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Post by Gordon on Dec 30, 2014 18:56:36 GMT 12
People need to remember that most serious spectator of the sport go to see which driver and team can adapt best to the track and condition on the night - not how pretty or similar to a street car the look (just watch other classes). The saying - look are only skin deep comes to mind.
Good on Lance for getting a new car and wish you all the best when you get the car to the track.
Just on another note remember Shane McIntyre won all the SSCAR series to 2011 in these cars he built before moving South and now the series is been dominated by Mark Osborne in one of Shanes cars. This along with him also been a 1NZ and 2NZ in the past. Now days along with excess weigh and busy building more of these top class race car for us to watch he could probably still be entertaining the crowds more often.
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Post by BarryB on Dec 30, 2014 19:20:10 GMT 12
little or no return to entertain you the public that go watch. I doubt there is a single competitor in any speedway class that races for this reason! Mark Osborne regularly states in interviews that's a huge part of his motivation whenever he races. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 22:27:51 GMT 12
And free Big Mac's?
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Post by rotceh on Dec 31, 2014 4:59:17 GMT 12
New to writing threads but old in years around Motorsport so just a couple of thoughts.
For years people watching Motorsport have said that it would be good to have drivers in similar cars to get a comparison on drivers ability rather than the size of a cheque book. I know the cheque book can still be a factor to a point but at least things are closer
Mainly in speedway, don't fans choose between who they support more for the driver rather than the type or make of a car.
Dont we remember an event by what happened from an entertainment point of view rather than the shape or look of a car.
For me, it is the value for money through entertainment of close and exciting racing so if there are a number of cars that look the same so be it, as long as the racing is hard and fast I am happy
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Post by jimmyj on Dec 31, 2014 8:29:28 GMT 12
It is good to see drivers in much the same car BUT no matter what motor sport involved the bigger the cheque book the better you are able to race
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Post by rotceh on Dec 31, 2014 8:34:59 GMT 12
Yip total agree but the use of as many of the same components and chassis as each other will help reduce the impact of the cheques book hopefully.
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Post by TrevG on Dec 31, 2014 9:11:54 GMT 12
It is good to see drivers in much the same car BUT no matter what motor sport involved the bigger the cheque book the better you are able to race JJ don't wish to disagree but can you please explain your point. Hypermacs are all pretty much the same except maybe small horsepower differential. We have seen Steve Flynn with the smallest engine horsepower side by side lap after lap with Mark Osbourne. Also in the same car which is not out of the Hypermac stable being 1NZ and 3NZ. And would not have any relation to the big dollar numbers some quote. At the end of the day it comes down to having a competitive car in whatever class and the ability of the crew and driver combination to be able to read the track condition, how many laps, where you are in relation to other cars and driver ability and heaps of other aspects. I personally think it is a lame and poor excuse to blame lack of dollars invested for not winning. |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 31, 2014 9:35:25 GMT 12
TrevG, your comment, '...I personally think it is a lame and poor excuse to blame lack of dollars invested for not winning'. In 2014 the investment in the car, the ability to purchase, maintain and replace as necessary, the very best of components is a critical factor in our sport and far from lame.
Equally critical are the skills sets of the driver and support team on the night, no question, BUT make no mistake, if you can't afford or choose not to invest in the very best, you will NOT be up there with the very best night after night. Steve F has amazing skills on the track and in the workshop.
I have a munted car after Baypark on Saturday, the tyres are old and tired like the driver, the shocks off the shelf basic 3 seasons and older in age, the car is 1988 and has 48% rear weight. The new cars (saloons) are 52/53% rear weight. I'm out there but let's not kid ourselves, basically my roll is one of 'filling', someone to make the hot shots look good! Yes there are exceptions, but they are few and far between and getting fewer!
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Post by jimmyj on Dec 31, 2014 10:05:32 GMT 12
Trev just remember the Flynn boys car is a copy off the Hypermac.I am sorry but unless you have a bigger cheque book for tires ,gas shocks and the list goes on you will as Murray said run in the middle to rear .
Look at the likes of the Hardings and Cardwells how much it costs them ,With Mark osborne I don't know 100% but it seems he has a really good crew and he himself is a excellent driver .I have heard he has 1 guy on the crew who knows everything about the car and can read what a race track will do .
I personally really pleased for Lance to have this opportunity in his new car because he has really struggled with the old car but he is not done with yet by a long way .Up to Baypark he was 3rd on the points with his older car .No flash tires no gas shocks .
He knows full well it will take a while to settle into his new car but when he does these young boys better look out ,
Just another thing Trev is on a slick track big horse powered cars have nothing .You and I both know that is when Steve goes the best /
Last thing I can say the car was put on here as a favour for people who maybe won't see it for a while .Don't slag off the Jennings race team about the look of a Hypermac,try Shane if you want
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Post by midway on Dec 31, 2014 12:31:55 GMT 12
The Jennings family Lance & Jean all the best with there new Hypermac ,And i bet the late Glen Turner has a smile on his face as well ,regardless of any thing else you both as a team ,bought thousands of dollars into clubs through out the country enjoying the sport of speedway.
All the best for 2015
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Post by rotceh on Dec 31, 2014 13:23:55 GMT 12
We need to remember what pretty much all of the drivers, family members and crews go through. I have been a team manager and head crew chief albeit in circuit racing but the time and investment for all involved with a team is huge. Rather than knock what team owners and teams do, appreciate them and end enjoy for what they are doing for us, the paying public.
Alot of people say they do understand the commitment and what is evolved to turn out a car week in and week out but until you are in the thick end of envolvement with the a race team it is actually hard to understand and appreciate what is truly required from all envolved.
Without the commitment to time, support and energy required for these teams, we could all be sitting at home watching TV.
All the best to Lance and his team with the new car and I am sure that this is one competitor that most of the supporters of speedway hope they do well.
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Post by sonic33 on Dec 31, 2014 13:54:14 GMT 12
I used to coach tennis, many moons ago. Some kids had Ma and Pa throw a lot of dollars at little Johnny and Joanne with coaching and the best racquets etc, to become the next big tennis star. Some of those were never going to be an even average tennis player, at best, and some were destined to crash and burn.
The same analogy can be used with motor racing. Some great talented drivers can win with an average car, some average drivers make a big dollar car seem a dog, and when you get a great driver in a car with all the goods, then they dominate. Of the few cars I have owned I bought a good car, so I knew if I wasn't doing good it was my fault. I may have fallen into the crash and burn category, but I had fun doing skids, and certainly had no thoughts of setting the world on fire
Some cheque book racers couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dogs bum, but hey they are out there doing it.
On a slightly different subject, some are soo competitive that only a win will do, and others are happy to participate and any result is a bonus. It depends what you are in the sport for. I seriously think those in it for fun usually don't come away disappointed, where those with an " I must win" approach must walk away most nights not fulfilled. Each to their own.
Congrats on the new package Lance, I look forward to seeing it in action. As per normal presentation is tops.
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Post by stockyracer on Dec 31, 2014 14:05:30 GMT 12
5 hours agojimmyj said:
It is good to see drivers in much the same car BUT no matter what motor sport involved the bigger the cheque book the better you are able to race.
could you say the same for 492I then. big check book, hyper mac chassis with latest gear yet fairly average saloon car driver. it wouldnt matter what car mark osbourne drive or class. he is an out and out race car driver. put him in anything and he would perform.
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Post by jimmyj on Dec 31, 2014 14:27:23 GMT 12
Fair comment but I never saw him race anything else ,He sure has the goods for sure and I at the moment think he would be hot favourite for # 3
Saying that in a super he has a well recognised car
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Post by sonic33 on Dec 31, 2014 15:12:39 GMT 12
5 hours agojimmyj said: It is good to see drivers in much the same car BUT no matter what motor sport involved the bigger the cheque book the better you are able to race. could you say the same for 492I then. big check book, hyper mac chassis with latest gear yet fairly average saloon car driver. it wouldnt matter what car mark osbourne drive or class. he is an out and out race car driver. put him in anything and he would perform. Within reason you are correct, Mark is a great driver. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has had to race anything but the best. A great driver, ( team ) and great gear. |
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Post by TrevG on Dec 31, 2014 15:55:26 GMT 12
[quote Mark is a great driver. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has had to race anything but the best.
A great driver, ( team ) and great gear. [/quote]
Many years ago I remember seeing Mark driving a Saloon at Rotorua before the track was extended and was very tight for Saloons yet Mark was so smooth and unbeatable back then.Maybe Sonya could give us a little more detail.
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Post by TonyG188r on Dec 31, 2014 16:24:42 GMT 12
Mark hasnt always had the best gear, hes a better driver than the gear he has had, i remember back at school in his rx7 drifting the streets before drifting existed being a boy racer he was a freak behind the wheel... transfered into speedway quite clearly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 17:13:53 GMT 12
Chequebooks do not always win races.
Weight balance, correct tyre pressures, reading the track amongst other things will help tho.
Get this thread back on track, its getting boring.... Thanks..
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Post by mrrx on Dec 31, 2014 17:25:21 GMT 12
love to get him in our rotary powered saloon and see what he did with it not sure he would want to but if he did the offers there
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Post by knownotmuch on Dec 31, 2014 18:12:27 GMT 12
I'm looking forward to see how Lance goes in the new car, hopefully he will be at the pointy end of the field at the NZs. He's not too bad for a driver that has been around for 4 decades.
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