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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 10:27:19 GMT 12
There has also been some dodgy calls over the years that have gone the panthers way and yes this is not fault of the drivers but fault of SNZ Refs There have been calls against the Panthers in the past also, but people forget these. There are also calls that go for and against every other team. This is a result of having human beings in control of our sport. The top referees at the Teams Champs aren't from Palmy, so if there are officiating errors in your opinion (which is inevitable) that you perceive going Palmy's way more often than not, then it's a coincidence. You could argue the event, and therefore the promoters, would gain more from other teams winning. Truth is, everyone else needs to lift their game. Ask yourself what your favourite team did this season to try and make themselves better than the Panthers? |
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Post by supastocknut on Feb 8, 2012 10:33:05 GMT 12
yeah fair call Basil but is this a sign we need change?? should refs be using video footage??? should we have refs in the grandstands that would have a better view of pole line infringements etc i hate seeing a refs call change outcomes regardless of who is racing who and yes i agree there have been calls go against the panthers, all i am looking for is the best possible solution to avoid unfair calls or missed calls.
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 8, 2012 10:33:58 GMT 12
There has also been some dodgy calls over the years that have gone the panthers way and yes this is not fault of the drivers but fault of SNZ Refs There have been calls against the Panthers in the past also, but people forget these. There are also calls that go for and against every other team. This is a result of having human beings in control of our sport. The top referees at the Teams Champs aren't from Palmy, so if there are officiating errors in your opinion (which is inevitable) that you perceive going Palmy's way more often than not, then it's a coincidence. You could argue the event, and therefore the promoters, would gain more from other teams winning. Truth is, everyone else needs to lift their game. Ask yourself what your favourite team did this season to try and make themselves better than the Panthers? I still really have not heard a reason that doesnt boil down to they dont like Palmy becasue they win alot. The drivers seem to appreciate what it takes to win teh Team Champs for example when Nelson destroyed Palmy a couple of years back Palmy were on the Track applauding Nelson as did Nelson this year to Palmy. If the drivers can appreciate excellence why cant the crowd? Instead of looking for any excuse get up clap and say maybe next year - |
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Post by tigersfan on Feb 8, 2012 10:33:59 GMT 12
i copped plenty from panthers fans both nights in the grandstand and while 95% of it was in good fun, acouple of the drunken plonkers seem to take it to far,
abusing a 6yr old boy in a tigers shirt and hat is going abit far,
the panthers are kinda like the auckland rugby team of the 80s in my eyes, theres a hell of alot of respect for them, but all the oppostion fans want them beaten on the track,
the one thing that happened over the weekend that id like to hear about was the Simon Joblin - Dale Ewers entanglement, what happened afterwards,
could dale have used the 83n car in the final if his wasnt up to racing?
again thanks to palmy for putting up with all of us up from the mainland, was an awesome weekend
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Post by Backskidder on Feb 8, 2012 10:37:42 GMT 12
yeah fair call Basil but is this a sign we need change?? should refs be using video footage??? should we have refs in the grandstands that would have a better view of pole line infringements etc i hate seeing a refs call change outcomes regardless of who is racing who and yes i agree there have been calls go against the panthers, all i am looking for is the best possible solution to avoid unfair calls or missed calls. - Will cut out a lot of the drunken abuse towards drivers too. |
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 8, 2012 10:37:49 GMT 12
i copped plenty from panthers fans both nights in the grandstand and while 95% of it was in good fun, acouple of the drunken plonkers seem to take it to far, abusing a 6yr old boy in a tigers shirt and hat is going abit far, the panthers are kinda like the auckland rugby team of the 80s in my eyes, theres a hell of alot of respect for them, but all the oppostion fans want them beaten on the track, the one thing that happened over the weekend that id like to hear about was the Simon Joblin - Dale Ewers entanglement, what happened afterwards, could dale have used the 83n car in the final if his wasnt up to racing? Yes i beleive he could have driven the 83N. Or the could have used the 5th car |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 10:40:36 GMT 12
yeah fair call Basil but is this a sign we need change?? should refs be using video footage??? should we have refs in the grandstands that would have a better view of pole line infringements etc i hate seeing a refs call change outcomes regardless of who is racing who and yes i agree there have been calls go against the panthers, all i am looking for is the best possible solution to avoid unfair calls or missed calls. Everything is a compromise. Can you possibly imagine the whinging about extra cost to spectators or SNZ licence holders, and / or getting home from the meeting at midnight after all the replays needed? In order to increase the accuracy of decisions from say 90% to 99% (pulled those numbers out of the air!), would it actually make the event any better? A lot of sports with a lot more popularity and money than speedway are struggling with these issues at the moment. At the end of the day it's sport / entertainment, perfection is unnattainable and I think we should all enjoy it for what it is. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 10:46:24 GMT 12
Ask yourself what your favourite team did this season to try and make themselves better than the Panthers? Borrowed some Palmerston North contracted drivers for the weekend? The biggest problem appears to be PN supplies about 50% of the drivers that are willing to teams race, and the majority of tracks can no longer field a team - let alone a competitive one - without ring-ins. This is not good. Who did not use a ring-in of some sorts at the weekend? |
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Post by Backskidder on Feb 8, 2012 10:49:43 GMT 12
yeah fair call Basil but is this a sign we need change?? should refs be using video footage??? should we have refs in the grandstands that would have a better view of pole line infringements etc i hate seeing a refs call change outcomes regardless of who is racing who and yes i agree there have been calls go against the panthers, all i am looking for is the best possible solution to avoid unfair calls or missed calls. Everything is a compromise. Can you possibly imagine the whinging about extra cost to spectators or SNZ licence holders, and / or getting home from the meeting at midnight after all the replays needed? In order to increase the accuracy of decisions from say 90% to 99% (pulled those numbers out of the air!), would it actually make the event any better? A lot of sports with a lot more popularity and money than speedway are struggling with these issues at the moment. At the end of the day it's sport / entertainment, perfection is unnattainable and I think we should all enjoy it for what it is. I for one would be more than happy to pay an extra $5-$10 ( as an example) If it meant that any infringements would get dealt with. Not necessarily meaning stopping a race but having someone spot an infringement, nofity the ref, they can look at it and then relegate if need be. you would cut all the slagging off about drivers cutting pole line and the whole crowd saw it apart from the ref which is currently happening and leaving fans feeling like they are just witnessing blatant favouritism towards some teams. |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 8, 2012 10:50:36 GMT 12
Ask yourself what your favourite team did this season to try and make themselves better than the Panthers? Borrowed some Palmerston North contracted drivers for the weekend? The biggest problem appears to be PN supplies about 50% of the drivers that are willing to teams race, and the majority of tracks can no longer field a team - let alone a competitive one - without ring-ins. This is not good. Who did not use a ring-in of some sorts at the weekend? Palmy Mustangs Nelson Rebels Lions?? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 11:01:48 GMT 12
Borrowed some Palmerston North contracted drivers for the weekend? The biggest problem appears to be PN supplies about 50% of the drivers that are willing to teams race, and the majority of tracks can no longer field a team - let alone a competitive one - without ring-ins. This is not good. Lol, I worked it out - it's more like 30% I wouldn't have a problem with Palmy contracted drivers being farmed out to race for their local team, more like State of Origin. Of course they may not want to... |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 11:09:52 GMT 12
Borrowed some Palmerston North contracted drivers for the weekend? The biggest problem appears to be PN supplies about 50% of the drivers that are willing to teams race, and the majority of tracks can no longer field a team - let alone a competitive one - without ring-ins. This is not good. Lol, I worked it out - it's more like 30% I wouldn't have a problem with Palmy contracted drivers being farmed out to race for their local team, more like State of Origin. Of course they may not want to... Knew 50% was high, but knew you'd work it out haha. I dare Bruce to give the old heave-ho to to all non-local residents ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 11:13:21 GMT 12
I dare Bruce to give the old heave-ho to to all non-local residents ;D ;D Just for Teams Champs tho eh  ;D |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 11:14:02 GMT 12
Borrowed some Palmerston North contracted drivers for the weekend? The biggest problem appears to be PN supplies about 50% of the drivers that are willing to teams race, and the majority of tracks can no longer field a team - let alone a competitive one - without ring-ins. This is not good. Who did not use a ring-in of some sorts at the weekend? Palmy Mustangs Nelson Rebels Lions?? Palmy (Penn, Joblin and 6th driver Hemi) Mustangs (McCabe, Joblin and Joblin) Nelson Rebels (Osborne) Lions (ring in cars, but I think that's acceptable ;D ) Depends on your definition of "ring in" eh |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 11:15:43 GMT 12
I dare Bruce to give the old heave-ho to to all non-local residents ;D ;D Just for Teams Champs tho eh ;D I'll get back to you on that one  But that'd be a good start in rendering that Teams Champs to it's former glory, before it gets called the Tuppaware Teams Championship....... |
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Post by knownotmuch on Feb 8, 2012 11:56:57 GMT 12
Why do people hate Palmy? Is it because we win more than most or drivers choose to rave at Palmy rather than their track. I would love to hear people reasons as to why the "Hate Palmy" Most people I know (including myself) that want to see the Panthers beaten every time they hit the track, don't hate them at all. We love teams racing and want every contest to be an epic battle. The Panthers have certainly been involved in a few, but they have also been involved in more walkovers than any other team, which is a bit boring to be honest. The Panthers are too likely to win to get much outside support. Most teams fans support two teams, our home team and anyone racing the Panthers. Does that mean we hate the Panthers? Not at all, we are just passionate teams racing supporters. We have had the pleasure of interviewing the Panthers members as individual races, and found them all to be a great bunch of drivers, so any attitude from us of wanting the Panthers to lose is certainly not personal. |
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Post by supastocknut on Feb 8, 2012 12:00:00 GMT 12
yeah fair call Basil but is this a sign we need change?? should refs be using video footage??? should we have refs in the grandstands that would have a better view of pole line infringements etc i hate seeing a refs call change outcomes regardless of who is racing who and yes i agree there have been calls go against the panthers, all i am looking for is the best possible solution to avoid unfair calls or missed calls. Everything is a compromise. Can you possibly imagine the whinging about extra cost to spectators or SNZ licence holders, and / or getting home from the meeting at midnight after all the replays needed? In order to increase the accuracy of decisions from say 90% to 99% (pulled those numbers out of the air!), would it actually make the event any better? A lot of sports with a lot more popularity and money than speedway are struggling with these issues at the moment. At the end of the day it's sport / entertainment, perfection is unnattainable and I think we should all enjoy it for what it is. So if perfection is unatainable we just ignore the issue and carry on? i am sure we all agree that perfection is not possible but trying to improve is. Why is it you start screaming costs??? i am not saying view every replay looking for fault, but this could be used in regards to double checking what was seen was in fact seen correctly, used as back up like most tracks still use manual lap scoring in case the electronic lap scoring fails. Pole line infringements have been a big factor this year and even some refs admit seeing the pole line from the infield is difficult. why does every ref have to be on the infield??? why can't some be in the stands??? if anything they would more than likely get a better view full stop. Everyone moans regarding refs calls and abuse of drivers etc etc etc, so why not attempt to fix some of these issues. A ref that can explain incidents such as rees's fire at time of incident would be great, you can't tel me small ideas like the above will blow the buget!!! ;D |
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 8, 2012 12:00:09 GMT 12
I dare Bruce to give the old heave-ho to to all non-local residents ;D ;D Just for Teams Champs tho eh ;D Christ If he did that your teams for the Champs would be Nelson tigers Great Britain Rotorua Rebels Palmy Panthers Manawatu Mustangs Terrace End Terrors Green n White Machine Bunnthorpe Bashers Foxton Fiends Highbury hoods |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 8, 2012 12:15:28 GMT 12
The way some of this sports so called passionate fans rubbish it and those that put soo much time and effort in to it i wouldnt be surprised if guys start walking away from all the B.S  What buisness is it of ours if these guys want to race at different tracks?? Some of them have been contracted to those tracks longer than new drivers have even raced for their local track... Probably 90% of sports teams representing Region or above would have so called ring ins-i dont get what all the fuss is about. The Tigers have really lifted their game over the last few years by setting a goal to beat the Panthers they havent sat back and whinged about it they have got on with the job and built a great group of dedicated people...and look at their results of late. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2012 12:23:49 GMT 12
Everyone moans regarding refs calls and abuse of drivers etc etc etc, so why not attempt to fix some of these issues. A ref that can explain incidents such as rees's fire at time of incident would be great, you can't tel me small ideas like the above will blow the buget!!! ;D It was the last race of the night, so there was no chance to chase up the officials and relay a response to the masses before they departed. It really only became obvious some fans had an issue with it after racing had concluded anyway. The explanation was offered before racing on Night 2, which realistically was as soon as it could be passed on to fans under any circumstances. |
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