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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 8:25:19 GMT 12
Also keep in mind you don't have to be KO'ed to be doing damage, concussions, have many levels and can be just as serious as a knock out, in some cases worse because people don't realise. I agree it is something that definitely needs to be looked at, but not quite as serious as you are making out. I can think of other more pressing safety issues to be honest. I reckon SFI rated neck restraints should be compulsory, especially in contact classes. The old foam neckbraces are inadequate in a big crash. I think if Collingwood WASN'T wearing a HANS, we would be having a different discussion right now. Old School, I know you aren't a fan of the HANS but there are others out there that meet the SFI standards - www.sfifoundation.com/manuf.html#38.1 - worth noting is that only one style of the Leatt brace complies (i.e not the cheaper motorcross one) |
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Post by The Observer on Feb 3, 2009 8:50:44 GMT 12
I did a quick interveiw with Pete rees before the teams event in Wellington, and he mentioned that after his impact the year before, and some early knocks this season, he had been working with Racetech and had some modifications to his seat.
After his performance so far this year, both hitting and being the #1 target at both North Islands and the NZ stocks, you'd have to guess that whatever changes they made have been effective.
Hopefully at some stage Pete will find time to put an update up about the changes he has made, and provide some advice. Maybe they are waiting for the BIG test at teams champs...
Either way, I think the biggest protection against concussion or sleeps is a properly moulded mouthgaurd. Has been effective for me in contact sports, and I'm always astounded at the number of drivers in stockcars and superstock who DONT wear one.
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Post by Action-Man on Feb 3, 2009 12:56:26 GMT 12
Also keep in mind you don't have to be KO'ed to be doing damage, concussions, have many levels and can be just as serious as a knock out, in some cases worse because people don't realise. I agree it is something that definitely needs to be looked at, but not quite as serious as you are making out. (i.e not the cheaper motorcross one) It's not my intention to be waving a big red flag at this, I'm not suggesting pulling out all the racetec seats and burning them. it's was posed as a Question & I have reiterated that in my last post. A few early responses from assorted drivers give the impression there could be a problem there. The Fact that Racetec are on board & doing all they can to help fix the problem is maybe another sign that there IS a problem. I made a mistake including Mr Hampton in the initial scenario but just because it's not top of the list as a safety issue, in your opinion, dose not mean it's not worth discussing. I'm only putting my thoughts into words, so why the negative?? If it can prick SNZ into a bit of an investigation or make a driver think that his weekly headache could be a result of seat set-up and give it some thought then where is the harm. |
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Post by The Godfather on Feb 3, 2009 13:15:58 GMT 12
Either way, I think the biggest protection against concussion or sleeps is a properly moulded mouthgaurd. Has been effective for me in contact sports, and I'm always astounded at the number of drivers in stockcars and superstock who DONT wear one. Spot on Obby, I wore one 6 years ago and never had a problem(probably wasn't going fast enough) Anywhooo, it has been documented in other sports and even on other threads on here that mouthguards definately reduce the likelyhood of concussion. |
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Post by alloyplatypus on Feb 3, 2009 15:21:12 GMT 12
I reckon SFI rated neck restraints should be compulsory, especially in contact classes. The old foam neckbraces are inadequate in a big crash. I think if Collingwood WASN'T wearing a HANS, we would be having a different discussion right now. Was Hampton wearing a Hans? Truth be known, i dont know many people that havent been K.O'ed while wearing a Hans. Amongst me and my friends, and ex Kihikihi clubmates.. and ex Auckland clubmates that i still talk to, i dont know any that wear Hans, and aside from Grant King 32A and Lyndsay 34K (who cracked his Helmet on a seat wing), i dont know any that have been knocked out??. Theres something about slowing your neck and head down fast, while not slowing down its contents, that make me wonder about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 15:37:29 GMT 12
Was Hampton wearing a Hans? Truth be known, i dont know many people that havent been K.O'ed while wearing a Hans. Amongst me and my friends, and ex Kihikihi clubmates.. and ex Auckland clubmates that i still talk to, i dont know any that wear Hans, and aside from Grant King 32A and Lyndsay 34K (who cracked his Helmet on a seat wing), i dont know any that have been knocked out??. Theres something about slowing your neck and head down fast, while not slowing down its contents, that make me wonder about it. No Hampton wasn't, but Collingwood was and while unconscious from the hit went full speed across the infield into the wall head on - which is what I referred to about Collingwood being worse without one. I think you are confusing two different issues here. HANS is to prevent serious or fatal neck or head impact injury, nothing to do with specifically preventing ko's. NASCAR, Formula 1, A1GP, WRC etc have researched and use them succesfully, but that wont convince you? Not sure how you think the steering wheel would slow your head down better. Wikipedia is a starting place to read about them - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HANS_device |
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Post by Abb0 on Feb 3, 2009 19:15:38 GMT 12
Either way, I think the biggest protection against concussion or sleeps is a properly moulded mouthgaurd. Has been effective for me in contact sports, and I'm always astounded at the number of drivers in stockcars and superstock who DONT wear one. While I agree that a mouthguard would seem to be a given to be worn to save teeth, it won't prevent a KO. I'm no doctor but from what I've read/seen a KO occurs when the brain is violently bounced around within the skull. |
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Post by urmama on Feb 13, 2009 16:16:03 GMT 12
Im starting to wonder weather it is just solely a speed thing and weather supers are just to fast for heavy contact now a days plus the added extra of all the other things mentioned I think like some people say it doesnt matter how much or what type of safety gear you have speed and the force of coming to a sudden stop then you have brain mash which quickly becomes a sleep. Are they just too fast now?  |
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Post by Ugmo on Feb 13, 2009 16:19:48 GMT 12
Either way, I think the biggest protection against concussion or sleeps is a properly moulded mouthgaurd. Has been effective for me in contact sports, and I'm always astounded at the number of drivers in stockcars and superstock who DONT wear one. While I agree that a mouthguard would seem to be a given to be worn to save teeth, it won't prevent a KO. I'm no doctor but from what I've read/seen a KO occurs when the brain is violently bounced around within the skull. Mouthgaurds can help prevent a KO in that it takes the shock from the teeth and stops that violent brain movement. Thats what I was taught at teachers college anyway. |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 13, 2009 17:57:06 GMT 12
Im starting to wonder weather it is just solely a speed thing and weather supers are just to fast for heavy contact now a days plus the added extra of all the other things mentioned I think like some people say it doesnt matter how much or what type of safety gear you have speed and the force of coming to a sudden stop then you have brain mash which quickly becomes a sleep. Are they just too fast now? Stockcar drivers are knocked out just like Superstock drivers |
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Post by urmama on Feb 13, 2009 18:42:07 GMT 12
yeah well thats a good question whats the ratio between stockcars and supers?
is there an incident report procedure where they tally this kinda information to find out the problem equipment or reasons??
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 13, 2009 19:55:17 GMT 12
Anybody else think we cud debate this topic in a few days time?
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Post by Shells on Feb 13, 2009 20:21:15 GMT 12
I agree with you Sonic now is not the time to be discussing this subject lets have some tact and diplomacy people
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