original tyre size, unless the standard width is larger than 205mm. If the original tyre width is greater than 205mm, the maximum allowable tread width is 205mm.
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