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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2024 18:24:12 GMT 12
The issue with r/ flat tyres is one flat tyre and your out of the running, Is there a limit on the number of tyres you can use in a night ? Was wondering if you have 4 heats and you have to throw out your worst result ? At least you still have a chance maybe some other ideas out there ? That's a tough one. Unless somebody can design a catch fence that stops all clay from the inside but you can still see through clearly from the outside. Four heats would not work, given current car numbers in both Stockcars and Superstocks, due to time constraints. Both struggle to finish at a respectable time as it is. Barry B
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Post by tiroto on Jan 8, 2024 18:26:00 GMT 12
Got back to Taupo today from the NZ's, heading up to Rotorua for the 240's then back to Chch 22 Jan. I absolutely loved my time at Meeanee. Here's a few highlights: - Congratulations to Asher Rees awesome! Also to 2nd and 3rd placegetters. - Who ever made the decision to put a layer of gravel on the track Sun, then steamroller it in, saved the meeting! Well done - the track was fast and furious! - Highlight Sat was the chopper doing it's hovering over the track thing, now that was a sight to behold. - Bringing in P Hickey to co-commentate. He brings a sense of ease into the meeting. - I found the clowns quite funny - The friendliness of the HB club is amazing! When I figure out how to post photos on this forum, I have some cool shots with Regan O and my mate Mordecai (Stephen) and others. It was easy to meet the drivers and mix and mingle and I thought the relaxed club atmosphere was the reason. - Great catch ups with the Hunter whanau and Steve Axtens and the team and lots of other drivers. - Hard luck story AJ Axtens. He was 4th equal in his group with M Ngatai but because he had the fastest lap time he qualified. However there was a successful protest by a Whanganui driver (I forget who it was) against M Ngatai. Because he had a faster lap time than AJ he went through. - Well done Meeanee and all the best for the future!
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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2024 18:27:59 GMT 12
The flat tyre rule came in following multiple crowd strikes at multiple tracks across the country. When such an occurrence happens you can no longer bury your head in the sand when you can make a rule to mitigate the problem. At the last Waikaraka meeting I attended a Stockcar popped a tyre in cemetery bend and credit to the driver retired to the infield once they were aware. Regardless, the amount and size of dirt clumps that was flung into the crowd was frightening. The whole notion of cars going slowly with flats was widely discussed at the AGM when the flat tyre rule initially came in. The officials can't officiate it and how slow is slow enough? The reason it's allowed in teams racing is because there are 8 cars on track and officials can officiate with the lower car count. Well it certainly could use some refinement, because it is having a massive impact on the sport. The way it is currently implemented seems like a bit of a knee jerk reaction. It should be pretty obvious when a car is flinging up too much dirt, and we have 1 way radios to call people off if it's too much. Does the flat tyre rule also apply in run offs with just 2 cars? People still get hit with dirt from cars without flat tyres, so surely something like a finer mesh fence at tracks would be a better solution. If that has already been discussed, why was it rejected? Racing has been like this for a very long time. Cars racing on dirt, there's only so much you can do. Hopefully a better solution can be achieved that keeps the racing fun and exciting. Run-offs were run under teams racing rules from memory. I'm not 100% sure if they still are, or not. How quickly I've got out of touch being on the sidelines [or it may just be that the memory has gone] Barry B
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Post by andrewejc on Jan 8, 2024 18:33:52 GMT 12
Well it certainly could use some refinement, because it is having a massive impact on the sport. The way it is currently implemented seems like a bit of a knee jerk reaction. It should be pretty obvious when a car is flinging up too much dirt, and we have 1 way radios to call people off if it's too much. Does the flat tyre rule also apply in run offs with just 2 cars? People still get hit with dirt from cars without flat tyres, so surely something like a finer mesh fence at tracks would be a better solution. If that has already been discussed, why was it rejected? Racing has been like this for a very long time. Cars racing on dirt, there's only so much you can do. Hopefully a better solution can be achieved that keeps the racing fun and exciting. Run-offs were run under teams racing rules from memory. I'm not 100% sure if they still are, or not. How quickly I've got out of touch being on the sidelines [or it may just be that the memory has gone] Barry B They are no longer under teams racing rules. Its caught a few out recently
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Post by conrod on Jan 8, 2024 18:39:03 GMT 12
The issue with r/ flat tyres is one flat tyre and your out of the running, Is there a limit on the number of tyres you can use in a night ? Was wondering if you have 4 heats and you have to throw out your worst result ? At least you still have a chance maybe some other ideas out there ? That's a tough one. Unless somebody can design a catch fence that stops all clay from the inside but you can still see through clearly from the outside. Four heats would not work, given current car numbers in both Stockcars and Superstocks, due to time constraints. Both struggle to finish at a respectable time as it is. Barry B yes I thought about the time issue that was my reservation, I have been close to some big clumps and seen people hit but that’s the nature of the beast imho , I was asking about tyres as all I can think is put new tyres on right every race but that separates the haves and have not’s
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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2024 18:42:42 GMT 12
Run-offs were run under teams racing rules from memory. I'm not 100% sure if they still are, or not. How quickly I've got out of touch being on the sidelines [or it may just be that the memory has gone] Barry B They are no longer under teams racing rules. Its caught a few out recently My gut said it had reverted to normal racing rules, but my head didn't know for sure. Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2024 18:48:09 GMT 12
That's a tough one. Unless somebody can design a catch fence that stops all clay from the inside but you can still see through clearly from the outside. Four heats would not work, given current car numbers in both Stockcars and Superstocks, due to time constraints. Both struggle to finish at a respectable time as it is. Barry B yes I thought about the time issue that was my reservation, I have been close to some big clumps and seen people hit but that’s the nature of the beast imho , I was asking about tyres as all I can think is put new tyres on right every race but that separates the haves and have not’s In the old days "the nature of the beast" could have been acceptable. Accidents no longer happen, according to government officials. Everything that happens is somebody's fault. Like with work safety, we get a few dumb rules mixed in with the good and necessary ones. But we don't get to pick and choose. You can't fight city hall. Plus we actively promote speedway as a family sport. We can't have young kids collected by a lump of clay bigger than their head!! Barry B
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 8, 2024 20:10:45 GMT 12
That's a tough one. Unless somebody can design a catch fence that stops all clay from the inside but you can still see through clearly from the outside. Four heats would not work, given current car numbers in both Stockcars and Superstocks, due to time constraints. Both struggle to finish at a respectable time as it is. Barry B yes I thought about the time issue that was my reservation, I have been close to some big clumps and seen people hit but that’s the nature of the beast imho , I was asking about tyres as all I can think is put new tyres on right every race but that separates the haves and have not’s mate you have no idea most drivers are running brand new right rear tyres all the time its the poor track conditions thats blowing them off the rim
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 8, 2024 20:16:45 GMT 12
In one of the past few SNZ news letters they have updated us on the status of the outside flat tyres. they are now currently investigating into putting up finner mesh fences (some tracks are currently running and have been for years quite effectively on the corners) and once they have all their findings will put out a standard to all tracks to upgrade to and we will hopefully move on and get back to normal.. Its just a shame that they waited till the off season was over and all the tracks had put their fences back up to now have to change it again. Hope we can get it sorted soon
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Post by conrod on Jan 8, 2024 20:25:31 GMT 12
yes I thought about the time issue that was my reservation, I have been close to some big clumps and seen people hit but that’s the nature of the beast imho , I was asking about tyres as all I can think is put new tyres on right every race but that separates the haves and have not’s mate you have no idea most drivers are running brand new right rear tyres all the time its the poor track conditions thats blowing them off the rim Yes Track , tyre pressures ? Nicks in tyre walls It’s a combination of things how do you mitigate your chances ? I was thinking keep changing your tyres ? 🙄No need to get upset ?😊 You still have the ones that can afford and not afford ? I would be gutted to come up from the bottom half of the South Island and go home empty because I got a flat tyre ?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2024 20:40:40 GMT 12
I didn't keep a running tally, but quite a few of the cars sent infield with flat right rears were after the car had been rolled. Not sure how many pulled off knowingly with a flat right side tyre. I don't think there was too many?
Barry B
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 8, 2024 20:45:14 GMT 12
mate you have no idea most drivers are running brand new right rear tyres all the time its the poor track conditions thats blowing them off the rim Yes Track , tyre pressures ? Nicks in tyre walls It’s a combination of things how do you mitigate your chances ? I was thinking keep changing your tyres ? 🙄No need to get upset ?😊 You still have the ones that can afford and not afford ? I would be gutted to come up from the bottom half of the South Island and go home empty because I got a flat tyre ? Yea mate i know people blowing tyres off at over 30psi. In most cases track conditions have been the leading cause, esspically when it comes to national stockcar tittles where you have 200+ narrow tyred stockcars out there and no big wheel support classes to help smooth the track out Most of the time the tyres are blowen off the rim well before they get worn out these days And trust me i know all to well about traveling the length of the country to get caught out with a outside flat tyre on the last corner of a race and getting dq after the race is over. It really does hurt mate and it has really dropped the morrel of the stockcar classes across the board i hope it can be solved sooner rather than later before too many walk away for good
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Post by midway on Jan 8, 2024 20:45:48 GMT 12
And when you have Demo derbys on the same track ,the little sharp objects just dont vanish in a hurry .even with the best emu parades or a magnet ...
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 8, 2024 20:46:33 GMT 12
I didn't keep a running tally, but quite a few of the cars sent infield with flat right rears were after the car had been rolled. Not sure how many pulled off knowingly with a flat right side tyre. I don't think there was too many? Barry B There was a couple in the weekend but not as many in recent times It tends to effect the stockcars more as there tyres dont roll over in the sidewall quite like hoosier on superstock although i have also seen alot of the new superstock dirt tyres come off on a stockcar and i think the high horspower tends to skip over the top of the ruts more
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 8, 2024 20:52:49 GMT 12
I have a solid rubber tire on my wheelbarrow, Hmmmmm. .
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 8, 2024 20:54:04 GMT 12
And when you have Demo derbys on the same track ,the little sharp objects just dont vanish in a hurry .even with the best emu parades or a magnet ... This doesnt often happen ive run over a few things and ripped up the tread but never been bad enough to puncture When you go to remove the flat tyre off and replace it with the new one most of the time the tyres still in one piece it has just popped off the bead only
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Post by conrod on Jan 8, 2024 21:02:04 GMT 12
Yes Track , tyre pressures ? Nicks in tyre walls It’s a combination of things how do you mitigate your chances ? I was thinking keep changing your tyres ? 🙄No need to get upset ?😊 You still have the ones that can afford and not afford ? I would be gutted to come up from the bottom half of the South Island and go home empty because I got a flat tyre ? Yea mate i know people blowing tyres off at over 30psi. In most cases track conditions have been the leading cause, esspically when it comes to national stockcar tittles where you have 200+ narrow tyred stockcars out there and no big wheel support classes to help smooth the track out Most of the time the tyres are blowen off the rim well before they get worn out these days And trust me i know all to well about traveling the length of the country to get caught out with a outside flat tyre on the last corner of a race and getting dq after the race is over. It really does hurt mate and it has really dropped the morrel of the stockcar classes across the board i hope it can be solved sooner rather than later before too many walk away for good It certainly makes you question the travel /$$ involved ,hence the 4 qualifying race comment been busy with work commitments this season and was gob smacked when I heard the tyre rule
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Post by woodart on Jan 8, 2024 23:37:45 GMT 12
are beadlocks legal on superstocks?
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 9, 2024 0:20:19 GMT 12
are beadlocks legal on superstocks? No they arent but i think its time that they should be introduced in both stockcars and superstocks, could be brought in under safety surely. Would definatley reduce the risk of mud going into the crowd ofcourse you will still get the odd puncture but this would be a good step in the right direction
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Post by meeaneemic on Jan 9, 2024 5:41:12 GMT 12
The issue with r/ flat tyres is one flat tyre and your out of the running, Is there a limit on the number of tyres you can use in a night ? Was wondering if you have 4 heats and you have to throw out your worst result ? At least you still have a chance maybe some other ideas out there ? That's a tough one. Unless somebody can design a catch fence that stops all clay from the inside but you can still see through clearly from the outside. Four heats would not work, given current car numbers in both Stockcars and Superstocks, due to time constraints. Both struggle to finish at a respectable time as it is. Barry B The outside flats rule sucks and we know why it's enforced. There are tyre foam products on the market to help keep them inflated if suffering a puncture. I do understand a cut Superstock tyre could mean it has a good sized rip in it but possibly some of these products could be trialed to see if adaptable for the sport??? Just a side word about the non explanation of the Miers incident, Paul Hickey and I were told ''Not'' to give out the reason for his Exclusion from the event and if we had been able too then for sure we would have got Ross Thurston the Ref to explain.
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