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Post by BarryB on Nov 27, 2014 14:48:01 GMT 12
The Team GB cars had that last season and i thought was great idea! Drivers names HAVE to be on the cars in the UK. A remit to get the same rule introduced here failed........ Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Nov 27, 2014 14:51:52 GMT 12
One thing to keep in mind is that EVERYBODY commenting on here (macgor's) is a speedway fan/addict already. Bruce's idea is to make things easier to understand for those that are NOT currently fans. A casual attendee is far more likely to turn into a regular if it's easy to follow what you're paying to watch.
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Post by tank11 on Nov 27, 2014 17:18:01 GMT 12
One thing to keep in mind is that EVERYBODY commenting on here (macgor's) is a speedway fan/addict already. Bruce's idea is to make things easier to understand for those that are NOT currently fans. A casual attendee is far more likely to turn into a regular if it's easy to follow what you're paying to watch. Barry B Not so aftera teams event, I hazard a guess Barry. The first thing they would think of is " the crazy F***ers" that do that for fun.......... They may ask someone nearby "who did that???" but more than likely just have the whole show sink in. |
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Post by mudman on Nov 27, 2014 18:47:04 GMT 12
I would like to see them run their normal race numbers. it adds a little personality to the drivers. how many times have we argued with our mates or been disappointed with the review write up because someone has got their lions crossed with who did what to who?
consecutive numbers are great or numbers with a theme, eg. 11 22 33 44 55 66 or 26 36 46 56 but numbers that aim to confuse like rotorua rascals and auckland alleycats only confuse the spectators and lap scorers and should be outlawed.
I have seen a victory handed to a team due to number confusion before a few years back and would hate to see it happen again.
Clean, clear numbering systems are what we need
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Post by craige on Nov 27, 2014 19:36:00 GMT 12
I'm with Regan on this, as he said Mr McCaw plays 6,7 and 8. So wears the number where he starts the game. It is a team sport, no a Ritchie and the rest game. Teams are the same, Regan feels pride in racing as 32b, maybe more proud than 52b? I don't think one car can register as 2 numbers Regan. yup.green sheet the car twice.once under 52b and once under 32b.....52b regan..32b chris his dad  ..............oppps my cars knackered can I borrow yours dad for the weekend .problem solved |
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Post by tank11 on Nov 27, 2014 20:10:48 GMT 12
I'm with Regan on this, as he said Mr McCaw plays 6,7 and 8. So wears the number where he starts the game. It is a team sport, no a Ritchie and the rest game. Teams are the same, Regan feels pride in racing as 32b, maybe more proud than 52b? I don't think one car can register as 2 numbers Regan. yup.green sheet the car twice.once under 52b and once under 32b.....52b regan..32b chris his dad ..............oppps my cars knackered can I borrow yours dad for the weekend .problem solved Chassis tags and engine seals would be the same. May get away with it, but I can't see they would allow it. |
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Post by speedwayfan on Nov 27, 2014 20:43:29 GMT 12
Just saw a photo on Facebook of a Nelson Tiger with a team number on it (83n) even though his normal race number is 861n. But then also saw a photo of A.Rees' Super with his normal race number on it (126p)...
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Post by Ben Biggs on Nov 27, 2014 21:15:11 GMT 12
That is because at the Challenge Cup this weekend the Tigers can race with their usual 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 etc. 83 is Ricky Boulton by the way lol. Hope I can work out all the others! lol
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Post by percy on Nov 27, 2014 21:32:42 GMT 12
I'm a big fan of this rule which is being run as a local rule for the Palmy Teams Champs and Auckland Teams Nationals.
Teams racing is the pinnacle of our sport and it is a unique product that other forms of motorsport can't replicate. Teams racing is a great way to promote our sport to new fans.
The idea is (for instance) someone in Auckland watches the Teams Champs. He see's this driver named Carl Hodge who produces spectacular hits and leads his team to some great victories. The fan is impressed and decides this is someone worth following.
He hears an ad on Radio Sport a couple of weeks later advertising Superstocks at Waikaraka Park. The fan goes to his first speedway meeting. He remembers that big 11a he saw on the side of the Carl Hodge car during the Teams Champs. When he see's the 11a roll out the gate at Waikaraka Park he knows that's his man. That's Carl Hodge.
Anyone who read Percy's NZ Speedway over the weekend would have noted my difficulty in providing an accurate account on which drivers were involved in which incidents. The Teams numbers make it darn hard for reporters, particularly Rotorua and Auckland.
I will add that it is fairly easy for drivers to get around the rule by changing their regular racing number. To those drivers I ask they consider the bigger picture. We are supposed to be a spectator sport. We need to ensure that spectators know whose who on the track and with the advent of live streaming we need to ensure the people watching around the world know whose who. There is no rational reason to run teams numbers. Teams should be trying to win races on the basis of blocking and running, not through numerical confusion.
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Post by tank11 on Nov 28, 2014 7:13:20 GMT 12
I'm a big fan of this rule which is being run as a local rule for the Palmy Teams Champs and Auckland Teams Nationals. Teams racing is the pinnacle of our sport and it is a unique product that other forms of motorsport can't replicate. Teams racing is a great way to promote our sport to new fans. The idea is (for instance) someone in Auckland watches the Teams Champs. He see's this driver named Carl Hodge who produces spectacular hits and leads his team to some great victories. The fan is impressed and decides this is someone worth following. He hears an ad on Radio Sport a couple of weeks later advertising Superstocks at Waikaraka Park. The fan goes to his first speedway meeting. He remembers that big 11a he saw on the side of the Carl Hodge car during the Teams Champs. When he see's the 11a roll out the gate at Waikaraka Park he knows that's his man. That's Carl Hodge. Anyone who read Percy's NZ Speedway over the weekend would have noted my difficulty in providing an accurate account on which drivers were involved in which incidents. The Teams numbers make it darn hard for reporters, particularly Rotorua and Auckland. I will add that it is fairly easy for drivers to get around the rule by changing their regular racing number. To those drivers I ask they consider the bigger picture. We are supposed to be a spectator sport. We need to ensure that spectators know whose who on the track and with the advent of live streaming we need to ensure the people watching around the world know whose who. There is no rational reason to run teams numbers. Teams should be trying to win races on the basis of blocking and running, not through numerical confusion. And when the fan turns up to WP and sees Carl just racing on a normal night, goes "gee, where's the big hits?" |
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Post by brettb44s on Nov 28, 2014 11:28:17 GMT 12
Percy.. while I hear what you are saying..Re Carl Hodge scenario..That same person that saw him in his Blue allstars body with his team number is going to look for the same Blue car with his Number..If his car is say Orange..that doesn't mean it isn't confusing? The Track announcer will be calling him Carl Hodge with his number..as every track announcer does...Secondly you say its a spectator sport.. I as a driver sort of disagree...I race my car to Race it..and race with the other drivers..I dont turn up to race for the spectators..They are there to enjoy what WE put on...Im not saying they aren't part of it..but go back to when speedway started.ther drivers built cars and raced them..There wasn't prize money etc..so the spectators help with that side....Cars in any forum are raced as the drivers want to race them..Not because there are people watching..The spectators come after they hear how good it is to go and see... I think part of speedways problem in general is making it what spectators want ..I know its a vicious circle but just think about what im saying... we all do whatever sport we choose because we enjoy it...If you go to anything ..you as the spectator need to find out about what it is youre watching...and if you are interested you will.As I sadi just my thoughts but read and think about what im saying..And your last comment..Anything you can do to confuse your opposition is good...its a mind game teams racing not just big crashes.. how many of the greats do you see just destroying there cars when they don't have to.?
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Post by brettb44s on Nov 28, 2014 11:42:06 GMT 12
I know im going to be shot down here..But most competitors fund their racing from their own back pockets..The prize money isn't what we all race for..it helps towards costs..but realistically if competitors are going to spend $150k upwards on a new race vehicle for approx. $30k of prizemoney available in a season..then they are doing it for their enjoyment...Most spectators watching wouldn't know how much money is spent on cars.....some have good sponsors that help...and its all part of the show..The spectators pay money to watch the spectacle...End of story..Then they complain that the cars don't hit so its not as good...It would take forever to argue the points but all im saying is I personally don't see how a different number changes anything..Speedway people that Know drivers etc will know what the drivers they follow are doing..Not every driver..but the ones they want to see..
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Post by stretch67 on Nov 28, 2014 12:43:29 GMT 12
well my 7yo boy sat in kyle frasers baypark busters car and then when he saw highlights of the next time the busters raced knew that it wasnt same car with that number so how hard can it be also did it with ian clayworths car in tigers colours and then recognised it racing in its normal livery so i personally cant see why its an issue with team numbers
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Post by BarryB on Nov 28, 2014 14:03:18 GMT 12
Percy.. while I hear what you are saying..Re Carl Hodge scenario..That same person that saw him in his Blue allstars body with his team number is going to look for the same Blue car with his Number..If his car is say Orange..that doesn't mean it isn't confusing? The Track announcer will be calling him Carl Hodge with his number..as every track announcer does...Secondly you say its a spectator sport.. I as a driver sort of disagree...I race my car to Race it..and race with the other drivers..I dont turn up to race for the spectators..They are there to enjoy what WE put on...Im not saying they aren't part of it..but go back to when speedway started.ther drivers built cars and raced them..There wasn't prize money etc..so the spectators help with that side....Cars in any forum are raced as the drivers want to race them..Not because there are people watching..The spectators come after they hear how good it is to go and see... I think part of speedways problem in general is making it what spectators want ..I know its a vicious circle but just think about what im saying... we all do whatever sport we choose because we enjoy it...If you go to anything ..you as the spectator need to find out about what it is youre watching...and if you are interested you will.As I sadi just my thoughts but read and think about what im saying..And your last comment..Anything you can do to confuse your opposition is good...its a mind game teams racing not just big crashes.. how many of the greats do you see just destroying there cars when they don't have to.? Just remember also that the club that provides you with the facility upon which to race your prized possession relies heavily upon it's paying patrons to fund their stadium and your racetrack, so without them you would no longer have your 1/4 mile of dirt. I say that does make it a spectator sport. Yes, it is a vicious cycle, of which no party should be forgotten. Considering most drivers are in their normal bodywork much more often then their team guise, it's about not being as confusing when they do dress as a team, not the other way round as you have used in your example. When the Busters fist went 111m, 112m, 113m, 114m, 115m & 116m (Square Bush) in 1992, it was easy to tell them apart due to the individual car shapes. As macgor pointed out earlier, that is often no longer the case....... Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Nov 28, 2014 14:05:50 GMT 12
well my 7yo boy sat in kyle frasers baypark busters car and then when he saw highlights of the next time the busters raced knew that it wasnt same car with that number so how hard can it be also did it with ian clayworths car in tigers colours and then recognised it racing in its normal livery so i personally cant see why its an issue with team numbers That's why it's virtually a pointless argument on macgor's - most WON'T be able to get the point because they already know their cars etc. Look past what we currently have, and towards what we could have. Barry B |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Nov 28, 2014 16:10:57 GMT 12
So if I go racing and get hurt and then our 6th driver hopes in my car does that mean we have to take a spare set of numbers for him cause then everyone will think its me and he will give me a bad name if he does something wrong.
For the last 15 years of so we have had teams with team numbers and it looks more professional than everyone running there own. The commentator gets peoples names mixed up on a normal night in palmy so imagine if there is a 52B and a 52P on the track at the same time, Joblin will take all my credit for a big hit lol.
LEAVE IT AS IT IS!!
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Post by tank11 on Nov 28, 2014 16:26:07 GMT 12
So if I go racing and get hurt and then our 6th driver hopes in my car does that mean we have to take a spare set of numbers for him cause then everyone will think its me and he will give me a bad name if he does something wrong. For the last 15 years of so we have had teams with team numbers and it looks more professional than everyone running there own. The commentator gets peoples names mixed up on a normal night in palmy so imagine if there is a 52B and a 52P on the track at the same time, Joblin will take all my credit for a big hit lol. LEAVE IT AS IT IS!! You have nothing to worry about with the reserve driver giving you a bad name Regan,,,,,,,,,,,lol. Are you implying the Joblins don't hit?  ? |
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Post by Jeffery on Nov 28, 2014 17:44:49 GMT 12
So if I go racing and get hurt and then our 6th driver hopes in my car does that mean we have to take a spare set of numbers for him cause then everyone will think its me and he will give me a bad name if he does something wrong. For the last 15 years of so we have had teams with team numbers and it looks more professional than everyone running there own. The commentator gets peoples names mixed up on a normal night in palmy so imagine if there is a 52B and a 52P on the track at the same time, Joblin will take all my credit for a big hit lol. LEAVE IT AS IT IS!! You have nothing to worry about with the reserve driver giving you a bad name Regan,,,,,,,,,,,lol. Are you implying the Joblins don't hit? ? I think he's implying he wants to race for the mustangs? Has the Hawkeyes team been named? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 18:33:28 GMT 12
I'm a big fan of this rule which is being run as a local rule for the Palmy Teams Champs and Auckland Teams Nationals. Teams racing is the pinnacle of our sport and it is a unique product that other forms of motorsport can't replicate. Teams racing is a great way to promote our sport to new fans. The idea is (for instance) someone in Auckland watches the Teams Champs. He see's this driver named Carl Hodge who produces spectacular hits and leads his team to some great victories. The fan is impressed and decides this is someone worth following. He hears an ad on Radio Sport a couple of weeks later advertising Superstocks at Waikaraka Park. The fan goes to his first speedway meeting. He remembers that big 11a he saw on the side of the Carl Hodge car during the Teams Champs. When he see's the 11a roll out the gate at Waikaraka Park he knows that's his man. That's Carl Hodge. Anyone who read Percy's NZ Speedway over the weekend would have noted my difficulty in providing an accurate account on which drivers were involved in which incidents. The Teams numbers make it darn hard for reporters, particularly Rotorua and Auckland. I will add that it is fairly easy for drivers to get around the rule by changing their regular racing number. To those drivers I ask they consider the bigger picture. We are supposed to be a spectator sport. We need to ensure that spectators know whose who on the track and with the advent of live streaming we need to ensure the people watching around the world know whose who. There is no rational reason to run teams numbers. Teams should be trying to win races on the basis of blocking and running, not through numerical confusion. That's a very romantical idea of what we'd like to think happens when new people come to a speedway meeting Percy. As Regan has said we have had team numbers for 15 years now, and I have yet to see a compelling reason to change the system other than a few people find it hard to remember who's in a certain car, which could be said for the New Zealand Superstock Champs, I'm pretty certain not even the most dedicated fan could remembe,r off by heart, every single competitor who is racing, and that's using their racing number, not a team number. And then there are programmes and commentators, message boards and social media etc and even the person sitting next to you who can help if you are not aware of a driver change. If the numbers are too confusing like Auckland and Rotorua , then a rule change to only allow double digit numbers would be a more effective way of solving this minor issue with teams racing. |
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Post by percy on Nov 28, 2014 20:56:57 GMT 12
Regan, my mother mistook you for Marty Cooke at the Huntly Teams event
Need any further reason to use the same number?
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..............oppps my cars knackered can I borrow yours dad for the weekend .problem solved 
