Wouldn't be teams racing without controversy (Read 14,180 times)

[kevin888]

a car has something not complient with it red card it send it off and move on nice and easy no stress and no drama

[brute2]

I can talk because .i have tryed it dozens of times , But one day I got caught . Then all the but I didn't know .and tryed the old WHAT ABOUT THEM ONLY DIFF I got caught ,,then I had to pay the piper . Then I leaned not to cheat ..How bad must the other teams feel who raced them and lost points .come on SNZ time to put your big boy pants on and show some teeth before the racing starts to night. Enough damage has been done to the sport bye none compiling teams .the whole of the speedway community is watching you . Rule are the same for every track

[scraggy]

So how can SNZ officials just come out and change the rules before the meeting starts tonight?
The rules and rule book are actually written by the competitors as remits.

It was made very clear at drivers briefing by head technical Stewart last night that check would be made throughout the night and specific cars breaking the rules could be excluded as per the rule book.

As others have pointed out, 8g was excluded last year and other individuals look as if they are excluded this year, so that's consistent as I see it???

[Stevo]

And, as what the rule that was quoted earlier says "the offending driver is excluded", not the whole team. I guess we can't argue if all 3 drivers with this manifold issue are excluded, that would be the only outcome according to the rule.

[tony27]

Surely the cars were checked before the meeting at weigh in, if so then they all should have been legal then although the fact the 1 has a manifold to change does look a little dodgy

[Stevo]

It hasn't been confirmed that he's changing manifolds, it was only suggested that he might. But if the rule is applied correctly then the driver would be excluded so the only advantage in changing the manifold is for someone else to be able to use the car.

[tank11]

Feb 27, 2016 14:04:32 GMT 12 tony27 said:

Surely the cars were checked before the meeting at weigh in, if so then they all should have been legal then although the fact the 1 has a manifold to change does look a little dodgy

So the driver still gets stood down?
But the car can still be raced?

Bugger, beaten. lol.

[percy]

Thanks to nottosure for your post, it had added a lot to the discussion.

I'm hoping the officials/commentators provide us with a full explanation tonight as to what has gone on during the day and how the rule book has been applied to the facts of the situation.

[Stevo]

Have just heard from my insider, the P driver has had all his points removed so Palmy now drop to 7th so still go through in top 8 but obviously this will change the draw. Still waiting to hear if W and V get hit with the same penalty (as they should if SNZ are going to be consistent)

[Willess]

What about the TAB odds? Top of each group got paid out.
Also, what about Auckland being 8th last night now out and Wellington now in.
Huge can of worms if this is correct

[Deleted]

don't get racing rules mixed with tech rules. racing rules the ref has the option to dq the team... tech rules the DRIVER gets the stand down. As for everyone signing the card, unless they were driving the offending car, no issues

[Tony]

Feb 27, 2016 14:18:36 GMT 12 Stevo said:

Have just heard from my insider, the P driver has had all his points removed so Palmy now drop to 7th so still go through in top 8 but obviously this will change the draw. Still waiting to hear if W and V get hit with the same penalty (as they should if SNZ are going to be consistent)

My insider (who will be different to your insider) has recently informed me that a Vulcans car was tested, and has been deemed legal. I'm not sure about Wellington.

[Stevo]

I hope at the end of all this, someone comes out and gives us the official version of what was deemed to be illegal.

[keyboardracer]

Anyone know what cars are said to be using illegal manifolds?

[tony27]

Going off the points shown in another post it must have been Stu Rackham who won the race against Wellington, strange that his car must have been legal for the NZs in Huntly

[brute2]

Well well. SNZ have got in wrong again ? How can they say in a teams race the illegal only should lose points. When he assisted the rest of the team to get points I can see a lot of protests come in , and so there should be . I hope all affected teams get there mangers on to this before racing starts ,remember guys this is going to affect your clubs and fans ..

[nottosure]

I guess commonsense has happened in a round about way with the points/results changing but still the penalty doesn't fit the crime in a team sense. I can understand why people say the individual only gets penalized and has but in the race against Wellington the offending car deemed illegal has been penalized by taking points away from the race that he earnt changing the points score and giving Wellington the win. In the next race the offending car earnt no points but was eliminated from the results but the points score remains the same and the offenders team still wins. My question is this why shouldn't the illegal cars team be penalized as a whole via disqualification. To me it seems to say if you're illegal you can change the outcome of a race by not earning points by blocking etc. and earn your team a win in a non earning (pointswise) sence yet the team doesn't get punished. What if the illegal car had blocked the opposition leading car on the last lap of the final allowing his team to win then got found illegal? To me it's saying the win would still stand. The car going by the rulebook shouldn't have even been competing as it's non compliant to the rules so really the only punishment that fits is a total team punishment
meaning disqualification. Only then would the likelihood of cheating start be reduced.

[brange]

Wow, so three cars (and by default three teams) cheat, and another team suffers as a result - I am not an Auckland supporter but I think they should feel robbed at this decision (assuming what has been posted is the final outcome)...

[gregobro]

So... Palmy did the crime, Welly get the prize and Auckland get the punishment.

[sk72]

Auckland are the biggest losers here. As an Alleycats fan it's very disappointing. I would hate to think how the boys are feeling.

I hope not one puma is left standing tonight.