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Post by muncho on Feb 8, 2012 4:56:28 GMT 12
Ill start by saying what an awesome win to the panthers!!! wooohoooo ;D However,after taking s#!t from rotorua fans all weekend (about 6 girls dressed in cowboy hats and entourage,all with rebel gear on) i decided to give a bit back on night 2.Now i dont mind a good bit of banter,but these sore losers were just pathetic.First of all when rees car caught fire 1 of them thought it was good to keep screaming out "burn ya bastard" and "let him burn".Second when they put out rees fire they were enraged!! "Get the fu#@en cheat off" and "palmy c#!t" F this F that etc etc.If any of you girls are reading this 1) Go read the rulebook before you mouth off and 2) Its only sport!! Did i say congrats to the mighty panthers?  Must also add,i had some tigers fans next to me who were also sick of the abuse they were saying.Never thought id agree with tigers fans ;D ;D PS had great pleasure in farewelling them when the panthers won the final ;D |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 8, 2012 6:10:02 GMT 12
Would it be fair to say alcohol was involved?
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Post by fordzrule on Feb 8, 2012 6:14:24 GMT 12
Agree there,it's a debate whether a fire extinguisher is outside help,my opinion yes but is a safety issue only,not like he got help restarting as an example.Imagine if he said thumbs up,burnt brake lines and (when fire out by itself),got to end of straight and up through the wall into crowd.
Same thing every year at Bathurst,good nature banter between ford and holden,we gave it back but when it looked like ford would win man the hard core holden fans went septic and really was brawl time in areas,and that applies to ford fans as well,seems good humour is ok till the guy you give it too gets pissed off,personally I don't get to stage of decking anyone even when I loose,but like roadrage some idiots out there.
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Post by Ugmo on Feb 8, 2012 7:05:21 GMT 12
If there's one thing I hate more than sore losers, that would be sore winners  I hate palmy but even I'm forced to admit that the team is pretty darn good, there I said it. But it's the fans who get in your face and abuse you when they win that are the ones that need there heads looked at as they should be happy and celebrate. |
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Post by Backskidder on Feb 8, 2012 7:47:51 GMT 12
Ill admit I was a more than a little frustrated with the Rees/Fire incident. Being a Rotorua supporter and thinking he should have been sent off for outside assistance but as mentioned earlier..its debateable. I think the only way to stop the harrasment the P drivers get is to re-look the rule book, make sure everything is clear and understandable, and to also enforce the rules that are in it. In regards to the pole line rule, if someone does cross it, it doesnt matter if they gain and advantage by 1m or 20m - the rule is there and needs to be enforced. Get a clear set of rules, enforce them, get more refs if need be - that way if Team A wins its fair and square and because they were the better team - I think the majority of people know its not the Palmy drivers making the sketchy calls that gets the crowd riled up - Even this R supporter will admit they are a great team - its the calls being made by the refs that is causing all the issues and it does need to be addressed. All in all, another great weekend
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Post by muncho on Feb 8, 2012 8:04:01 GMT 12
If there's one thing I hate more than sore losers, that would be sore winners I hate palmy but even I'm forced to admit that the team is pretty darn good, there I said it. But it's the fans who get in your face and abuse you when they win that are the ones that need there heads looked at as they should be happy and celebrate. You either missed my point ugmo or just wanted to have a sneaky dig  Have nothing against rotorua fans,people who admittedly hate the p (like you) or anyone else,was just trying to explain that if you can dish it out,you gotta learn to receive a bit back! I dunno what planet you live on but from a panthers supporters point of view,we get a lot more nuts thrown at us then any other team so would think having a yeeehaaa yahhooo WHEN WE WIN would be justified somewhat dont you think? I think its called passion.The same thing you do when hating the p. |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 8, 2012 8:15:26 GMT 12
If there's one thing I hate more than sore losers, that would be sore winners I hate palmy but even I'm forced to admit that the team is pretty darn good, there I said it. But it's the fans who get in your face and abuse you when they win that are the ones that need there heads looked at as they should be happy and celebrate. As a staunch Panthers supporter, I agree. Dickheads in the pits abusing people are dickheads no matter where they come from, same with the ones in the crowd. They all need to be told to pull their heads in or find somewhere else to spend their weekend. I had family members sitting in the grandstand and on the second night they moved and went and sat with friends in the general admission areas as the people them were being a bit abusive and they didn't feel safe. If I had known they had moved during the night I would have told them to ask security to keep an eye on them. No one should have to do either of those things. The only reason we should need security at speedway is for criminals breaking into cars. |
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Post by Ugmo on Feb 8, 2012 8:18:05 GMT 12
If there's one thing I hate more than sore losers, that would be sore winners I hate palmy but even I'm forced to admit that the team is pretty darn good, there I said it. But it's the fans who get in your face and abuse you when they win that are the ones that need there heads looked at as they should be happy and celebrate. You either missed my point ugmo or just wanted to have a sneaky dig Have nothing against rotorua fans,people who admittedly hate the p (like you) or anyone else,was just trying to explain that if you can dish it out,you gotta learn to receive a bit back! I dunno what planet you live on but from a panthers supporters point of view,we get a lot more nuts thrown at us then any other team so would think having a yeeehaaa yahhooo WHEN WE WIN would be justified somewhat dont you think? I think its called passion.The same thing you do when hating the p. I think you missed my point you can yehaa and yehoo all you want, just dont get in the faces of those who are suffering from the loss. Friendly banter is fine and there are boundaries. You know the best way to get back at those people, walk up to them, shake there hand and say "tough luck, see you next year when your boys try again." Trust me it hurts them more than firing abuse as there is no comeback |
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Post by muncho on Feb 8, 2012 8:33:16 GMT 12
You either missed my point ugmo or just wanted to have a sneaky dig Have nothing against rotorua fans,people who admittedly hate the p (like you) or anyone else,was just trying to explain that if you can dish it out,you gotta learn to receive a bit back! I dunno what planet you live on but from a panthers supporters point of view,we get a lot more nuts thrown at us then any other team so would think having a yeeehaaa yahhooo WHEN WE WIN would be justified somewhat dont you think? I think its called passion.The same thing you do when hating the p. I think you missed my point you can yehaa and yehoo all you want, just dont get in the faces of those who are suffering from the loss. Friendly banter is fine and there are boundaries. You know the best way to get back at those people, walk up to them, shake there hand and say "tough luck, see you next year when your boys try again." Trust me it hurts them more than firing abuse as there is no comeback Ok point taken although im guessing you dont dish out any barbs when the panthers are getting beat either Yeah right. Funny thing is they tried stealth like to leave but i quietly mentioned better luck next year,and i wasnt the only one to farewell them! Even had a couple nelson and waikato fans giving them the raspberries when they left.BTW i never fired abuse at them at any stage,wit was all that was needed  |
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 8, 2012 8:36:21 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy"
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Post by muncho on Feb 8, 2012 8:39:21 GMT 12
Would it be fair to say alcohol was involved? Nope.....which gives them NO outlet to blame,not that being pissed should make things more excusable.Just pathetic,like the clown throwing cans at the drivers.Ban him for life. |
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Post by muncho on Feb 8, 2012 8:42:13 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy" By the way the arena emptied when palmy beat nelson in the final,this thread should reach record posts ;D |
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Post by mxraca on Feb 8, 2012 8:44:07 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy" Jelious!!!!! |
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 8, 2012 8:53:20 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy" By the way the arena emptied when palmy beat nelson in the final,this thread should reach record posts ;D Maybe some of them wouldnt mind sharing their reasons. I suspect it is mostly due to the fact we win alot and in NZ we dont seem to like winners. But tell me if im wrong |
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Post by hemi1969 on Feb 8, 2012 9:24:09 GMT 12
Palmy are a good team, cant deny that, but you cant help but notice the 'one eyed' officials stance in these events ...... on many occasions in the past it appears to be one rule for palmy and another for drivers without a 'P' on their car.
The fire extinguisher scenario is a good one, Mr Rees stays on the track after receiving 'outside assistance' by way of a fire being put out which would otherwise have resulted in him having to jump out of his car (if left) - had this been a Nelson car perhaps .... off to the middle they would have been sent. Another classic is the moving of cars when the reds come on, 90% of the time the P cars are left where they lay and the poor soles who dont have that 'magic' P get shunted 10 meters or so back ....... c'mon, this is pretty basic stuff, move them all back as the chances of it affecting the outcome of the races in question are slim but you cant help but ask the questions?? and to be honest, this happens an aweful lot!!
It was a bloody good weekend of racing and the best team did win on the night, to top it off, it was good to see people taking shots at the palmy cars for once!!!
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Post by Backskidder on Feb 8, 2012 9:41:13 GMT 12
Palmy are a good team, cant deny that, but you cant help but notice the 'one eyed' officials stance in these events ...... on many occasions in the past it appears to be one rule for palmy and another for drivers without a 'P' on their car. The fire extinguisher scenario is a good one, Mr Rees stays on the track after receiving 'outside assistance' by way of a fire being put out which would otherwise have resulted in him having to jump out of his car (if left) - had this been a Nelson car perhaps .... off to the middle they would have been sent. Another classic is the moving of cars when the reds come on, 90% of the time the P cars are left where they lay and the poor soles who dont have that 'magic' P get shunted 10 meters or so back ....... c'mon, this is pretty basic stuff, move them all back as the chances of it affecting the outcome of the races in question are slim but you cant help but ask the questions?? and to be honest, this happens an aweful lot!! It was a bloody good weekend of racing and the best team did win on the night, to top it off, it was good to see people taking shots at the palmy cars for once!!! This is exaclty what most people are seeing, which all relates back to the rule book needing to be tidied up and more independant refing. I agree with the R cars being moved back and the P car not..we saw it happen and even though it didnt (and probably wouldnt) have affected the outcome or the result however there is a chance he could have muffed the start and there would have been a huge uproar if that happend and the R car lost by 5meters or so. There are many theories on what the ruling is in regards to the fire. If someone could clear that up with facts or a quote from the rule it would be much appreciated. People are saying drivers are getting Pd off and one day teams wont enter the event..well, same goes for spectators, I know they are getting frustrated with the dodgey calls being made and I even heard a couple infront of us say "whats the point in comming back each year when we know whats going to happen" Sad, but you can see their point of view. The Panthers are a great team, they deserved the win but every year it seems to get overshadowed by some dodgey calls. |
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Post by supastocknut on Feb 8, 2012 10:04:20 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy" Ok i will bite lol ;D There is a common miss conception here and that is usually based around two different words being used, 1) Panthers 2) Drivers. I hate the panthers with a passion always have but in saying that i don't dislike the drivers, in fact i even follow two of them on a regular basis, my partner likes three of them and follows with interest, but the moment they put on the panther body work they are the mortal enemy, why is that hard to understand?? There has also been some dodgy calls over the years that have gone the panthers way and yes this is not fault of the drivers but fault of SNZ Refs During the Semi between Rotorua and Palmy rees put his left front wheel over the pole line on two different occasions, now this is not rees bashing nor am i trying to take away what was a brilliant drive by him, fact is he did. my point here is, also taking into consideration the fire on night one, is how can a car that catches fire and is put out by marshals not be considered outside help??? if they didn't put it out he would have burnt to a crisp. if a car is up the wall they are removed for safety reasons?? how is this different, how is rees wheel over the pole line not considered a rule break?? Unfortunately this is a SNZ failure but fans will always see it as Panthers getting favoured, Fans will always take their frustration out on them rather than where it should be pointed..........at SNZ Refs Good example a few years back Miers came out in the tank for the final but was not happy with the rollcage repairs so was allowed to change cars on the infeild which took some time, what rule allows this was alot longer than a 3 minute bell, again will be seen as favouring the panthers and again fans get frustrated..........SNZ need to sort this. over the years there have been many reasons to dislike the panthers which include a Mr West abusing the nelson crowd, calling them everything under the sun and to go home they are not wanted, reason?? nelson fans were throwing water bombs at them during grand parade, funny thing about it was Miers had a big chilly bin full on his car and throwing them back!!! Remember it is a dislike to the panthers and not the latest crop of panther drivers, there is a difference!! So now you know some things that other non palmy fans may be thinking, those are some of my reasons there are many more..............you asked, so don't moan!! lmao ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 10:20:40 GMT 12
Before the meeting on finals night the commentators explained the fire thing after talking to the referees.
The primary cause of the red light was to check Rees' rollcage after the rollover, as is permitted under the rules before letting him continue.
As the fire flared up after the red light, it was not the primary cause of the stoppage. If the race was stopped for a car on fire, then they would be removed.
Apparently this is the ruling they have always used, you may not agree with it (i'm not saying if I do or not), but that was their explanation.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 10:23:39 GMT 12
The ref is a little quicker and a little more clued up than most hyped up (and in some cases liquored up) fans I suspect Basil, not that most would ever admit it, especially where it involves the Panthers......
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Post by supastocknut on Feb 8, 2012 10:24:49 GMT 12
Sweet basil, no i never heard that, so that explains why, all good. so is this a possible case they need someone in the know to explain at time of incident why he is not being removed, by a head offical and not just a commentator, could this solve alot of the problem?  ? ;D |
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Must also add,i had some tigers fans next to me who were also sick of the abuse they were saying.Never thought id agree with tigers fans ;D ;D
Have nothing against rotorua fans,people who admittedly hate the p (like you) or anyone else,was just trying to explain that if you can dish it out,you gotta learn to receive a bit back! I dunno what planet you live on but from a panthers supporters point of view,we get a lot more nuts thrown at us then any other team so would think having a yeeehaaa yahhooo WHEN WE WIN would be justified somewhat dont you think? I think its called passion.The same thing you do when hating the p.
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