NI Superstocks - Finals Night results thread (Read 49,586 times)

[tiroto]

Got back from Hastings yesterday and posting in an internet cafe at Taupo
Couple of highlights:

- First time at Meanee and thoroughly enjoyed the experience!
- Congratulations all placegetters especially local boy Joe Faram
- Well done 89 R for creditable 7th, 68 R -17 year old girl mixing with the big boys, 38 R tank can fly - watch out teams opponents, hard luck Stan and Scotty
- forgot that Meanee cash only no eftpos - bugger went to pub down road no problems
- that wall appears to lend itself to more action - dunno cars go up rather than in!
Thank you

[fearless]

"But... Who is going to slam the brakes on the instant they see a red light if they think that they could get hit by another competitor travelling at speed from behind (intentionally or not), let alone loose any advantage to other cars around the track."

I agree with that statement I would not like acouple of tonne of steel coming at 80-100k up the back of me.

Maybe flashing red to indian file then full red.
Drivers in the full heat of a race arn't always aware of reds when they do come on until they find another cars stopped.
Will be interesting to see what happens at Kihikihi semi daylight meeting driving into the sun,will be hard to see anything.

[Brett85p]

It's a tough one.

One option would be to make it that the drivers stop as quickly and safely as possible and then revert to the last recorded lap for a restart.
This is harsh on those who passed cars and have to pass again but no worse than getting passed on a red and not having the other driver put back. Also the leaders will loose the advantage of having put a gap on the cars following.

Single file restart could have many implications especially in a championship, new opportunities to take out the leaders and to block them on the restart.

No easy answer here, the primary concern is the safety of the driver that brought out the reds followed by a fair restart.

[Roxcyford]

when the reds come on put them into single line in order of the lap sheet before restarting isn,t that simple enough

[Admin]

Jan 5, 2010 14:36:56 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

when the reds come on put them into single line in order of the lap sheet before restarting isn,t that simple enough

could take a while to sort out though . personally I think it works pretty well as it is most times .

all it takes is the ref to ping an offender or two once in a while and the message will get through .

[fordzrule]

Totally agree with red lights and not stopping immediately,due to drivers not watching the lights but what the car is doing,looking in mirror at time lights go on,daylight meaning lights hard to see, etc,plenty of scenarios,just what people want is consistancy.Usually that comes about by those fans/crew watching certain cars at impact of red light and thinking their driver was pulled back and another wasn't.

Hard to see from outside must be darn hard on the infield with safety cars,tractors etc in the way.

[Deleted]

I had an idea yonks ago about a decent sized red light in each drivers car, which is operated by the referees at the same time as the track red lights wirelessly using a radio signal or whatever - I'm sure it would be inexpensive.

This way as soon as it was lit, they could hit the brakes with confidence that no one else will miss it and be hit in the rear. They all seem to have pretty good reaction times when the green flag is dropped, so shouldn't be much discrepancy in stopping times.

If it's in a prominent location in the car, no drivers could complain about not seeing the red lights, and would help when races are held during daylight hours. Would probably eliminate the need for red flag people on the infield too, making things safer.

[hercules]

The light wouldnt be expensive, its the radio equipment each light would need to run off the main light, and then youd need at least 26 but probably 52 of them to make sure you have enough to do the race and the following race.

I agree kihikihi will have a hard act, trying to run a meeting like this during the day, boy when those red lights come on there better be alot of eyes watching those cars as not many drivers will see a red light on the side of the track with the setting sun and what not.

[alloyplatypus]

Ive slammed cars on the red light and been slammed. Ive been passed, and ive passed on the red. The lights arent always noticed and since being hit i found it best to just cruise til i was in a safe position while keeping an eye in the rear view, but unless somthing innovative like Basils idea comes to fruition i cant see it changing. Another issue is that different tracks allow different things, so at some tracks you get people stopping on a dime so hard they spin themselves etc (baypark), while at others they can take half a lap with no issue (palmy).

Kihikihi in the daytime has very strong lights and use red flags from the infield as well, which probably stand out in a big way on the new white infield, but im sure that the NZ Champs is at night anyway with temporary lighting.

[carwrecker]

Just to chuck another curve ball in here on the RED light situation
If you remember back to the NZ Super Stocks last year at Christchurch
At the drivers briefing they said stop on the reds as soon as you can and the officials would then reposition cars back at the intervals they held prior to the reds being shown.
All good in theory
Unfortunately when it happened they did not and
Hence 98p lost a nearly 1/4 lap lead to a Christchurch car that then went on to Qualify
Net result Protest that was handled badly , appeal to SNZ ,SNZ back down and for the first time in SNZ history we had 27 official qualifiers for a NZ Super Stock champs.
There is no easy answer to this situation
Perhaps what needs to happen is some wise heads get together and start drafting a remit for the next rule making AGM.
Which by the way is actually latter this year.
As the Biannual AGM this year is a Special General meeting for the adoption of the new rule book
All this by the way should not detract from the excellent North Island Super Stocks
Well done Hawkes Bay

[pnspeed]

Jan 4, 2010 16:08:22 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

Jan 4, 2010 14:56:33 GMT 12 Couch racer said:

Any results for the second tier event?

It was just consolation races with 11 /10 cars more wanted to run but SNZ would not allow it as they did not run the night before even though it was just consolations the entry form stipulated the criteria of having to race in the qualifying to be able to run in the consolations so SNZ had to run with the entry form hence why there were only 11 in the consos

Hey Marty can you please quote me from the Entry Form where it stipulates you have to race in the Qualifying to be able to run in the Consolations. The entry form is still on the Hawkes Bay web site
www.hbspeedway.co.nz/wp-content/files/NI_Superstock_Champs09.pdf

I think you will find the Entry Form does not make any mention of Consolations. Maybe another case of an SNZ official making a decision not based on fact.

At least one Hawkes Bay SuperStock was sitting in the pits instead of racing on the second night, because of this incorrect decision?

[Topcat]

As usual we have all got opinions on how things should be done, that is called discussion, but a lot of decisions affect the outcomes of races/meetings. There are quite a number of competitors out there who take an obvious advantage on a red light by creeping in a few extra metres, we just have to rely on the race officials to penalise those who do it?? there lies the problem , to be fair they don't have eyes int he back of their head and when there is a full field on the track they can't see everything.

We come away from the North Islands with a range of lasting impressions from the event......

The price at the gate was good for a national title.
:-/From a personal point of view too many ministock races over the 2 nights, but didn't detract too much from the event.
Nice hot dogs and chips
Being able to go into the pits during the meeting
Dust on the first night....grrrrr
Eat my dust when the solo's raced on the centre track on the second night, couldn't see who was even winning or where the bikes were, just a big dust bowl, must have been horrid for the riders.
:)Good, well behaved crowd, no drunks to be seen - yahoo
:)Entertaining superstock racing on qualifying night, close fast racing without cars receiving too much damage.
Hard luck for Wayne Norris not qualifying, he had a horrid night on qualifying night.
:)Great to see Clive qualify, he was circulating real well until the dnf from the wheel/tyre incident.
:)Congratulations to all the qualifiers, it's a feather in your cap just to qualify these days.
:-XTo those that say nasty stuff about drivers not helping other drivers from their home track to win....a hello, this is supposed to be an individual championship, not a teams event.
:)Finals Night - Finals 1 & 2 , great stuff, hard luck to Andrew Harvey who was pulled off for his bonnet coming off. Final 3 - well it was all good until the red light incident. A couple more laps and Pete Rees would have really had himself in the picture.
A lot of reference was made to the fact Stan was 60 and out their racing, don't forget about Clive - who was 60 last year and still out there racing after his health issues - this is fantastic.
Leaving the track a little deflated, congratulations to all drivers and their placings. Had the red light incident with Joe Faram been dealt with by officials straight after the race ( ie the driver called up and an appropriate penalty been given - lets face it everyone that was there seen it happen and 4B was the only car to move on a red light, even Joblin waited until given the opportunity to free himself from the Steve Jude entanglement.... then the protest etc would have not happened.
Both Hemi and Faram drove well and were at the top of the list for honours, I don't feel Hemi did anything wrong, he was within his rights to protest, however he shouldn't have had to...the outcome will always be controversal and will leave a sour taste for both drivers.

All the discussion in the world won't change the result, that it wasn't clear cut and tidy, the main outcome is I bet that Joe Faram doesn't move on a red light again.
Will this be an issue at the NZ Champs, will drivers now think....nothing happens when you move on the red light so I might as well do it... I HOPE NOT.

[alloyplatypus]

I actually think that the opposite may happen.. From all accounts Wayne Hemi got away with it in the first 2 heats and even took out another competitor on the reds when noone knew what the outcome would be, and then, in desperation hypocritically protested Joe for doing something similar when it counted in heat 3. It was in his rights, but it will probably come back to bite him on his ass. At the NZs, if Wayne Hemi does not stop asap in any heat, i think he will be protested, and deservedly so... OR officials may keep a closer eye on 4b and moreso Red when they bring out the red.

[newbie10]

Why not just use the setup they have at the Dayntoa go kart tracks,you crash they hit a button and everyone slows down and theres nothing you can do about it.

[MadMarty13B]

Jan 5, 2010 23:39:53 GMT 12 pnspeed said:

Jan 4, 2010 16:08:22 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

It was just consolation races with 11 /10 cars more wanted to run but SNZ would not allow it as they did not run the night before even though it was just consolations the entry form stipulated the criteria of having to race in the qualifying to be able to run in the consolations so SNZ had to run with the entry form hence why there were only 11 in the consos

Hey Marty can you please quote me from the Entry Form where it stipulates you have to race in the Qualifying to be able to run in the Consolations. The entry form is still on the Hawkes Bay web site
www.hbspeedway.co.nz/wp-content/files/NI_Superstock_Champs09.pdf

I think you will find the Entry Form does not make any mention of Consolations. Maybe another case of an SNZ official making a decision not based on fact.

At least one Hawkes Bay SuperStock was sitting in the pits instead of racing on the second night, because of this incorrect decision?

That was the reason that Rod McNaughton gave me when I questioned him as I said to him there were several that wanted to race why couldnt they it is just consolation races and we only have 11 and he told me they way the entry form had been written his hand were tied and he couldnt allow it I took his word and never checked the entry form nor did the people that wanted to drive Murray Long was going to drive the Silver Bullet Ian Barron was going to drive 59B 28B Jason Palamount couldnt race the qualifying because he only had done 2 meetings and wanted to race in the consoloations as well forget the others.But that was the reason given by SNZ Bruce

[eddiek]

This was a good meeting, even after the protests and delays... and the dust. more than once I said that the truck came out a race too late... but none the less I really enjoyed spectating for the first time this season, and doing the old paparazzi thing. Hotdog Hildred thanks everyone for their comments, and is planning a new paint scheme for the 14B Saloon.





I did shoot some video, but it'll be a week before I can post it tho as Im away from my main computer..

Being on holiday is a wonderful thing

Of course Yaz couldnt resist an invitation to fire a few shots at passing cars.....



Then, she, GT and GH spotted me shooting back....

[mining 126]

i think the protest in heat 3 after the incident in the first heat red light that removed a competitor completely from that heat and effectively from the championship is the problem that really highlights the shortcomings of the red light rules , with the pace of these cars today a form of red light in car such as nascar use for yellow flags is required , yes it costs money but against the cost of these machines the initial outlay is tiny and will help remove the sour tastes and controversy of incidents like this

[Mike D]

Good Shot of Blue Thunder Eddie, where are you and Yaz off to next

[sexybabe]

Jan 6, 2010 12:04:51 GMT 12 @eddiek said:

This was a good meeting, even after the protests and delays... and the dust. more than once I said that the truck came out a race too late... but none the less I really enjoyed spectating for the first time this season, and doing the old paparazzi thing. Hotdog Hildred thanks everyone for their comments, and is planning a new paint scheme for the 14B Saloon.





I did shoot some video, but it'll be a week before I can post it tho as Im away from my main computer..

Being on holiday is a wonderful thing

Of course Yaz couldnt resist an invitation to fire a few shots at passing cars.....



Then, she, GT and GH spotted me shooting back....

Lol Eddie glad i not the only one ua snapped at lol George ua look sooooooooo lufflyyyyyyyyyy ( but you ate the track our side outta Hot Dogs lol )

[acorn]

;D But did any of you action man photographers get a picture of G H flat on his assss trying to get that close up action shot of two cars up the wall and on fire, sorry GH I know you would have been hoping no one noticed.