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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Apr 24, 2016 18:54:30 GMT 12
The track was no way as bad as it used to be a couple years ago when we sat and watched tractors and grader racing half way through the meeting. Strange but it sounds like Gisbourne rutted up bad last night and no KNOCKER on that thread. For me I have seen worse tracks and for a late in the season meeting enjoyed it, still worth my 2hr drive. Bring on next season and NO KNOCKERS.
A rut at Gisborne is likely similar to the lines under my eyes, and a rarity.
We all know that from time to time a track fails to measure up to our expectations, despite best efforts.
At Baypark, all to often and last night was no exception, the track condition was a direct result of an uncaring and arrogant facility management (BVL), and quite unnecessary. We all accept damage and unforeseen circumstances is an inescapable aspect of motorsport.
We do our sport no favours when we condone incompetence, eroding the speedway experience for spectators and competitors, and scarce competitors funds.
Yes, as with the previous meeting, I enjoyed my speedway last night BUT I know many of the competitors did not, and they are becoming somewhat scarce in some classes!
The Super Saloons ...
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 24, 2016 19:23:51 GMT 12
From what I watched on Murrays video Gordon I am not sure .Ask Mr Cowling how the track was ??Wonder if bvl will offer up some repair money Ha Ha ,I think not .I prefer watching racing myself Gordon but not watching drivers dodging sludge and craters ,.
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Post by ratattack racing on Apr 24, 2016 20:35:17 GMT 12
Hay jimmyj why don't you do us all a favor and go buy a hammer build a bridge and get over what ever your problem is
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 24, 2016 20:51:50 GMT 12
have fun racing did you ratattack.?
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Post by steeldog on Apr 24, 2016 21:23:15 GMT 12
Anyone NOTICE only 30 Stockcars and not the 40 entered. yes I did notice. I felt let down and I'm sure promotion felt it even more however the 29 on track didn't let me dwell on those thoughts and provided good racing. I'm not the sort that needs the big roll over smash. I like the intelligent move over I'm coming through type of racing as it is still a race that needs to be won. I got that last night. |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Apr 25, 2016 0:41:32 GMT 12
SPRINTCARS at Baypark ....
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Post by ratattack racing on Apr 25, 2016 7:44:25 GMT 12
I don't race my kids used to thats where the user name came from. I work there and have done for the last 6 seasons trying to help make things better instead of siting back and bagging the place like some on here.
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Post by craige on Apr 25, 2016 8:24:47 GMT 12
I don't race my kids used to thats where the user name came from. I work there and have done for the last 6 seasons trying to help make things better instead of siting back and bagging the place like some on here. Cause they place is a nuts hole ...... went to the very first opening meeting and have never been back and probably never will.....it's a salooncar. sprintcar track.. |
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 25, 2016 9:39:45 GMT 12
I don't race my kids used to thats where the user name came from. I work there and have done for the last 6 seasons trying to help make things better instead of siting back and bagging the place like some on here. Well no matter what you do it will never be any different while the council controls the joint ,ask Murray he knows / |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Apr 25, 2016 13:46:00 GMT 12
I don't race my kids used to thats where the user name came from. I work there and have done for the last 6 seasons trying to help make things better instead of siting back and bagging the place like some on here. Well no matter what you do it will never be any different while the council controls the joint ,ask Murray he knows /
Any promotion will always struggle with the present owners and managers, specifically 'Bay Venues Limited (BVL)' as BVL appears to have shifted from their initials role in life, an all too typical outcome when elected members choose to bury their heads and not ensure these outfits stick to their knitting, managing facilities.
There is no doubt that the failure of BVL to apply basic professional principals, like ensuring the facility is fit for purpose, as in a speedway activity, that the basis of ALL discussion and agreements is integrity and in good faith, promoters will to struggle and our sport will be at risk.
For some reason Councils will throw obscene amounts of money at all manner of sports, events and white elephants, yet refuse to acknowledge the community participation and economic benefits derived from speed (motorsport) activities. $millions on rugby stadiums, cricket pitches BUT take every opportunity to undermine speedway (as in BVL).
The present promotion gets NO benefit from the income and profits of the food and beverage sold on race night. No benefit from the advertising hoardings that our sport promotes. No share of income from the Corporate boxes, basically reliant on the punter through gate alone. $20 entry for an adult with overheads double that of most other speedway venues. The track is twice the square meters of most, the lighting bill, yet yesterday a meeting at Kihikihi was $20 per adult. All of that plus $thousands to lease the place per meeting?
Yes, while this Tauranga Council sleeps and it's management company, BVL, abuse, it will likely continue to struggle!
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Post by sonic33 on Apr 25, 2016 22:13:06 GMT 12
I will reply on what I thort of the meeting a bit later. Can any one tell me if the Fredrickson memorial last race was 1st across the line takes the event, or did the win by give Hayward enough points? Most of the commentary was inaudible ( not volume related ) I was unsure of any points what so ever. Unusual format for a contact class if it was first across the line. OK my thoughts, for what is worth. Ministocks - Good numbers and good racing Saloons - Awesome racing and crashing. Class of the night. Super saloons - Poor numbers. Track smashed this class. Sprintcars - Good numbers. some packed up, some went hard. Crazy bumps. Stockcars, - Accidental contact only. Poor format, with winner takes all, for a contact class. Track. I don't think the holes were reflective of the track flooding. Holes opened up at both ends. This track has been horrendous at most meets that make me think those in the know, track wise, are not in the know. I haven't been to BP since sprintcar nationals. It is hard to know what to think track wise. If there was a smooth track this would have been great. It seems a smooth track is slick and dusty.A grippy track is full of holes.Is track work at BP guess work? The track had heaps of drive last night, but had holes, and smashed up alot of gear. I enjoyed the meet. One of the better ones for BP. The crowd was nowhere near what a fireworks crowd is normally. I hope BP continues, and wish Bernie all the best. |
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Post by regulus on Apr 26, 2016 8:53:25 GMT 12
After following this post, would bringing the pole line in narrowing the track allow for more contact in the stockcar classes and therefore less track to prepare and be maintained at a better standard work. And yes I beleive the volunteers are doing the best with the cards they have been dealt.
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Post by woodart on Apr 26, 2016 15:52:42 GMT 12
After following this post, would bringing the pole line in narrowing the track allow for more contact in the stockcar classes and therefore less track to prepare and be maintained at a better standard work. And yes I beleive the volunteers are doing the best with the cards they have been dealt. ,,,,so what you are suggesting, is make the track narrower, and apparently better for two classes, and bugger it up for all other classes?.. this sounds like some of the comments after the NZ stockcar teams champs in gisborne(which I went to), change the track to suit stock cars, and who cares about every one else! |
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2016 16:09:42 GMT 12
After following this post, would bringing the pole line in narrowing the track allow for more contact in the stockcar classes and therefore less track to prepare and be maintained at a better standard work. And yes I beleive the volunteers are doing the best with the cards they have been dealt. ,,,,so what you are suggesting, is make the track narrower, and apparently better for two classes, and bugger it up for all other classes?.. this sounds like some of the comments after the NZ stockcar teams champs in gisborne(which I went to), change the track to suit stock cars, and who cares about every one else! I have had similar thoughts about the track at Baypark, but rather than bringing the pole line in move the pole line out a couple/few metres with the aim of taking some of the pressure off the track in the turns and also lessen the chance of cars hitting the wall at acute angles at speed. Could mean it's a bit safer for the contact classes also. Ferndene once upon a time had a long and short track set up , best of both worlds? Seemed to work pretty well the few times I went there. |
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Post by bossman on Apr 26, 2016 18:11:46 GMT 12
After following this post, would bringing the pole line in narrowing the track allow for more contact in the stockcar classes and therefore less track to prepare and be maintained at a better standard work. And yes I beleive the volunteers are doing the best with the cards they have been dealt. All good, at least your being constructive with your suggestions. Show me a perfect track in NZ for all of our classes in one night? You work with what you are given, pray the weather gods are keen for a night in, hope politics/ politicians don't interfere with different or hidden agendas, encourage competitors to share the vision of the promotion - No promoter prepares a track to destroy cars - we know tracks do rip up, some worse than others and cause safety concerns/ damage , and most importantly secure the future of speedway - I would suggest just bringing punters through the turnstiles is not going to be enough in our ever evolving, entertainment hungry world we now live in. People like variety so we need to be innovative, constructive and prepared to make some hard calls if changes are needed to secure speedway racing for the next generation. A more collaborative approach along the lines of a community of speedways may be what's needed to support tracks at risk or having difficulties/ political challenges. I certainly wouldn't want to lose tracks, it was hell not having Bay Park around when the old one closed. Rugby did it with Unions and Super franchises working together to secure the grassroots of rugby that feeds the big shows. How can we adapt this to speedway? If BP & WS or whoever do form a closer relationship lets understand the vision they have and help foster successful / agreeable outcomes. Onwards and upwards. |
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Post by orapiuwharf on Apr 26, 2016 18:32:59 GMT 12
The pole line could be moved out 1.5-2M I believe without affecting the wide tyre classes. (Waikaraka has a longer pole line)
This would really help with other classes.
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Post by mcfly on Apr 26, 2016 18:47:35 GMT 12
After following this post, would bringing the pole line in narrowing the track allow for more contact in the stockcar classes and therefore less track to prepare and be maintained at a better standard work. And yes I beleive the volunteers are doing the best with the cards they have been dealt. ,,,,so what you are suggesting, is make the track narrower, and apparently better for two classes, and bugger it up for all other classes?.. this sounds like some of the comments after the NZ stockcar teams champs in gisborne(which I went to), change the track to suit stock cars, and who cares about every one else! Sounds like a good plan to me!!!  |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Apr 26, 2016 19:03:35 GMT 12
Surely track surface plays a part? Look at how WS was wen it was straight terracotta clay, its not very accepting of a lite sprinkle of water which makes it hard to adjust/fix on the fly.
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Post by jimmyj on Apr 26, 2016 19:14:08 GMT 12
My opinion on Baypark after watching speedway for a few years now is that the track size width or pole line length is not the problem .
Every body commented when it was built they only put in 1 track entry gate for speeding up between classes .
The sole reasom for the crap tracks they get to race on is the material they use .Get rid of that nutst and bring in some thing to work with .
Another huge reason is the time prepping the track to race on for Sat nights.Overseas they have full time track guys doing it pretty much all the time so to think Bernie can do it in a couple of days your dreaming .Last thing as in Auckland one the Fu-- in councill is envolved with it you are screwed.Put some banking into the track [not as much as Gissy]but make it worth while .
Pay Red to do it for a year
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Apr 26, 2016 20:55:50 GMT 12
The pole line could be moved out 1.5-2M I believe without affecting the wide tyre classes. (Waikaraka has a longer pole line) This would really help with other classes.
As noted by another, pole line in and deepened a tad to increase the banking? 
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