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Post by SpeedwayKing on Feb 6, 2012 12:23:57 GMT 12
heard about that guy when he threw a can at bengston hopefully they caught the guy yeah its frustrating to see the team you support and they lose but it wasnt the drivers fault it was all down to luck but at the end of the day its all about fun and having a great time
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 6, 2012 12:40:30 GMT 12
Unwritten rule in normal racing Pallmall most drivers just don't do it becuase it's dangerous I saw it to and thought it was a bit off. But teams is all or nothing so fair game but not good sportsmanship. Once again its code of ethics |
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2012 12:50:07 GMT 12
Wouldn't it be neat to have the code of ethics printed in the program?
R12-4-4 SUPERSTOCK and STOCKCAR TEAMS RACING RULES
(a) Teams races begin with clutch starts only. The display of red
light or flags signifies the stopping of a race immediately even if
your race is run. Competitors must not pass other competitors,
nor move to any other position unless instructed by an official.
Competitors may freely proceed under green or orange lights or
flags.
(b) Placing one or more wheels inside the pole line is considered
breaking the rules of racing, repeated offences may attract a
penalty and/or a fine.
(c) A competitor forced infield must give way once pushed over the
pole line and return to the race once the track is clear.
Passing inside the pole line will attract either a fine and/or the
team may be excluded. The infield is not for racing, any
vehicles on the infield must disengage from contact and return
to the track in the same corner or straight from which they left
the track.
(d) Attacking another competitor from inside pole line will attract
either a fine or individual exclusion on the driver and/or the
team may be excluded.
(e) Any competitor deliberately driving infield (to avoid oncoming
cars) for a sanctuary (to gain advantage) will attract a fine on
the driver, or the driver may be excluded.
(f) Forcing competing cars into stationary cars will attract either a
fine, individual exclusion and/or the team may be excluded.
The situation of stationary cars is of the utmost importance.
Competitors who wish to be removed from their vehicle must give
the "thumbs down” signal, motionless drivers will obviously
bring the race to a red flag stop.
Drivers on the racing surface in a blocking role will be
considered to be part of the race and must realise that
deliberate contact may occur.
Attacking cars MUST avoid cars that are in a non attacking
position.
(Any inference that one can legitimately hit all stationary cars
has been removed from the rules.)
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(g) Drivers must only drive in the correct direction. When the way is
blocked by the wall or another vehicle one may reverse to clear
the obstruction.
Drivers must not travel in the wrong direction unless the way is
blocked by the wall or another vehicle.
When travelling in the wrong direction as just mentioned the
track must be clear of on-coming vehicles, deliberate contact
when travelling in the wrong direction will attract a fine, and/or
individual exclusion, and/or the Team may be excluded.
(h) Drivers may select reverse gear to move in the race direction
without penalty.
Drivers may select reverse gear to cross to the track surface
from the infield by the shortest route. When travelling onto the
track as just mentioned the track must be clear of on-coming
vehicles.
Drivers who reverse travelling in the wrong direction to
reposition on the track will attract a fine.
(i) The winning team will be decided by 'first past the post' or
points. Promotions must clearly advertise the chosen system
and any points that will be awarded.
(j) Team managers must act in a responsible and professional
manner and may seek verbal clarifications from the Steward
and drivers representative. Team managers may assist with
paper work requirements and gain driver's signatures as
required.
The Team Manager's name must be submitted at the time of
team entry, any changes to team or manager to be submitted in
writing to the Steward of the meeting.
(k) Abusive conduct by competitors and/or managers against other
competitors or officials will be treated as a breach of conduct
and may attract a penalty on the team concerned.
(l) When a senior Referee is in control of teams racing, NO protests
can be entered into.
(m) Penalties - at the discretion of the referee
(i) Fine: $100 to $1,000
(ii) Individual Exclusion (from the meeting). An exclusion in
any one race by a non winning driver is not a penalty.
(iii) Team Exclusion
(n) Appeals are permitted.
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Post by thereal888 on Feb 6, 2012 12:52:31 GMT 12
I have to agree, I'm all for rivalry, villains and heroes but the abuse is uncalled for. I really hope its only a small group that are drunk and being idiots. Totally agree with this, its all good to be anti any team, but have the balls and dignity to clap for any team that deserved and did beat your team on the track without silly ref decissions, abuse is uncalled for seriously... Yes well said guys couldn't agree more. Be humble in defeat and party in the wins, come on people!!! |
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Post by specks on Feb 6, 2012 14:01:37 GMT 12
fans grizzling about rees not being put back in semi ? yes he should have but he had 150m of clear track in a run to the line and it wouldnt have made any difference.Maybe you should give credit to rees for one of the greatest individual efforts in a team race that I have seen and also climb in to the Rotorua team who have 4 or 5 cracks at him and couldnt stop him.they had their chances. Anti - P ? this whole smash the P thing is really becoming very boring now and i hope it eventually becomes extinct like the Bring Back Buck (at least BBB was funny and had a bit sense to it). Everyone has their heros and a team they wish to "hate" that is part of sport and whats keeps us coming back for more. But when it leads to abuse of drivers - the actual guys putting body and car on the line - its time to stop and think. Cans being biffed at the panthers during the parade ? drivers being abused in the Pits ? and the lowest of all bengston being pelted when getting out of his rolled car (Mintie I hope you go ahead with your threat to post that blokes photo !) ? Come on people get a grip ! The only thing this will lead to is a far greater security presence with a much harder line (and increased costs of tickets) and banning of fans from the pits after the meeting has commenced. Is this really where its getting to - good grief grow up ! The final Unlike Ritchie Mccaw the Tigers injured captain couldnt get thru and I reckon thats what cost the Tigers. They were a man down after half a lap and the Panthers smelled blood and went for it in one of the most clinical dismantling of an opposition you will see in a final. This ruined the final as a specatacle but even the rabid Tigers supporters behind us had to just sit back and watch a class team show us all how it is done. The whole event was fantastic. Bruce, Puk and the team have been listening to the fans and making adjustments along the way. A transparent draw, independant officials, no toss and team intros between races,great infield commentary. what more could you ask for ? Roll on 2013 ! floyd yr posts are rite on the money..... please stop it as I have nothing to say now..... and as I like to hear the sound of my own voice I find Im just repeating what yr already sayin!! but yea coul;dnt aggree more |
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Post by specks on Feb 6, 2012 14:03:15 GMT 12
thats the point though - the whole smash the P IS leading to personal abuse of the drivers. i have no issue with people holding up the Panthers as the villians - its all part of the spectacle. and hey if you think that Palmy fans dont know what it feels like to have a team that doesnt win anything try supporting our rugby team. we aint won anything for 30 years which coincidentally is about how long the teams champs has been going. hey maybe thats the problem - the Panthers stole the Turbos mojo ! Ditto sheess ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 14:12:29 GMT 12
Maybe the drivers wont want to race any more if this ABUSE is not sorted how would everyone feel then with no drivers and no teams.
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2012 14:15:47 GMT 12
thats the point though - the whole smash the P IS leading to personal abuse of the drivers. i have no issue with people holding up the Panthers as the villians - its all part of the spectacle. and hey if you think that Palmy fans dont know what it feels like to have a team that doesnt win anything try supporting our rugby team. we aint won anything for 30 years which coincidentally is about how long the teams champs has been going. hey maybe thats the problem - the Panthers stole the Turbos mojo ! Ditto sheess ! While I have never been a fan of the 'smash the P' slogan I don't think it's a big part of the drunken mob mentality that's happening at Palmy. The problem is purely down to the people causing the problems. Triple security next year and chuck out the low life would be my preference. That and sell the cans one at a time. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2012 15:26:49 GMT 12
Peter Rees states in today's Manawatu Standard that he has no problem with the "Smash the P" slogan, that he realises it's all a bit of fun. Personal abuse is not............
Article maybe on-line? Entitled "Alcohol fuelled abuse disgusts Rees". It's a good read..........
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Post by boner87 on Feb 6, 2012 15:27:54 GMT 12
So time for my 2 cents. I went both nights and i enjoyed probably a couple too many ales. This year we decided to wear pink robes painted up to support the panthers. At no point did any of our group abuse anybody supporting any other team but seemed to cop all sorts of abuse (including personal abuse not just against palmy). I met quite a few people over the weekend and 75% were welcoming of the dressing up in costumes etc. It seems to be the groups or individuals that go to one meeting a year think they know everything that ruin the event for everybody. This really annoys me as i have gone to speedway most of my life and know that when a desicion is made to accept that refs call, to acknowledge top racing from teams and drivers. Banning alcohol may work but will never stop idiots being well idiots.
I think the racing over the weekend was great top stuff to all the crews, drivers, officials that help make this meeting possible. Congats to the panthers and bring on 2013.
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Post by rebelnvodka on Feb 6, 2012 15:34:50 GMT 12
Peter Rees states in today's Manawatu Standard that he has no problem with the "Smash the P" slogan, that he realises it's all a bit of fun. Personal abuse is not............ Article maybe on-line? Entitled "Alocohl fuelled abuse disgusts Rees". It's a good read.......... It is a good read  www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/6371809/Alcohol-fuelled-abuse-disgusts-ReesMaybe just cordon off a big area around the teams cars like other motosport teams do in the pits, so fans can still view without being in the way |
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Post by iaccelerate on Feb 6, 2012 15:55:40 GMT 12
I have to agree, I'm all for rivalry, villains and heroes but the abuse is uncalled for. I really hope its only a small group that are drunk and being idiots. Well ya said it for me. Like Rees said in the great read someone linked us to. All the abuse is most likely alcohol driven idiots that dont know the rules to it. It seems that after Teams we always bring up the conversation of alcohol at speedway and should it be banned or not. Woodford Glen is alcohol free and theres no problems (minus my mate that gets worked up a tad easy) although you do get the odd people that manage to sneak it through wrapping it up in blankets or something. The question comes up again. Is alcohol ruining our sport? |
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Post by Couch racer on Feb 6, 2012 16:06:16 GMT 12
Is this whole situation not the same reason that Craig Boote walked from the sport some years ago. You've got to wonder if he's questioning his decision to come back after seeing everything going on over the past two night.
We don't need this crap ruining our sport and I agree with Pete Rees about no public in the pits after racing starts and half an hour after its finished. Gives everyone a chance to load up gear and hopefully the brain dead will have gone home.
Unfortunately not just confined to the track, some of the posters on here need to be sorted as well as some of the rubbish that was being posted was getting a bit personal as well.
I think is saw somewhere that "iaccelerate" was coping abuse at the end on facebook, who needs that when he and Mr Magor did an fantastic job over the two nights keeping everyone up to date with points. Much appreciated.
It needs to be addressed as we can't afford to lose people like Peter Rees, Wayne Hemi, and Craig Boote due to a few brain dead idiots.
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Post by chris on Feb 6, 2012 17:04:44 GMT 12
Ok, just to throw a really big spanner in the works. Why is it that Palmy never pull off repeat wins @ Auckland Teams nationals like they do down there? For all you P supporters are you able to explain this. Also, alot of other sport codes use a video ref, why can't this be the same in speedway? It would also take away all the confusion over where cars are positioned when red lights come on, etc...
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Post by Skorp on Feb 6, 2012 17:31:24 GMT 12
Ok, just to throw a really big spanner in the works. Why is it that Palmy never pull off repeat wins @ Auckland Teams nationals like they do down there? For all you P supporters are you able to explain this. Also, alot of other sport codes use a video ref, why can't this be the same in speedway? It would also take away all the confusion over where cars are positioned when red lights come on, etc... The Panthers have pulled off repeat wins at Auckland, maybe not to the level they have at home in Palmy, but they defiantly have gone back to back several times, I think they even had a hat trick at both Palmy and Auckland at the same time, i think from 2006-2008. It might even have been four in a row at both events from 2006-2009, but someone else who knows more about the Auckland Teams event can correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by fearless on Feb 6, 2012 17:44:18 GMT 12
I love my speedway but really getting sick of some of the politics and childish behavior that's sneaks into the sport. I haven't been to palmy-teams the last two years because of the drunken and abusive behavior that has crawled into the spectors.
Its a shame that the sport is being wrecked by a few. Palmy may need a of a tidy up before I venture down that way again. But I also believe we need to take action ourselves. If so have the low life next to you and they won't to take a polite request to quieten down or move on. Take it up with the management and don't take no for an answer.People knocking on the promoter door through-out a meeting the promoters will start to get the message.
I don't want the place to turn into a church, but people must be able to enjoy themselves and the racing.
Look at the Wellington Rugby Sevens, 31000 people of that 28 evictions and no arrest this year, compaired to last year 76 evictions, 16 arrests. they are taking security and enjoyment seriously compared to last year.
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Post by joshnz on Feb 6, 2012 17:46:18 GMT 12
where ever theres people drinking youll have problems speedway or not.
People drink there self stupid and go out of control.yelling screaming,fighting,abusing drivers Drinking should be banned i go to watch the racing not to get drunk and cause nuts
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Post by zeppelin on Feb 6, 2012 18:05:43 GMT 12
It sounds like alcohol is still fueling some of these muppets that go there to get drunk & just create havoc...they are not the real race fans, but generally just idiots looking to upset people...I had a really bad incident back in 1998 when I was there with my in laws, my two little boys & partner. We had alcohol spilt on us & cigarette ash dropped on my partner...I told the party concerned to give it a rest & copped a mouthful of abuse....
I did bring this up with the people in the office who got one of the people in charge to come & have a chat with us. They looked after us really well.
So what I am getting at is that it has been going on for far too long & I agree it should be banned or restricted in some way...It is disgusting that competitors are copping personal abuse as well, it is not on.
Let's hope that something can be put in place to so this can be averted in the future problems with unruly drunks...
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Post by Couch racer on Feb 6, 2012 18:15:25 GMT 12
Ok, just to throw a really big spanner in the works. Why is it that Palmy never pull off repeat wins @ Auckland Teams nationals like they do down there? For all you P supporters are you able to explain this. Also, alot of other sport codes use a video ref, why can't this be the same in speedway? It would also take away all the confusion over where cars are positioned when red lights come on, etc... Personally don't think a video ref is the ticket. You would lose half the night while they assessed what had happened and you would need ten cameras to make it happen. Maybe for teams you need a few more refs or "touch judges" the lovely (touch judge) from the Sevens would get my vote...... but then I wouldn't see much racing. |
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Post by openwheelfan on Feb 6, 2012 18:17:09 GMT 12
OK My 10c worth...  The dickhead that threw cans at Peter Bengston (twice) was sitting just along from us. Big guy painted orange head to foot... Seen him around and if I see him again I'll pass on my disgust. Question is why didn't I sort it on the night? Because he had a group around him all bigger than me!  and all liquored up... Palmie won because they were fricken awesome. Peter Rees is a machine and all the cars are incredibly strong and well developed. Did they get a few calls go their way? Well possibly but at the end of the day its not the ref ya gotta beat its the other team. Palmie vs Rebels: The call by the Palmie (yes he is Palmie) Senior ref to the (Rotorua) ref through the radio placing the cars after the rollover was wrong, and Bengston was given 5-6 car lengths. Was it deliberate? Only he knows that. However it didn't effect the result. Bengston was a couple of car lengths ahead of the 2 rebels guys before the rollover and barring a bad restart had it in the bag with 150m to go. All the Ref did was give him some room if he mucked up the restart The rule about rejoining after getting pushed onto the infield needs to be sorted. Everyone barring Palmie did a loop and rejoined where they got pushed off, Palmie just kept their foot up it and rejoined... I believe rule is that you rejoin without gaining advantage over the aggressor car. I noticed that as the weekend went on the loop got dropped by the others The Ref had a couple of cars parked for mechanical issues. Firstly its not the Ref that makes technical calls, he makes racing calls. If a car looses a bonnet that is not a racing issue, and actually its not a technical issue either. All in all we had a huge weekend and I take my hat off to the teams and the Palmie track. Every year you guys put on the best speedway event of the year. Gutted that Nelson was too beaten up to up a fight in the final but |
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