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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 15:33:38 GMT 12
Wow, so three cars (and by default three teams) cheat, and another team suffers as a result - I am not an Auckland supporter but I think they should feel robbed at this decision (assuming what has been posted is the final outcome)... What evidence do you have that 3 cars were found illegal? Initially in this thread there was some speculation that was the case but it has since been mentioned not to be the case |
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 15:34:26 GMT 12
I just don't understand why people know the rules and still try and cheat to win.
I think its about time SNZ take a look at the fines and consequences they give out for illegal cars, hits or driving. They are making a joke of their own sport.
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Post by Tony on Feb 27, 2016 15:36:59 GMT 12
Wow, so three cars (and by default three teams) cheat, and another team suffers as a result - I am not an Auckland supporter but I think they should feel robbed at this decision (assuming what has been posted is the final outcome)... To the best of my knowledge, only ONE car from ONE team has been deemed illegal, so don't go making blanket accusations against other teams. |
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 15:37:09 GMT 12
So... Palmy did the crime, Welly get the prize and Auckland get the punishment. I think this highlights an issue with the format more than anything else. With the format running groups it was a bit odd that the top 8 on points across all groups were the quarter finalists as opposed to the top 2 in each group. Had it been the top 2 in each group Palmy would be out which evidently would find some favour among some posters on this thread. |
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 15:39:20 GMT 12
I just don't understand why people know the rules and still try and cheat to win. I think its about time SNZ take a look at the fines and consequences they give out for illegal cars, hits or driving. They are making a joke of their own sport. SNZ don't set the rules, drivers and promoters do. |
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 15:42:49 GMT 12
I just don't understand why people know the rules and still try and cheat to win. I think its about time SNZ take a look at the fines and consequences they give out for illegal cars, hits or driving. They are making a joke of their own sport. SNZ don't set the rules, drivers and promoters do. Well maybe that's the issue right there  |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 15:42:52 GMT 12
Who then enforces the SNZ rule book?.
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Post by nottosure on Feb 27, 2016 15:47:35 GMT 12
I just don't understand why people know the rules and still try and cheat to win. I think its about time SNZ take a look at the fines and consequences they give out for illegal cars, hits or driving. They are making a joke of their own sport. Sadly the outcome is a very unprofessional result for the sport. Here we are rewarding a team caught with a non compliant car by allowing them to continue competing, while a fully legal team (Auckland) are the ones penalized. Seems easy for officials to hide behind a rule book and say the competitors make the rules when in reality common sence regarding punishments should apply. As I said earlier a Lawyer would possibly have a field day with this kind of stuff but the costs probably outweigh the reward. Also need to question the Gisborne clubs running of the meeting in regards to taking the 8 highest point scorers across the 12 teams rather than the usual 2 highest from each group. This would have meant Palmerston North were eliminated anyway as they have ended up 3rd in their group. Also by taking the top 8 the 12 teams have to worry about what points other teams are earning across all groups not of those teams they need to race within their group. |
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Post by The Godfather on Feb 27, 2016 15:48:46 GMT 12
I just don't understand why people know the rules and still try and cheat to win. I think its about time SNZ take a look at the fines and consequences they give out for illegal cars, hits or driving. They are making a joke of their own sport. SNZ don't set the rules, drivers and promoters do.
That wasn't the point. Yes the drivers set the rules but the point was the level of punishment for breaking those rules.
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Post by nottosure on Feb 27, 2016 15:49:01 GMT 12
So... Palmy did the crime, Welly get the prize and Auckland get the punishment. I think this highlights an issue with the format more than anything else. With the format running groups it was a bit odd that the top 8 on points across all groups were the quarter finalists as opposed to the top 2 in each group. Had it been the top 2 in each group Palmy would be out which evidently would find some favour among some posters on this thread. Sorry Percy must've been typing the same thoughts as you at the same time. |
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 15:49:43 GMT 12
Can anyone shed light on which engine builder made and supplied these manifolds  ?? So we can avoid have same problems as we might already have one on ? |
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Post by brange on Feb 27, 2016 15:51:12 GMT 12
Wow, so three cars (and by default three teams) cheat, and another team suffers as a result - I am not an Auckland supporter but I think they should feel robbed at this decision (assuming what has been posted is the final outcome)... What evidence do you have that 3 cars were found illegal? Initially in this thread there was some speculation that was the case but it has since been mentioned not to be the case I havent seen anywhere in this thread that both the other two teams were subsequently cleared of any wrong doing and still havent re Wellington, although Wanganui may have been cleared) Ultimately my point is that its a shame for Auckland and their supporters to be missing out when they havent done anything illegal and had initially qualified |
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Post by The Godfather on Feb 27, 2016 15:51:18 GMT 12
Just doesn't seem right that of the 8 top teams, 6 of them came from only 2 groups |
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 15:55:10 GMT 12
Just reading what people have been writing and what I have understood is that the P car was stripped of points against W...but in the next race the illegal car didn't finish the race so was not stripped any points ?
Does this mean that an illegal car can go out there, run most of the race and take out cars in the other team and then pull on to the infield with a couple of laps to go and still get to keep all the teams points....... JOKE !!
How does all this happen after a meeting has finished ?
Should it not have been picked up before the meeting ?
The W cars were sent on to the track with out helmet checks or something ?
A driver was out cold for about 5 laps ?
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 15:57:40 GMT 12
So what is to stop a team now , knowingly using an Illegal car setup tonight only to damage
opposition cars , but not win points?
There has been a decision.
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 15:57:41 GMT 12
SNZ don't set the rules, drivers and promoters do.
That wasn't the point. Yes the drivers set the rules but the point was the level of punishment for breaking those rules.
Along with the technical and racing rules, penalties are sanctioned under section M7 of the rulebook. If the competitors/promoters want heavier punishments it is up to them to change the provisions in this section of the rule book. |
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 16:09:42 GMT 12
Who made the manafolds would like to know just in case some of us have brought them and have same prob?
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 16:12:51 GMT 12
Who checks the cars at scrutineering ? Maybe a trip to Specsavers ? If the P car was illegal from the first race of the night, would they have picked up if they passed a superstock through....  sure it would be illegal but would still be able to help decide the outcome of the race |
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 16:18:04 GMT 12
Is there anyone from SNZ . Who will sit down with teams mangers and sort this mess out fairly . A lot of unhappy. Drivers and fans across the country hoping you re look at this and get it right .
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 16:18:51 GMT 12
R12-4-2 The Team Manager:-
(a) must be fully conversant with the Teams Racing Rules.
(b) is in control of their team at the venue.
(c) will ensure the team members understand the Rules and the
consequences of breaking them.
(d) will ensure the team members pay close attention to all aspects of
the safety of their vehicle and safety equipment.
(e) must ensure all team members sign all the team’s scrutineering
cards, and all competitors can legally use all vehicles (e.g. have
sufficient head clearance).
(f) must ensure any pre-race or post-race medical checks are
undertaken.
(g) will attend a team managers meeting with relevant officials prior to
the drivers meeting, and inform their team of any information
bought up at the meeting.
(h) is responsible for the conduct and safety of the team in the grand
parade.
(i) must notify the nominated drivers rep in writing, before the vehicles
called to the dummy grid, of any driver changes.
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(j) will not allow a competitor to continue in the event if in their opinion
they are unfit or have suffered a concussion.
(k) must notify the nominated drivers rep in writing, before the vehicles
are called to the dummy grid, if the 6th driver is used due to injury.
(l) can seek verbal clarification from the Steward in conjunction with
the Drivers Rep.
(m) will assist with paperwork, drivers signatures etc, as directed.
R12-4-3 The Team Manager must act in a professional and responsible
manner.
R12-4-4 Abusive or unbecoming conduct by a Team Manager will be treated
as a breach of conduct with consequences
Is this not where the 'team' is responsible for all and any actions.?
"must ensure all team members sign all the team’s scrutineering
cards, and all competitors can legally use all vehicles (e.g. have
sufficient head clearance)."
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?? So we can avoid have same problems as we might already have one on ?
sure it would be illegal but would still be able to help decide the outcome of the race 