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Post by boner87 on Feb 8, 2015 19:32:13 GMT 12
Just after watching the racing at the weekend the Auckland Allstars enlisted the help of Gavin Taniwha. He ran his standard stock with hoosiers bolted on.(correct me if I'm wrong) During the racing he was having not much trouble keeping up with some of the supers.
If anyone watches the all stars races the pace between the two "different" cars are still quite similar in speed.
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Post by nfsbullet on Feb 8, 2015 20:58:43 GMT 12
speedwayads.co.nz/Stdstocks/Stockcar16v/Stockcar16v.htmlJust seen this massive price drop in reguards to an entry level car for an unbelievable price now my question is if this was to go ahead would this be in the std dtocks or the stocks class i guess im still looking at the lower end of the budget debate...
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Post by nfsbullet on Feb 8, 2015 21:02:51 GMT 12
Just after watching the racing at the weekend the Auckland Allstars enlisted the help of Gavin Taniwha. He ran his standard stock with hoosiers bolted on.(correct me if I'm wrong) During the racing he was having not much trouble keeping up with some of the supers. If anyone watches the all stars races the pace between the two "different" cars are still quite similar in speed. i thort he was just running the standard stock chassis but still running the v8 and hosiers if was running the stock motor then dam he done exceptionaly well!!! |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 8, 2015 21:20:54 GMT 12
Still running a V6, last time I talked to his crew about the car running as a superstock the only change was tyres
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Post by tank11 on Feb 8, 2015 22:11:27 GMT 12
Just after watching the racing at the weekend the Auckland Allstars enlisted the help of Gavin Taniwha. He ran his standard stock with hoosiers bolted on.(correct me if I'm wrong) During the racing he was having not much trouble keeping up with some of the supers. If anyone watches the all stars races the pace between the two "different" cars are still quite similar in speed. Actually a stockcar, top end too. What the proposal is, is that a standard stock would be standard parts , controlled by SNZ. |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 8, 2015 22:43:51 GMT 12
Just after watching the racing at the weekend the Auckland Allstars enlisted the help of Gavin Taniwha. He ran his standard stock with hoosiers bolted on.(correct me if I'm wrong) During the racing he was having not much trouble keeping up with some of the supers. If anyone watches the all stars races the pace between the two "different" cars are still quite similar in speed. Actually a stockcar, top end too. What the proposal is, is that a standard stock would be standard parts , controlled by SNZ. I know this. I was just saying have the two classes become to similar well here's the evidence right in front of us |
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Post by chev74p on Feb 9, 2015 22:17:20 GMT 12
Only change to that car is tyres. Still has restrictor plate etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 5:55:45 GMT 12
Only change to that car is tyres. Still has restrictor plate etc. they did the same thing with the 218H of Aaron Alderton. They only changed tyres and he came 6th in the grand prix at Huntly. In one race the stock car turned the fastest lap too - now what does that mean against all those superstocks? |
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Post by 95c on Feb 11, 2015 8:06:14 GMT 12
not surprizing at all restrictor plate was good on standard motors but now you can cnc stockcar heads ,plus the cams they are using lol and then that bloody big high rise carb,its out of control CHEV CRATE MOTOR IS THE GO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 16:05:51 GMT 12
not surprizing at all restrictor plate was good on standard motors but now you can cnc stockcar heads ,plus the cams they are using lol and then that bloody big high rise carb,its out of control CHEV CRATE MOTOR IS THE GO thats why its being trialled in superstocks isnt it? how is that going to help the standards? |
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Post by 95c on Feb 11, 2015 18:45:34 GMT 12
5500 was the price I was given today land and gst paid cant even get avg stockcar motor for that, think you would be surprized how many of the slower car would go that way
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Post by ATK on Feb 12, 2015 15:29:39 GMT 12
Would it be easier for supers and stocks to both be bought back a notch and restricting the power output of supers to a certain limit and making stockcars completely standard instead of having three classes??
My reasoning being with all the scrutiny on driver safety in superstocks at the moment the best way to limit that would be to slow them down a fraction. Also with stockcars becoming to pricey for some to compete at a decent level due to the mass expense some go to just to be at the pointy end makes alot of people think twice before even considering getting into the sport.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 16:49:31 GMT 12
I like your thinking ATK - but maybe instead of restricting power output in the top grade, we should just go through the rules of the lower class and tighten them up instead.
Heres a few areas that need work...
Suspension and diff =
Ironforce charge $3300 for a full floating diff. - thier website
Cardwells charge $3321 for a superstock quickchange. - trademe
Both leagal in superstocks, but the quickchange is illegal in standards because it "would give too much advantage to the bigger budget racers" bit late for that, they got the same advantage with the way its setup now.
Carburettors =
Hartley two barrel $1800 approx {going off an old old post on this forum}
Holley 4 barrel - $895 - trademe, a 390cfm street avenger
Both legal in superstocks but although the 4 barrel is legal in standards thanks to rule T12-2-41 { CARBURETTOR (a) One down-draft carburettor only, with a maximum of four barrels.} the manifold rules make it unusable.
Brakes =
Iron force full floating setup $450
how the hell they are letting this be legal as "oe brake assemblies" i dont know. theres nothing "oe" about them.
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Post by mcfly on Feb 12, 2015 18:02:33 GMT 12
I like your thinking ATK - but maybe instead of restricting power output in the top grade, we should just go through the rules of the lower class and tighten them up instead. Heres a few areas that need work...
Suspension and diff = Ironforce charge $3300 for a full floating diff. - thier website Cardwells charge $3321 for a superstock quickchange. - trademe Both leagal in superstocks, but the quickchange is illegal in standards because it "would give too much advantage to the bigger budget racers" bit late for that, they got the same advantage with the way its setup now.
Carburettors =Hartley two barrel $1800 approx {going off an old old post on this forum} Holley 4 barrel - $895 - trademe, a 390cfm street avenger Both legal in superstocks but although the 4 barrel is legal in standards thanks to rule T12-2-41 { CARBURETTOR (a) One down-draft carburettor only, with a maximum of four barrels.} the manifold rules make it unusable.
Brakes = Iron force full floating setup $450 how the hell they are letting this be legal as "oe brake assemblies" i dont know. theres nothing "oe" about them. You forgot about the racing springs, shocks and Ohalleran components that were the first of the illegal parts used. no OEM with any of those |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 19:53:00 GMT 12
I like your thinking ATK - but maybe instead of restricting power output in the top grade, we should just go through the rules of the lower class and tighten them up instead. Heres a few areas that need work...
Suspension and diff = Ironforce charge $3300 for a full floating diff. - thier website Cardwells charge $3321 for a superstock quickchange. - trademe Both leagal in superstocks, but the quickchange is illegal in standards because it "would give too much advantage to the bigger budget racers" bit late for that, they got the same advantage with the way its setup now.
Carburettors =Hartley two barrel $1800 approx {going off an old old post on this forum} Holley 4 barrel - $895 - trademe, a 390cfm street avenger Both legal in superstocks but although the 4 barrel is legal in standards thanks to rule T12-2-41 { CARBURETTOR (a) One down-draft carburettor only, with a maximum of four barrels.} the manifold rules make it unusable.
Brakes = Iron force full floating setup $450 how the hell they are letting this be legal as "oe brake assemblies" i dont know. theres nothing "oe" about them. You forgot about the racing springs, shocks and Ohalleran components that were the first of the illegal parts used. no OEM with any of those True - but its not so easy to do a purely numbers argument against racing springs and shocks... Ohhalleran components and rod ends I left out on purpose - while they arent oe, they do help lower repair costs in some areas... its rare that the end themselves are damaged - usually people bend the tube in the middle, easy to bend it back again and reuse it. many car arms etc arent as easy to work with. That said - between 14 and 30ish rod ends in the average car now - thats between $336 and 720 in rod ends alone... |
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Post by bernie on Feb 13, 2015 19:47:40 GMT 12
adding to Rodestas thoughts Carbs: .up to 350 CFM and up to 2 barrels only. Tyres: Max tyre size 205/75R16. Tread width, tyre profile and radius measurements cannot be exceeded on any given tyre. Max tread width 7mm.Max15 mm difference in circumference between any of the four tires when on the car(no stagger)Tread width cannot be changed by tyre grooving. Suspension:OEM ball joints or tractor links only.OEM sedan van or station wagon shock absorbers only.OEM Part numbers to be visible on shocks.Steel adjustable Coil over kits permitted.Max of three suspension arms connecting the front axle to to the stock-car chassis.Only steel Leaf spring, coils or torque arm suspension components permitted. Beam front axles, dropped or straight,between each king pin only. Brakes: OEM parts as fitted to sedan van or station wagon only. Diffs: OEM sedan van or station wagon diffs only.Locked diffs permitted.OEM independent diffs allowed.Floating diffs/bird cages not permitted.Max of two suspension arms plus 1 torque arm connecting diff to the stock-car chassis. Clutch:OEM sedan van or station wagon clutch and clutch system components only. Gear box:OEM car van or station wagon gearbox or auto transmissions allowed.Fabricated steel bell housings permitted. Engines gear boxes and clutches can be mixed and matched. Engine:as per current stock car rules  ?? Fuel: up to 91 octane pump fuel only. class rules: can only be changed every fourth year. Back to the future really otherwise streetkids are the answer to this question. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 3:44:49 GMT 12
it really bewilders me reading through this. why go back to the dark ages, sure if you want to run all oem hard to find parts go for gold. that are supposed to be cheaper . but really some of the components you all mention to get rid of like arms with rod ends and valved shocks and many other parts are not actually that badly priced. may be a little more than spending your time trolling trade me or going to wreckers, but due to being better components they last longer therefore end up costing less in the long run. and a better handling car performs better. im a budget racer but have seen some things going into my car as a one off long term investment to actually save me money in the long term.
the real problem is how good the top engine builders are now as they are able to extract so much from a motor. and that is just natural progression of a motorsport when the rules have not been either enforced or have been allowed to be misread.
I think you will not be able to pull anything back in the class nowdays its a matter of not letting to many more things change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 7:42:42 GMT 12
it really bewilders me reading through this. why go back to the dark ages, sure if you want to run all oem hard to find parts go for gold. that are supposed to be cheaper . but really some of the components you all mention to get rid of like arms with rod ends and valved shocks and many other parts are not actually that badly priced. may be a little more than spending your time trolling trade me or going to wreckers, but due to being better components they last longer therefore end up costing less in the long run. and a better handling car performs better. im a budget racer but have seen some things going into my car as a one off long term investment to actually save me money in the long term. the real problem is how good the top engine builders are now as they are able to extract so much from a motor. and that is just natural progression of a motorsport when the rules have not been either enforced or have been allowed to be misread. I think you will not be able to pull anything back in the class nowdays its a matter of not letting to many more things change. I agree. I was just pointing out the uber expensive parts - ones that are legal for stock cars but are way outside the intent of the class. full floating diff and high rise carbs etc. Leave the engine rules as they are - its too late to get into that bag of cats... Leave the suspension, ohallerans and rod ends - its cheaper to use them than to use oe suspension arms - in many cases safer too. its not like todays cars are built with good thick steel anymore. only real areas to limit speed are yres and diff. set a lower maximum tyre size - get rid of 4wd tyres and non everyday road car tyres. {no rally tyres or snow tyres etc} get rid of the full floating diffs - even semi if you want. why pay the price of a quickchange just to be in a stock car? then actually stand firm on the rules instead of going "oh alright - but dont take advantage this time!" |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 14, 2015 9:09:21 GMT 12
I totally agree Gribbs, some components are better aftermarket.
Just control motor, tyres, suspension and diff.
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Post by TonyG188r on Feb 25, 2015 21:25:50 GMT 12
How many people would it truly upset if they said ok in 2 years time the motor rule is void and standard motors only or similar ruling apply, no head work no cams etc, gives current big dollar engines time to phase out perhaps?
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