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Post by Jays on Jan 11, 2009 9:24:18 GMT 12
Hey guys Just interested to know what Peewee was going on about in his speech about drivers sticking together or something.  What was he referring to? Jays M4L |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Jan 11, 2009 9:44:02 GMT 12
Individul title but guys work as a team, and that teams racing. Could be wrong.
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Post by Jays on Jan 11, 2009 9:54:42 GMT 12
BOP
the way he worded it was as a HOLE group. not tracks but FINALISTS. It sounded as if something had occurred in the pits. maybe during scritinering (spelling?)
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Jan 11, 2009 10:03:57 GMT 12
there were Tyre dramas and drivers having thing written in log book with in 1hr before meeting after they had passing all checks earlier on.
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Post by chris on Jan 11, 2009 16:19:21 GMT 12
yea there is a drama about tires and sorry them red caps want to find out more about tires 10 x10 etc is okay as the rule states but to tell guys to grind off edge of tire is ridiculous in the rules it says you may only re-grove to the same pattern as on the tire and to a maximum depth of 10mm.So the moment they grind the side of there tire it becomes illegal i would suspect but not only that it now gives them a nice square edge on the tire so it can fling more crap into the crowd.The tires would of been better left as they were. To try and bring a rule change in half way through a meeting is crazy, those vehicle checkers had done a great job and not once did i see those red caps over at the pad giving them any advice. |
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Post by xtravert on Jan 11, 2009 17:22:06 GMT 12
Chris you obviously only have half the information & are not exactly clear on what the whole story is. We as SNZ officials do not make the rules we only enforce them. The Red Cap Ref is there to control the racing not what goes on in the pits etc... The Red Cap Steward is there mainly in an advisory roll to the SNZ Steward of the meeting.(which is the local steward) This can all be found in the rule book, where it explains exactly what everybody's position is.
The rule in question was made by the directors, we were only the messengers. I am not in a position to disclose anything more. But fortunately common sense prevailed & we had a fantastic championship meeting. I hope that makes things a bit clearer.
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Post by chris on Jan 11, 2009 18:17:10 GMT 12
David i agree with you regarding SNZ officials only there to enforce rules etc, but how can you try and change something half through a meeting, there was no red caps at start of vehicle checking and then they come along and start enforcing change on tires. I for one went and asked the vehicle checkers about red cap changing rule on tires and they didn't even know that John Viles was at the meeting and this was friday night  |
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Post by xtravert on Jan 11, 2009 18:38:22 GMT 12
Let me make this a little clearer, John Viles was sent with the ruling from the board. The Red Caps are not the board. He was purely & simply the messenger. I agree it was of very short notice & could have been done better. Like anything to do with a change of rules, you really have to have a lead in time.
The Steward of the meeting was advised on who the Red Caps are, & the Steward is pretty much the boss.
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Post by trucker400 on Jan 11, 2009 19:26:42 GMT 12
So what your saying is everything was normal,no one really knew what was happening,officials in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 22:20:19 GMT 12
There was no rule change tho was there? If so what was the rule that was changed?
what there was, was a rule that had previously either been ignored or interpreted differently was unignored (if there is such a word) or interpreted a new way.
I would say the guy Don (local scrut??) was laughable that he was telling one driver that the sidewall of his tyre was the tread even tho the mud on the tyre clearly showed the footprint
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Post by Saloon29s on Jan 11, 2009 22:26:49 GMT 12
So whats happening before the NZ's then? Do I have to buy a whole lot of new tyres because my $15 mud and snows have more than 10mm gap where the tread meets the sidewall?
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 11, 2009 22:42:45 GMT 12
They are going to come down even harder at Welly for the nz's so warning to all drivers find out if your tyres are legal and save the hassle when you get to wellington.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jan 12, 2009 7:10:27 GMT 12
So whats happening before the NZ's then? Do I have to buy a whole lot of new tyres because my $15 mud and snows have more than 10mm gap where the tread meets the sidewall? YEP, as a driver in the meeting you are not aloud ANY tread groove to be big than 10mm any where on a tyre and thats the side as well so better get some more trye's. |
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Post by Ricoshea on Jan 12, 2009 7:14:43 GMT 12
and i would add, this rule has been in the book for many years, not a new rule.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 12, 2009 8:52:18 GMT 12
Yup exactly its just that they have decided to enforce it for a change
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Post by mrmadtaylor on Jan 12, 2009 9:10:28 GMT 12
Yup exactly its just that they have decided to enforce it for a change And that is the problem, if it was enforced the whole time then it wouldn't be a problem now. |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jan 12, 2009 9:25:09 GMT 12
what it is is that they use to measure across the top of the trye and now they are measuring down the sides
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 12, 2009 12:13:34 GMT 12
I agree that it wasnt rigidly policed and should have been but it is still there in the rule book. What we have is not a rule change mid season but rather that ugly word Interpretation,that is what has changed the interpretation of the rule and that does not sit comfortably mid season really.At least competitors know now and will have to do something about it in 2 weeks they were warned at Meeanee that they ALL will have to comply at Wellington.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 12:36:13 GMT 12
I agree that it wasnt rigidly policed and should have been but it is still there in the rule book. What we have is not a rule change mid season but rather that ugly word Interpretation,that is what has changed the interpretation of the rule and that does not sit comfortably mid season really.At least competitors know now and will have to do something about it in 2 weeks they were warned at Meeanee that they ALL will have to comply at Wellington. I personally can not see how grooves can be called tread, unless it is part of the footprint, surly if you are going to interpret it to the letter tread is only tread while it is touching the ground. |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jan 12, 2009 12:56:13 GMT 12
I agree that it wasnt rigidly policed and should have been but it is still there in the rule book. What we have is not a rule change mid season but rather that ugly word Interpretation,that is what has changed the interpretation of the rule and that does not sit comfortably mid season really.At least competitors know now and will have to do something about it in 2 weeks they were warned at Meeanee that they ALL will have to comply at Wellington. sorry marty but they have to done by this weekend or you dont race |
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