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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 14, 2009 18:30:38 GMT 12
The class just needs a few more players Correct and need to stick together to stop the other moaning 90 percent when they get hit |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 14, 2009 18:32:33 GMT 12
superstocks are truly on the way out take a looked at the teams champs if it weren,t for the poms we wouldn,t have a full field this year in the eighties when they had 8 teams teams & others were lining up to get into the field not so today will be going back to when it all started 8 teams in the near future.bruce/simps wrong there are still 13 teams (Blenheim have now enetered) and maybe 14 because Waikato have now got till the end of the week to get a team sorted |
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Post by Apples on Jan 14, 2009 18:37:34 GMT 12
NO but in saying that they need to cut the cost's down and I feel there should be a limit on what can be spent on things like 1. get rid of rhe racing tyres 2. have a limit on what can be spent on the motor like up to $15 grand so then everyone can aford to race a a-grade op's I ment a superstock cut costs? get rid of racing tyres? put a limit on engine costs? are you talking about stockcars? |
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Post by Rob (on the job) Ross on Jan 14, 2009 18:44:15 GMT 12
I'm talking about all classes of stockcars as in superstock's stockcar's everything as I think both classes are startibng to cost to much to race and in the end there will be a lost class of racing
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Post by Wiseowl on Jan 14, 2009 18:50:11 GMT 12
This Topic touches my nerves as I have watched this class since its inception
3 Weeks ago I put up this posting below on another thread and I reckon its worth me putting it up here again
I reckon it just about covers things
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If I had anything to do with running contact classes i would adopt the following
Hit to pass rule
best drivers at the rear
ALOT more prizemoney for hitting
Further tyre restrictions
less prizemoney for winning ( except championships)
bring back the drums
( I even had a chat to our infamous CEO about drums as it may appear there is nothing in the rules banning them)
With these in place... all of a sudden drivers would not want to spend the big-bucks as it would create self-restrictions.............
..And the crowd would be entertained ....IMPORTANT
Cheers
Wiseowl
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Post by Wiseowl on Jan 14, 2009 18:52:15 GMT 12
Below is another posting I put on another thread as well
Its still applicable about this topic too I reckon
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I would have thought, that the whole speedway community should wake up and take notice of whats happening to the great sport of SuperStocks..
At $95,000 its no wonder those involved with this car are selling..
The whole business of this class is financially getting "out of hand"
I have said for years, that there needs to be a back-track of costs in this class..........crazy !!!!
I reckon I could write a book on the cost-blowouts I have observed over decades..............
But then nobody in the right places would take notice anyway
Sad really !!
$95,000..killing the class for the future generations
Bring back ...the drums, compulsory hit to pass, retract the fancy gear & fastest cars to the back !!
Cheers
Wiseowl
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Post by Jase2 on Jan 14, 2009 19:09:38 GMT 12
Not sure if my point amounts to anything, but coming from a part of the country that has been deprived of Superstocks ever since i can remember, i recall sitting in turn 2 at Woodford Glen at the superstock title this year, in 2 minds about what real Superstock racing is all about. But watching the best cars along with the best drivers in the country come flying into turn 1 and 2 at the Glen, the sight was just incrediable. But along with it was the sound. To me, there is nothing like the sound, the speed and the pure nuts it takes to race one of these cars. The skill to hold one of these very rampant cars on the track whilst trying to avoid any type of carnage is full testament to the ability of these drivers. Or is it that we don't often get to see these guys, so when we do, we appreciate it more than people that get to watch them every week... passing thought
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Post by pallmall on Jan 14, 2009 19:23:25 GMT 12
The answer to the question is NO.
Superstocks are awesome to watch if there is a full field, not so great if there are 8 to 12 cars.
Repeating myself for the zillionth time.
1. RR Control Tyre ( and possibly a control shock package?)
2. Fastest from the rear, not of the grid, but handicapped up to 2/3rds of a lap for the big guns.
4. Bring back the Drums
5. Pay for the most cars spun, and for the most cars hit to pass.
6. Pay the most prize money, not always for first place, but sometimes third, or fifth, etc. can be hilarious to watch those races.
7. Maybe it is time Superstocks were a touring series, then we could have grading to determine start position (See 2). And full fields could be guaranteed to promoters.
And if they are so terrible why is Paradise Valley going to be standing room only on Saturday night?
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Post by Rob (on the job) Ross on Jan 14, 2009 20:12:25 GMT 12
The answer to the question is NO. Superstocks are awesome to watch if there is a full field, not so great if there are 8 to 12 cars. Repeating myself for the zillionth time. 1. RR Control Tyre ( and possibly a control shock package?) 2. Fastest from the rear, not of the grid, but handicapped up to 2/3rds of a lap for the big guns. 4. Bring back the Drums 5. Pay for the most cars spun, and for the most cars hit to pass. 6. Pay the most prize money, not always for first place, but sometimes third, or fifth, etc. can be hilarious to watch those races. 7. Maybe it is time Superstocks were a touring series, then we could have grading to determine start position (See 2). And full fields could be guaranteed to promoters. And if they are so terrible why is Paradise Valley going to be standing room only on Saturday night? Thanks Pall mall what do you think on the way I said to cut down cost's so we get more cars back or more drivers coming back into the class |
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Post by pallmall on Jan 14, 2009 20:26:00 GMT 12
Rob, I don't think you can cut costs too much, but they can be stabilised if some control measures are introduced.
What musn't happen is a control measure costing money to make the change.
Then, all things being equal, the cars that are parked up will come back out, and new drivers will keep coming along.
Seems to me, after the engine builder, tyres and shocks are the two next biggest costs on consumables.
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 14, 2009 20:26:45 GMT 12
This Topic touches my nerves as I have watched this class since its inception 3 Weeks ago I put up this posting below on another thread and I reckon its worth me putting it up here again I reckon it just about covers things xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx If I had anything to do with running contact classes i would adopt the following Hit to pass rule best drivers at the rear ALOT more prizemoney for hitting Further tyre restrictions less prizemoney for winning ( except championships) bring back the drums ( I even had a chat to our infamous CEO about drums as it may appear there is nothing in the rules banning them) With these in place... all of a sudden drivers would not want to spend the big-bucks as it would create self-restrictions............. ..And the crowd would be entertained ....IMPORTANT Cheers Wiseowl well said wiseowl remember back in the days at wanganui flying into airport bend avoiding drums awesome stuff |
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Post by Cheque Book on Jan 14, 2009 20:55:43 GMT 12
I big fan of superstocks, NZ CHAMPS champs was the best meeting bar the superstock teams I been to,
$100,000.00 cars are a work of art, without these they would be stockcars that don't hit, but these cars are amazing, 500HP man it sounds look goes hard out,
I'm happy to see 10 superstock race anynight over other classes,
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Post by DTM1 on Jan 14, 2009 20:56:55 GMT 12
what do you think on the way I said to cut down cost's so we get more cars back or more drivers coming back into the class Once again cost enters the picture and once again im left to try and understand how cutting costs will equal more cars on track,or a stampede of ex drivers returning to the class. |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Jan 14, 2009 21:06:20 GMT 12
Ban Superstocks
punter would not be happy.
Most users online was 579, 4 Jan, 2009, 11:06pm
nz superstock champs
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Post by Ngahihi o te ra on Jan 14, 2009 21:48:46 GMT 12
Kia ora Frank,  I mentioned something similiar on the 240's thread. I would of expected Ngahihi to have replied, but he may be busy trying to organise my ride in the 2 seater in vegas :-) Kia ora Sonic 33 Sorry but I am too busy saving my money up to hopefully live the dream and move from spectating to driving to pay for others to go on joy rides. Nice try though! Green flags and green lights |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 22:55:48 GMT 12
Thanks Pall mall what do you think on the way I said to cut down cost's so we get more cars back or more drivers coming back into the class Rob i know u wern't asking me but its a silly idea IMHO. I know your heart is in the right place when you suggest it but putting a $$ figure on what you can spend on anything will never work Take for eg a $$ limit on an engine. I go to a builder and he says i sponsor you labour and you pay only cost + GST on parts. I am paying $10k +, less than a guy that has to pay full price. or a driver who can do everything himself is getting it a lot cheeper than a guy paying full price. Besides how are you ever gunna find out what someone has paid for a car, engine or parts?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 23:11:44 GMT 12
Easy solution to that Ramjam is limit horsepower, portable dyno at the track to regulate, even cars even fields, more action perhaps?
Wholeheartedly agree with Wiseowl.
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Post by supastocknut on Jan 15, 2009 0:48:59 GMT 12
Man these threads are a joke, when will people realize that their is NO class in speedway that pleases everyone. Personally i can not stand ministocks or buget saloons if i had my way i would trailor the lot!!! but hey, that's me, others like these classes and thats their choice!! i love superstocks, hence the name i use, why do people feel the need to come on here and bag superstock drivers and the class. I spent some time with Kyle fraser last season and during this time i was suprised how much damage could be sustained even during what some of you people would call a boring tame night of racing. Superstocks are one of the premier classes in speedway and attracks big crowds, its interesting to note that some blame supers & std stocks not hitting that keeps the crowd away, huh, i know a few people that stay away from normal meetings including some in my own family because they can not be bothered with the buget classes and only attend the big meets such as the 240s and teams etc when these buget classes are at a minimum!! There is two forms of speedway in NZ and this is often forgotton. 1) being drivers enjoying what they do.....and 2) spectators paying to watch, quite often these do not mix causing threads like this Superstocks look good, sound great, are fast and very unpredictable which makes them a great class to watch, 10 out of ten any night!!! By the way before i have ministock or buget saloon drivers moaning at this post, it is my opinion, i have no doubt you love your racing and i respect you for that go hard!!  does not mean everyone would pay money to watch you do your thing. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 15, 2009 1:34:38 GMT 12
No they're not.............but costs affect everything, eventually. I wonder how many top cars will be parked up after the World 240's, and then how many more after the teams. I can see many drivers having short seasons............
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Post by hew11 on Jan 15, 2009 3:49:56 GMT 12
As you have just suggested Supastocknut you cant please everyone and each person has their preferences so the people on this thread are obviously the ones that prefer the other racing classes or the old style stock racing, they are allowed their opinions too.
I personally used to enjoy watching the superstocks until they became too expensive to hit each other. A few of you have suggested bringing back the stirrers money. I am guessing that the cost of the damage done to a stockcar over the amount of money they may get for stirring is a whole lot more thus deterring the drivers from going for it.
I think you make it an English style class where you race with no contact and then have your teams races each year. That way if there is no expectation they are going to hit each other then you will enjoy it for what it is?
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does not mean everyone would pay money to watch you do your thing.
