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Post by woodart on May 3, 2018 21:26:02 GMT 12
The only real issue with Baypark it is too wide and could do with some banking. Sure you could push out the pole line by 2m. Although I am really most interested in Modifieds and Saloons lets face it Stockcars are huge at every track that runs them. These guys need a track they want to race on. too wide....then a stock car driver gets hurt with wall contact and we go through the whole wall safety argument again.three years ago it was no go areas with stripes painted on walls. time to wake up, wide tracks are safe tracks with less car damage and less injuries. why should all classes but two be penalised with this narrow track nonsense. we've had the same tunnel viewed thinking with regard to banked tracks and claims they were no good for stock car racing. gisbourne has disproved that. |
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Post by tank11 on May 3, 2018 22:55:15 GMT 12
What's wrong with a bit of banking for stock cars? Heard all this before Gisborne's first defense. Was some extreme action in it and about the same second time around. Open Wheelers like more banking than stock cars...but you can get something that suits both....its called balance and needs both groups to work together. :-) Some banking can be good for stockcars...but not to the extent of Eagle Plains - but this may be wrong as stockcars have never driven around Eagle Plains so it is just an assumption. Come down to Gis, John. Check the banking in the corners. You'd be a tall person to be at eye level across the corners. About 2400 I think. |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on May 26, 2018 12:40:29 GMT 12
Waikaraka grandstand to stay and be re-inforced. Undercover area to be converted to corprate box style arrangement.
Springs rumoured to longer be interested in waikaraka if grandstand stays (changes they want would no longer work)
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 15:21:08 GMT 12
Springs rumoured to longer be interested in waikaraka if grandstand stays (changes they want would no longer work) Eh? |
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Post by orapiuwharf on May 26, 2018 16:00:04 GMT 12
Waikaraka grandstand to stay and be re-inforced. Undercover area to be converted to corprate box style arrangement. Springs rumoured to longer be interested in waikaraka if grandstand stays (changes they want would no longer work) What does that mean in English. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 18:39:11 GMT 12
Waikaraka grandstand to stay and be re-inforced. Undercover area to be converted to corprate box style arrangement. Springs rumoured to longer be interested in waikaraka if grandstand stays (changes they want would no longer work) Interesting..... I can count all the people who may be in the loop enough to either confirm or deny that information on one hand, and not have to use all the fingers - tell us more. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 20:38:25 GMT 12
The son of baypark would be ideal. Same size pole line, OD to be bought in 2 mtrs and banked to a mid point to suit suit all classes. Stand would have a capacity of 12000. There would also be a entrance gate and a exit gate not one gate. Umm. so you want a bigger track? Waikaraka is probably biggest pole line in country. John Nah, its not the 460m as reported. Many tracks don't actually measure up to what they report. Waikaraka Park is roughly 410m at the pole line, which is not small but is not the 460m reported. Interestingly Western Springs is nearly the same as Waikaraka Park, the difference being WP has longer straights and is narrower across the middle, and WS has to go around a rugby pitch which makes it wide across the middle and around the corners but short straights. Big difference between the two tracks is width across the track. WS is 10m across the straights, one of the narrowest in the country and close to 18m at the corners, but from what I have seen nobody can drive out on the top of the corners and make that work with a narrow and short straight. WP is 14m on the straights and around 16-18m on the corners. The length of the straights and width of the track make it look bigger, but the measure at the pole line is about the same. What Auckland needs is something about the same at the pole line as WP, but a racing line that works for all. Maybe something around 14-16m on the straights and 18-20m on the corners with a little banking (not too much) to get a high line working, and not too wide in the straights but enough to run off the corners and carry momentum. Bay Park is a genuine 450m at the pole line, but it is 18m on the straights and 20m on the corners without enough (just a bit more would make it work) banking to give a high line and a low line at the corners and make any sense of the width in the straights. |
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Post by orapiuwharf on May 26, 2018 21:22:07 GMT 12
As the tax department would say lets do this.
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Post by Roger Ex 35A on May 26, 2018 22:07:45 GMT 12
As the tax department would say lets do this. "Lets Do This" That is Jacinda Arderns favourite saying. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 22:17:39 GMT 12
Theres a good 50 meters or 165 feet the difference between your pole line distance of 110. mtr and ASSCC 460 mtres....can any please address this for me..is WP 410 mtr on the pole or 460 on the pole?? thank you ...mike
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Post by John W. on May 26, 2018 22:40:37 GMT 12
I was under the impression that track lengths are measured 1 metre from the pole line...Forget where I heard that but it does not make much difference as from my understanding of maths it will only add just over 3 metres....
I might have to try and pace out the track if I get time on Wed.
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Just measured on Google maps (right click and use measure distance tools) and I get approx 400m. Baypark is about 434m (poleline hard to see on corners though) and WS is 405m...
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 22:46:14 GMT 12
As the tax department would say lets do this. "Lets Do This" That is Jacinda Arderns favourite saying. That's what he said lol |
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Post by BarryB on May 27, 2018 2:20:38 GMT 12
I was under the impression that track lengths are measured 1 metre from the pole line...Forget where I heard that but it does not make much difference as from my understanding of maths it will only add just over 3 metres.... I might have to try and pace out the track if I get time on Wed. John Just measured on Google maps (right click and use measure distance tools) and I get approx 400m. Baypark is about 434m (poleline hard to see on corners though) and WS is 405m... Pretty sure it is one metre out from the pole where the official measure is taken, although for some drivers it probably should be a metre inside!!! Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 9:08:58 GMT 12
I was under the impression that track lengths are measured 1 metre from the pole line...Forget where I heard that but it does not make much difference as from my understanding of maths it will only add just over 3 metres.... I might have to try and pace out the track if I get time on Wed. John Just measured on Google maps (right click and use measure distance tools) and I get approx 400m. Baypark is about 434m (poleline hard to see on corners though) and WS is 405m... Pretty sure it is one metre out from the pole where the official measure is taken, although for some drivers it probably should be a metre inside!!! Barry B Yep, it is measured 1m out from the pole line in NZ. In the US it is measured 20ft (6m) from the outside wall, which I suppose is a more accurate measurement of the racing line, although Barry B is probably right about some racers in this country making their own racing line quite a bit shorter than others..... |
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Post by magilla on May 29, 2018 18:02:26 GMT 12
The only real issue with Baypark it is too wide and could do with some banking. Sure you could push out the pole line by 2m. Although I am really most interested in Modifieds and Saloons lets face it Stockcars are huge at every track that runs them. These guys need a track they want to race on. too wide? How can a dirt track ever be too wide? |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on May 30, 2018 11:58:25 GMT 12
Springs rumoured to longer be interested in waikaraka if grandstand stays (changes they want would no longer work) Eh? if grandstand and clubrooms stay put there is no room to make "improvements" that were being planned. Such as rotating track 45 degrees toward soccer feilds at the cemetery end, and using freed up space to make room for pit space and baypark style grandstand/track entrance way |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 13:27:10 GMT 12
well that would be the most sensible thing, theres plenty of space ..take a look from above with google earth..the whole park is AKls only central motorsport park...what ever they do, a real development seems to be the answer in my mind..something that ticks enough boxes but doesnt leave us with a big empty cake tin like tauranga..nothing worse than no atmosphere at the track ...cant you come up with a concoction of two tracks one inside the other, the smaller track for contact classes...would it be impossible to run a concrete fence on the bend between the two tracks..sprints in america seem to race with a wall on pole line quite often..so whats a pole line for one man is an outer wall for another..jeez could we make it 3 tracks and put bike track of a decent size in there also, mixed meetings on two or three tracks in a purpose built environment..thats what akl needs... soccer and cricket got to go .and motorsport needs to say ..ok well..its designated motorsport territory..SNZ ASSCC Springers got to make something happen without sitting round waiting for council to tell you what your going to get...cause they will nearly always fk it up..imho
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Post by magilla on May 30, 2018 17:33:33 GMT 12
Ferndene used to have third mile track for racecars and a quarter mile track inside for stockcars
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Post by twincarb on May 30, 2018 20:00:19 GMT 12
D day tomorrow !!
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Post by tony27 on May 30, 2018 21:16:48 GMT 12
I don't know if Auckland speedway has any real future, the idea of completely changing the track would probably mean at least 1 missed season at Waikaraka Park & more than likely Western Springs will have been closed for speedway at the same time.
Neither set of racers would have a track in Auckland while this goes on & it would be a very convenient time for the money to run out partway through construction leaving no track at all & no real plans to have 1
I could be very wrong & hope I am but nothing would surprise me when it comes to regional facilities Auckland
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