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Post by DTM1 on Feb 6, 2009 15:53:17 GMT 12
barry b if you have a problem with me supporting a man who has done a lot for me and is a great competitor then you need to have a think about it again // if shoe on other foot i think you said // Your reasons for supporting Paddy have nothing to do with Barrys comment,he asked a valid question and you replied in a manner that drew attention to your bias. Paddy and Craig are the latest victims of the shamateur nature of the sport and both have been put in a situation that should never have happened. While SNZ runs speedway covered by one all encompassing frame work nothing will change or move forward. Premier Classes need a professionally run independent framework that is standalone from the rest of the SNZ zoo and ultimately run like a business. What does SNZ actually do for speedway? and is it possible,that the premier classes would be better served without SNZ and the amateur ethos that guides it?. |
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Post by mrrx on Feb 6, 2009 19:26:19 GMT 12
now there has been alot of discussion in anuther tread and i did not see why a new tread had to be started as to me if i was in the situation paddy is in and seen it come up agian and agian it would pi`` me off .  paddy has worked very hard and dose not have to be judged on here when this situation should have been sorted at the track  i was not wanting to upset anyone |
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Post by DTM1 on Feb 6, 2009 20:28:48 GMT 12
The only person making judgement calls is you mrxx and if you bothered to remove the blindfold,you would see that the support for the drivers as victims of SNZ incompetence is the only thing shining through.
There are no winners in this situation and if anything,Paddy via his words and deeds,has shown hes a champion regardless of the result and im sure he has earnt a hell of a lot of respect with his humility,hes earnt mine.
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Post by scraggy on Feb 6, 2009 20:53:52 GMT 12
both highly respected drivers, who show class and respect of each other. The meeting was run ...... is over result given and now under review.
put concerns in writing or submission to SNZ and C.C Gisborne speedway club, so all can review and learn.
OK Gisborne may have had a cock up this time, sure it was not intentional, may call me biased for being Gisborne registered but I will tell you I have seen some worse run meetings in other locations this year.
remember speedway tracks are supported by volunteers, don't hang them out to dry or the higher the turn over of officials the more mistakes that will be made.
my 2 cents worth anyway
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Post by DTM1 on Feb 6, 2009 22:25:22 GMT 12
may call me biased for being Gisborne registered but I will tell you I have seen some worse run meetings in other locations this year. remember speedway tracks are supported by volunteers. Using other tracks and their incompetence as a gauge of your own,seems to be the latest tool in how a meeting is rated,unfortunately when its been pulled out for use in this case,its the drivers who get screwed by having excuses trotted out in mitigation,rather than an explanation on why it was allowed to get this far in the first place. What gives this incident the lead in the incompetence stakes,is not the fact it was a Sanctioned SNZ Title Event,but the fact that it was allowed to happen in the first place,especially when it didnt go unnoticed at the time. The volunteer line is another thats trotted out more and more in deflecting responsibility and its a line that perfectly pinpoints why speedway in NZ is going no where,except down the plughole. |
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Post by eddiek on Feb 6, 2009 22:49:15 GMT 12
Last I recall you had a nasty habit of blaming vollies for a lot of shortcomings in 'mediocre' meetings...
To be fair, you trot out buzzwords like "mediocre" and "incompetence" on a much too regular basis, getting offside with the folks who DO make all the difference, yet I don't see you out there doing the job, making improvements, bettering the sport, and getting hoardes of punters into the stands and venues.
Would you be by chance an armchair volunteer?
What do you plan on doing about it? Do you have a plan to put to clubs and see it through to its miraculous conclusion?
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Feb 6, 2009 23:09:34 GMT 12
... OK Gisborne may have had a cock up this time, sure it was not intentional, ... Correct me please if I'm wrong, BUT, from reading the reports - when it was pointed out to officials that a critical points calculation may be flawed, the officials chose to ignore this advise. The officials made a considered decision - intentional. The difference between folk is not whether or not we make mistakes, 'cause we all make mistakes. The difference is whether we acknowledge our mistakes and try to make good, learn from them, or hide from them, deny them! |
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Post by DTM1 on Feb 7, 2009 0:10:01 GMT 12
Mr Kyle,
Your defence of the incompetent and support of the mediocre is not unexpected,nor your decision to reply in response to my post,especially given my thoughts on volunteers and the fact that absolution from responsibility tends to be something that comes with the territory,along with the teflon coating.
Your other nonsense in regards buzzwords is actually the best part of your post,primarily due to questioning the frequency of use i have for the words on "a much too regular basis".....if mediocre and incompetent have become words used with regularity,its because they are the best words to discribe more clubs than not and so many of the teflon coated volunteers the sport attracts.
As for getting offside with people based on the comments i make,i actually dont care how many sensitive souls i offend and to level a charge of regularity and frequence of comment against me,only to follow it with the worn out classic about the level of my involvement in a club or whether i have offered to help the teflon soldiers etc etc.....is priceless.
As far as a plan for clubs is concerned ive got a guaranteed solution to deal with sports problems.......get rid of clubs controlling the sport,get rid of the committees of willing "volunteers" who wont accept responsibility for anything when they screw it up and who more than likely,through weight of numbers nationally,do more damage to the sport than assistance.
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Post by eddiek on Feb 7, 2009 0:53:55 GMT 12
Mr Kendel. (Wasnt that a song by Arrested Development?)
Lets hear your silver bullet. Blow by blow, detail by detail. Since the sport is obviously in need of your unique talents and dying without those unquestionably wise words.
Or better still select a club. Any club. Offer them as a case study and if they implement your ideas and suddenly become profitable, exciting and a huge crowd puller, with paid professionals doing all the work. For a good show, I'm sure the punters won't mind paying $79.99 plus booking fee for this to work. Volunteers would be a thing of the past, thered be no track staff to worry OSH about, comittees will be on salaries therefore having a vested interest in the events and ensure a good show was had by all... and best of all, you would claim the glory for doing what everyone else couldnt manage through all their years of hard work and biting reviews. You could make history in a single post.
Of course since TV crews would be standard, volunteer camerapeople such as myself would be gone, and youtube would be replaced by $30 per show pay per views.
Based on your comments of the last few weeks, it seems you as Dr DoNothing are far up the evolutionary ladder than the likes of... oh lets say the track staff... or the gate attendants... or the guys and gals that take the money at the turnstiles, and defininetly higher up than committee members, the guys that till the track and toil over the earth that our stars drive on... and the photographers and video guys that bring speedway to those who couldnt make it...
I am of course putting forward a best case scenario, based on you, your vision, and since you don't give a toss who you upset, everyone will of course appear with their wallets wide open, and the dollar bills floating out..... have you considered working in the oil industry by any chance?
Judging by that posting above - and all else that has spued forth from the unfortunate piece of hardware that has to live with the shame of being known as your keyboard, the mere fact that what you have previously posted has never been implemented is proof enough that what has spued forth from the unfortunate piece of hardware that has to live with the shame of being known as your keyboard was anything but practical in the first place.
So yeah in conclusion, and sorry to the other readers for wandering so far off topic here it aint funny- please explain your business plan, your ideas, how everything can be hunky dorey. If you cannot do that one little thing, I would suggest you find another forum to hang out on and annoy your superiors on. Because your superiors here - and thats everyone who's name isnt similar to that of a Bush Kangaroo - are getting mighty annoyed with you here.
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Post by DTM1 on Feb 7, 2009 2:13:41 GMT 12
To follow your script and rise to your challenge,would require that i give you both time and thought.
Being honest,those are two things im not interested in giving you,as that would mean i had some level of acknowledgement or respect for you which i dont,
As for your comment on my use of this site,superiors and annoyance level etc,untill informed otherwise,your sentiments are of no concern.
I find it amusing that you have appointed yourself to the position of some how being my superior,thats an appointment im duty bound to challenge and a challenge im looking forward to.
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Post by cabbydave on Feb 7, 2009 3:08:47 GMT 12
;D Where do we buy tickets for this challenge? ;D ;D How many laps will it be over and will you use volunteer lapscorers or computer?  Now now fellas dont get too serious |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2009 7:30:59 GMT 12
barry b if you have a problem with me supporting a man who has done a lot for me and is a great competitor then you need to have a think about it again // if shoe on other foot i think you said // No problem at all, I support the sport doing things correctly, this time the sport did not, and it's an unfortunate Paddy and Craig are the two drivers caught up in this one. Nothing against either driver, just the officials who didn't do their job up to the expected level of competence. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2009 7:41:44 GMT 12
Right, it's my thread and I can lock it
Only because some posters have gone wayyyyyyyyyyy off topic
Plus it seems most favour a shared title
Fully support both drivers
And accept the officials on the night have erred
Subject closed until the OFFICIAL verdict was out
And oh, the reason for the second thread, which seemed to upset 2 or 3 posters, was because the situation obviously wasn't finalised, as we've seen in Paddy's actions since, despite some wanting it to be so.
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paddy has worked very hard and dose not have to be judged on here when this situation should have been sorted at the track 
