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Post by Abb0 on Jan 14, 2009 15:04:24 GMT 12
sorry there non superstock fans but if there was no superstocks i would say there would be no speedway .....  What a load of round things. I get really sick and tired of hearing that particular load of BS time and time again. If that's true then why are tracks like Ruapuna and WS still going strong. They don't run Stockcars of any sort. In regard to the actual thread, bring in Stirrers money. What about extra points for spinning another car or putting someone onto their side/roof? |
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Post by woodart on Jan 14, 2009 15:09:20 GMT 12
And I don't think the class is in demise either. I would say it's in a holding pattern at the moment with consistent numbers in relation to previous years. .. thats classic accountant double-speak that means nothing percy, a holding pattern?? ???what previous years ? last year?  1998?  1963?  . please, dazzle us with statistics.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 15:17:08 GMT 12
Posted by MadMarty13W on Today at 2:19pm
Today at 2:12pm, 91h production saloon wrote:I argee I cant stand watching superstocks theres more contact in super saloons they have bumpers use them.
Codi 91H
then get one and do something about it
but i know your reply i cant afford one,or if i get one i cant afford to race it
get the point till money is put up for stirring and I mean decent money then less contact you will see from most drivers,also dont forget many drivers dont own their own cars and are under instructions from owners another thought to think of.
Well I have no intrest in buying a superstock or racing one and it seems to me that you cant afford to race one either aleast in my class I can afford to own my car, race it and repair it and what a load of BS that somone needs to put up money for the superstocks to hit does anyone put up money for the stockcars to hit I think not. You are in this sport because you enjoy it not to get payed.
Codi 91H
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 14, 2009 15:39:53 GMT 12
Ok look at it this way what do Superstocks get paid for? they get paid for racing for the flag and collecting prize money,on one race night you can easily collect a few hundred dollars just for placing in the top 6 each race and thats just a normal night. So before you write do your research 91h production. The chaepest shocks are around 280 each bucks, many now are running 1,750 dollar shocks thats just for one, you add up all the little bits that break easy in a hit then you are in to big dollars and you wonder why they dont hit so often, they get rewarded for flag racing and placings with money,they dont get rewarded for hitting just a big expensive bill,do the maths work it out its simple.
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Post by nrp165 on Jan 14, 2009 15:46:10 GMT 12
I have to agree with Percy on this one.
I also see this as 'maturing'-into a sport where contact is still allowed,and can be used to your advantage in gaining positions.
I can see nothing wrong with the demise of 'piledriving' an opponent into the fence,or cruising round on the poleline taking potshots.
Obviously,I would be happy to see superstocks become more English in the racing style......even to the extent of graded starts,which inevitably leads to contact as the fast guys have to work to get to the front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 15:46:21 GMT 12
So are you saying Marty, that the cost of running a Superstock is part to blame for loss of regular contact in this class?
It appears most of your comments these days points towards that, perhaps this explains a lot.
Why arent clubs and promoters putting up good regular prize pools and stirring money? Is it perhaps that what they would pay out wouldnt replace even one shock?
Surely this is all food for thought that seems to have been chucked down the waste disposal unit by our sport in recent years?
Also interesting to note again Marty says many drivers dont actually own the cars they race? How come?
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 14, 2009 15:51:20 GMT 12
...The chaepest shocks are around 280 each bucks, many now are running 1,750 dollar shocks thats just for one, you add up all the little bits that break easy in a hit then you are in to big dollars and you wonder why they dont hit so often, they get rewarded for flag racing and placings with money,they dont get rewarded for hitting just a big expensive bill,do the maths work it out its simple. Agree that the cost of running a S/Stock could be expensive but doesn't it come down to running what you can afford? Putting a $1750 shock on a car and then being out for several meetings because the shock got damaged and you don't have another one seems absurd to me. To me it comes down to a couple of basic questions: What is the purpose of Stockcars/Superstockcars, and what are the heavily reinforced bars there for? Decoration? |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 14, 2009 15:58:30 GMT 12
Simple... costs a driver may be able to afford to buy a top car,what you need is nearly the same amount that you brought it for to run it for the season and the same high standard,its one thing owning a car its another running it and maintaining to a competitve standard.
This is one of the main reasons why Superstocks are evolving.
But I cant see any problem in cruising the pole line,most of the damage is done by(i wont call them dumb) bad thinking drivers,a case in example,think back a few seasons Pat Westbury would run a bit then slow cruising the pole line when he would start to block cars, slow them up etc no damaged caused there, but the next time they came around they tried to dive bomb Pat at full speed miscuing a lot and doing a lot of damage to their own cars then they would moan at him!! lol. I for one cant get the reasioning by most drivers that if they are not in the chase why keep going round and round?? to me thats pathetic why not slow and help your club mates or whatever slow the leaders, if you get dive bombed ,and if you position your car properly and use your speed properly the car thats dive bombing will more often than not end up worse off.
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Post by stomper39 on Jan 14, 2009 16:00:25 GMT 12
2 ton modifieds thats what i no them as
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Post by azza007 on Jan 14, 2009 16:02:47 GMT 12
...The chaepest shocks are around 280 each bucks, many now are running 1,750 dollar shocks thats just for one, you add up all the little bits that break easy in a hit then you are in to big dollars and you wonder why they dont hit so often, they get rewarded for flag racing and placings with money,they dont get rewarded for hitting just a big expensive bill,do the maths work it out its simple. Agree that the cost of running a S/Stock could be expensive but doesn't it come down to running what you can afford? Putting a $1750 shock on a car and then being out for several meetings because the shock got damaged and you don't have another one seems absurd to me. Maybe he means the cost of replacing shocks that expensive every meeting just through hitting is a bit silly? |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 14, 2009 16:04:44 GMT 12
...But I cant see any problem in cruising the pole line,most of the damage is done by(i wont call them dumb) bad thinking drivers,a case in example,think back a few seasons Pat Westbury would run a bit then slow cruising the pole line when he would start to block cars, slow them up etc no damaged caused there, but the next time they came around they tried to dive bomb Pat at full speed miscuing a lot and doing a lot of damage to their own cars then they would moan at him!! lol. I for one cant get the reasioning by most drivers that if they are not in the chase why keep going round and round?? to me thats pathetic why not slow and help your club mates or whatever slow the leaders, if you get dive bombed ,and if you position your car properly and use your speed properly the car thats dive bombing will more often than not end up worse off. Agree, to me that's intelligent driving. If someone is out of the points then they should be helping their teammates/mates... either by driving "defensively" (like Marty describes above) or aggresively. Either way hits are the result which is what we are talking about. Isn't it? |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 14, 2009 16:06:50 GMT 12
Agree that the cost of running a S/Stock could be expensive but doesn't it come down to running what you can afford? Putting a $1750 shock on a car and then being out for several meetings because the shock got damaged and you don't have another one seems absurd to me. Maybe he means the cost of replacing shocks that expensive every meeting just through hitting is a bit silly? Then, if you can't afford it, don't use shocks that expensive. If you can afford it, use them. But don't use them as an excuse not to hit another car. |
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Post by azza007 on Jan 14, 2009 16:08:40 GMT 12
Yeah that's fair. And I suppose it is a contact class so you need to expect your car to get banged up. Within reason.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 14, 2009 16:17:58 GMT 12
Maybe he means the cost of replacing shocks that expensive every meeting just through hitting is a bit silly? Then, if you can't afford it, don't use shocks that expensive. If you can afford it, use them. But don't use them as an excuse not to hit another car. Once one driver upgrades to more expensive parts then others have to follow to stay competitive with them,that is how the class has changed over the years. |
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Post by Apples on Jan 14, 2009 16:21:23 GMT 12
i dont see any superstock drivers on here complaining about the costs of superstock racing.
Bumpers are fun to use but its not compolsery to do so. alot of speed can be lost using them and why would you use it if your winning and the 2nd place is right behind you to pass for the win..... it wouldnt happen.
its good to see the hits and its good to see smart racing. but i think the class is far from passed it
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Post by Rob (on the job) Ross on Jan 14, 2009 16:25:29 GMT 12
NO but in saying that they need to cut the cost's down and I feel there should be a limit on what can be spent on things like 1. get rid of rhe racing tyres 2. have a limit on what can be spent on the motor like up to $15 grand so then everyone can aford to race a a-grade op's I ment a superstock
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 16:29:06 GMT 12
i dont see any superstock drivers on here complaining about the costs of superstock racing. Bumpers are fun to use but its not compolsery to do so. alot of speed can be lost using them and why would you use it if your winning and the 2nd place is right behind you to pass for the win..... it wouldnt happen. its good to see the hits and its good to see smart racing. but i think the class is far from passed it If superstock drivers were on here complaining about costs wouldnt they look a bit silly if they were complaining on here and racing out there on Saturday night? Also as Marty says a lot of drivers dont actually own the car, so dont have to have an open cheuebook. Sadly I think the best days of this class are gone, and now they appear to be slightly less powereful Sprintcars. Too many times I have been to meetings and left wanting as I get in my car to go home.And when youre travelling tens of thousands of k's a season expecting what the class has delivered in the past.Less passionate fans than myself would be turned off the sport by this Im sure, and Im slowly becoming less passionate about Superstocks, but it appears Stockcars are the entertainers in terms of contact classes, even watching Super Saloons or Mods get just one lap done often provides more contact than three races of Superstocks. |
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 14, 2009 16:34:27 GMT 12
Crikey!! What am I getting into?? Not allowed to hit? Not allowed to cruse the pole line? I can only hit to pass? no stirrers money?
Maybe I should have a re think..
$1700.00. for a shock? are these gold plated?
The class just needs a few more players.
I noted someone said if they hit in the first race there will be less for the next one and so on.
Maybe this is why Palmy do so well in the teams champs... Because their gear is stress tested before the teams event making their cars stronger & less lightly to fall apart on a bit of contact.
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 14, 2009 16:41:29 GMT 12
having followed s/stocks since the late 70,s i have seen changes in nz champs in years gone by no way would a top 3 points scorer after 2 heats go on to be king having recently witnessed the nz,s at auckland/wanganui no full to the max taking out happened,i have taken the law into my own hands & will travel to watch stockcars each week-end unless there is a good sized field of superstocks in my own backyard & coming from a spectator & driver who has seen many superstock battles (you can,t call them that now days)superstocks are truly on the way out take a looked at the teams champs if it weren,t for the poms we wouldn,t have a full field this year in the eighties when they had 8 teams teams & others were lining up to get into the field not so today will be going back to when it all started 8 teams in the near future.bruce/simps
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Post by busterbell on Jan 14, 2009 17:26:55 GMT 12
well all is well and alive here in nelson, and have no complaints about the racing i have witnessed this season and past seasons with our superstocks. perhaps its just a north island thing as the northen streeties dont like to hit either. we have had some fantastic racing here this season, with plenty of on track battles going on, paybacks, and stirring. perhaps it is because our super field is so evenly matched and often the only way to win a race is to tap and spin your opponent out of the way. we have had plenty of wallings and rolls and the racing here just seems to be getter better. championship nights i treat a little differant as they are there to win a title not wipe each other out. in saying that the nz superstock gp was good here in nelson and carey harwoods (successfull  ) attempts to get 591p in the final was well worth the admission. |
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1998? 
1963? 
. please, dazzle us with statistics. 
) attempts to get 591p in the final was well worth the admission.