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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2009 15:59:32 GMT 12
What's happening over the points discrepency from Saturday night?
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Post by mrrx on Feb 5, 2009 17:41:27 GMT 12
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2009 18:29:02 GMT 12
Nothing Barry.
Has Mr Cardwell protested?
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Post by HRC on Feb 5, 2009 19:08:20 GMT 12
Nothing Barry. Has Mr Cardwell protested? it would be a first for a Cardwell as Tony always said to me he has never lodged a protest his whole speedway career |
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Post by magpie on Feb 5, 2009 19:50:23 GMT 12
Yep Shane... here we go again  |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2009 21:51:21 GMT 12
I think that's right, TC never did. So we just pretend the error never happened then? It's certainly a tricky one to sort out later, if not impossible........
I can accept a couple of you above are Paddy North fans, rather obviously, and I personally don't favour one winning over the other, but what I don't appreciate is mistakes just getting swept under the carpet, or being placed in the too hard basket, and just meandering along and letting the same thing happen again further down the track. We as a sport need to learn when such things happen, if only to ensure they do not happen again. It's certainly another instance of our sport not needing a higher exposure in the mainstream media at present, as is the dream of many.
So don't just say "here we go again" like a cheer leading squad. I'm sure if the result was on the other foot, you'd be calling for the situation to be rectified.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Feb 5, 2009 22:30:59 GMT 12
Paddy handed back the Cup!
1st Craig Cardwell
2nd Paddy North
3rd Shane MacIntyre
This was told to me tonight by Mike Miller (Red Cap)
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2009 22:58:15 GMT 12
They should share it in my opinion, it's the fault of neither that this has happened.
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Post by magpie on Feb 6, 2009 0:33:52 GMT 12
I think that's right, TC never did. So we just pretend the error never happened then? It's certainly a tricky one to sort out later, if not impossible........ I can accept a couple of you above are Paddy North fans, rather obviously, and I personally don't favour one winning over the other, but what I don't appreciate is mistakes just getting swept under the carpet, or being placed in the too hard basket, and just meandering along and letting the same thing happen again further down the track. We as a sport need to learn when such things happen, if only to ensure they do not happen again. It's certainly another instance of our sport not needing a higher exposure in the mainstream media at present, as is the dream of many. So don't just say "here we go again" like a cheer leading squad. I'm sure if the result was on the other foot, you'd be calling for the situation to be rectified. Cheer squad? NO! I’m a mate of Paddy’s, was in Gisborne crewing and became tired of reading a lot of uninformed opinion and speculation coming from people who weren’t racing, who weren’t even in Gisborne on Saturday night, and who certainly haven’t been in the loop with what’s been going on in the background since Saturday. If the result was on the other foot, I would’ve left it to Paddy to address through the appropriate channels, following the correct procedure if he’d chosen to go down that path, which I very much doubt. I wouldn’t have been happy with the result but I certainly wouldn’t have bleated publicly about it. |
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Post by magpie on Feb 6, 2009 0:41:33 GMT 12
Paddy handed back the Cup! 1st Craig Cardwell 2nd Paddy North 3rd Shane MacIntyre This was told to me tonight by Mike Miller (Red Cap) Not quite correct. Paddy contacted SNZ today and notified them he was handing the trophy back. SNZ advised Paddy they were conducting their own investigation into the results and ELS data and for him to wait until the outcome of their investigation when they’ll make a recommendation; so until then Saturday night’s result stands. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2009 4:23:19 GMT 12
Off Paddy's lown website, and I quote (if I may);
"Unfortunately, I became aware after arriving home earlier this week that there had been a possible cock-up with the points and our win may not have been as clear cut as it looked on the night. After investigating the situation, much deliberation and against the better advice of all my supporters I decided to return the trophy as I felt I wasn't the rightful winner, and it should be presented to Craig Cardwell (2nd on the night) as he should have finished one point ahead of me"
This is one of the most stunning pieces of sportsmanshhip I have witnessed in years, and I truly hope is rewarded with even better results in future....and I'm sure it will.
I still feel each should receive a trophy, share the 1st & 2nd place prozemonies and share the title. Paddy is one of the most spectacular Super Saloon drivers around, and Lord we need those, plus he drives a HOLDEN. Best of luck on the SSCAR tour Paddy.
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Post by Wiseowl on Feb 6, 2009 7:04:17 GMT 12
There is one thing I would like to say
Paddy North would get my prize for the " Best Sportsman of the year" Award
Craig Cardwell would get my prize for " The most amazing Rookie of the year" Award.....
incredible stuff from a guy jumping straight into the deep end of intense championship action !!
Good luck & Well done to you both !!
Cheers
Wiseowl
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Post by 34T on Feb 6, 2009 10:01:04 GMT 12
Big call by Paddy to hand back the cup. He will be gutted by what has evenutated.
Equally Craig was denied the opportunity to take out first place in proper fashion by not being off the front row of the grid at the start of the race. Craig was fast and possibly could have taken out first place.
The drivers have done nothing wrong.
Its a major cock-up by the officials who were fully aware of the situation after the second race and well before the final race when they could have rectified the problem. The points for the first race were not posted after the first race and the drivers were given their points after the second race.
They officials chose to not fix their own cock-up.
Craigs crew bought the problem to the attention of the officials and by rights this should have been sorted without any protest by a driver.
Why should a driver need to protest an officials mistake.
Someone told a big fib and said "its too late to change".
I dont believe Craig should be gifted first place as in the final race Paddy would be aware of what points each driver had and I doubt if he would leave the door open for Craig to pass him. I wouldnt let a car pass if it meant the differance of 1st and 2nd.
You cannot rerun the race again.
If anything a draw for first.
Perhaps share the prize money.
Ray
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Post by Mike D on Feb 6, 2009 10:13:25 GMT 12
I totally agree with you Ray, and a draw would be the most suitable outcome.... Its a pitty its got this far as i think paddy fully deserves to keep the title despite someone elses cock up
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Post by Super Saloon 11m on Feb 6, 2009 10:35:14 GMT 12
Wow Paddy North sportsman of the year that’s for sure! Would still wait for official results and comments after SNZ do their thing, but that is something everyone should measure themselves against.
Craig Cardwell rookie of the year without doubt, seems the els scores were way out and he should hold his head high with a win like this in his first year racing!
Brings into account the requirements of track to have the right facilities and staff to be eligible to hold Championships. Heard from one racer that night he was told in his ear piece to ignore the white flag (After 14 laps of 20) in the Super Saloon feature race. Only to have the chequered flag fall the next lap, sorry but this is just not good enough and something needs to be done to ensure this sort of debacle does not happen again.
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Post by mrmadtaylor on Feb 6, 2009 11:18:05 GMT 12
Brings into account the requirements of track to have the right facilities and staff to be eligible to hold Championships. Heard from one racer that night he was told in his ear piece to ignore the white flag (After 14 laps of 20) in the Super Saloon feature race. Only to have the chequered flag fall the next lap, sorry but this is just not good enough and something needs to be done to ensure this sort of debacle does not happen again. Sorry o/t but what is a driver doing with an ear piece? |
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Post by magpie on Feb 6, 2009 11:37:14 GMT 12
SNZ have been trialling one way radio communication from the referee to drivers in various classes this season and trialled it with the Super Saloons at Gisborne on Saturday
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Post by mrrx on Feb 6, 2009 11:50:50 GMT 12
barry b if you have a problem with me supporting a man who has done a lot for me and is a great competitor then you need to have a think about it again // if shoe on other foot i think you said //
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Post by mrmadtaylor on Feb 6, 2009 12:29:05 GMT 12
SNZ have been trialling one way radio communication from the referee to drivers in various classes this season and trialled it with the Super Saloons at Gisborne on Saturday Cheers for clearing that up. Now that you say that I do remember it being talked about. |
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Post by schumaaka on Feb 6, 2009 15:03:58 GMT 12
If the points as we have them are correct they should have been tied after the 2 heats in first place.
They didn't get to draw for pole and Paddy believed that he had several points over Craig when he started the final race so I believe as do most others that it would be unfair hand it back and then on to Craig.
The Officials should have fixed the points at that time as they where aware of it, prior to the final.
My opinion for what its worth is that they both deserve this and 1st equal would be the best resolution for this Title as this is what they were going into the final race.
First equal in the North Island Champs, ahead of the current NZ Champ, sounds Great to me.
If the boys really want to sort it out on the track as they should have been given the oportunity to do on the night then 3, 4 lap run-offs, 1 each night over the next 3 of the sscar meetings would also be another option if both drivers where interested. That would be great to watch, and would deffinetly raise the level of the meeting.
Not sure who I would put my money on either but it would be great to watch.
This is probably one of those situations where Drivers could sort out SNZ problems not the other way around.
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