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Post by Tony on Jan 9, 2024 6:06:30 GMT 12
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Post by FlyingTheV on Jan 9, 2024 8:08:37 GMT 12
Well done Tony.....a good read.
By comparison, the local HB Today newspaper has had zero coverage of the results. Since Shayne Hurndell left their ranks the coverage of speedway (& a lot of other sports) has been embarrasingly inept.
Keep up the good work sir.
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Post by meeaneemic on Jan 9, 2024 8:27:42 GMT 12
Well done Tony.....a good read. By comparison, the local HB Today newspaper has had zero coverage of the results. Since Shayne Hurndell left their ranks the coverage of speedway (& a lot of other sports) has been embarrasingly inept. Keep up the good work sir. Yeah Shane was good for Media coverage. He was up in the Box with us Sunday but only covering the event for the dirt Track Mag.
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Post by 05 on Jan 9, 2024 15:30:03 GMT 12
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Post by FlyingTheV on Jan 10, 2024 10:14:59 GMT 12
Et voila!!!!
Shane must've been looking at Macgors :-).
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Post by beachboy on Jan 10, 2024 16:46:14 GMT 12
The Flat Tyre rule I assumed was to reduce dirt flung out of the track after some complaints? Again not sure on specifics. Maybe I'm more annoyed at how this is policed by Speedway NZ as a lot of it just doesn't make any sense. E.g if your in block mode and not flinging up dirt, why be pulled off? The flat tyre rule came in following multiple crowd strikes at multiple tracks across the country. When such an occurrence happens you can no longer bury your head in the sand when you can make a rule to mitigate the problem. At the last Waikaraka meeting I attended a Stockcar popped a tyre in cemetery bend and credit to the driver retired to the infield once they were aware. Regardless, the amount and size of dirt clumps that was flung into the crowd was frightening. The whole notion of cars going slowly with flats was widely discussed at the AGM when the flat tyre rule initially came in. The officials can't officiate it and how slow is slow enough? The reason it's allowed in teams racing is because there are 8 cars on track and officials can officiate with the lower car count. so what is the actual rulling or speed restriction on flat tyre's in teams racing? How slow is slow enough in teams racing with a flat?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 10, 2024 17:07:53 GMT 12
The flat tyre rule came in following multiple crowd strikes at multiple tracks across the country. When such an occurrence happens you can no longer bury your head in the sand when you can make a rule to mitigate the problem. At the last Waikaraka meeting I attended a Stockcar popped a tyre in cemetery bend and credit to the driver retired to the infield once they were aware. Regardless, the amount and size of dirt clumps that was flung into the crowd was frightening. The whole notion of cars going slowly with flats was widely discussed at the AGM when the flat tyre rule initially came in. The officials can't officiate it and how slow is slow enough? The reason it's allowed in teams racing is because there are 8 cars on track and officials can officiate with the lower car count. so what is the actual rulling or speed restriction on flat tyre's in teams racing? How slow is slow enough in teams racing with a flat? I don't think there is a limit, but with only 8 cars as opposed to 26, and often less than 8 after a couple of laps, and being teams racing over individual racing, it's generally at a slower pace and much easier for officials and spectators to keep an eye on what's going on. A car in a teams race with a flat right side tyre will generally slow right down and wait for victims. They will also generally spend much of that time on the inside of opponents cars. . Barry B
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Post by grindingdisc on Jan 10, 2024 17:44:50 GMT 12
so what is the actual rulling or speed restriction on flat tyre's in teams racing? How slow is slow enough in teams racing with a flat? I don't think there is a limit, but with only 8 cars as opposed to 26, and often less than 8 after a couple of laps, and being teams racing over individual racing, it's generally at a slower pace and much easier for officials and spectators to keep an eye on what's going on. A car in a teams race with a flat right side tyre will generally slow right down and wait for victims. They will also generally spend much of that time on the inside of opponents cars. . Barry B What if your the lead car and only one mobile in your team with a flat tyre and 2 laps to go barry, are you ment to just stop and block? Still dont understand how you can in teams racing but not a run off with only like 2 cars
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Post by BarryB on Jan 10, 2024 18:14:11 GMT 12
I don't think there is a limit, but with only 8 cars as opposed to 26, and often less than 8 after a couple of laps, and being teams racing over individual racing, it's generally at a slower pace and much easier for officials and spectators to keep an eye on what's going on. A car in a teams race with a flat right side tyre will generally slow right down and wait for victims. They will also generally spend much of that time on the inside of opponents cars. . Barry B What if your the lead car and only one mobile in your team with a flat tyre and 2 laps to go barry, are you ment to just stop and block? Still dont understand how you can in teams racing but not a run off with only like 2 cars There will always be the "what ifs....." You won't get any argument from me on the run-off rule. I agree 110% that it should be that teams racing rules apply. Barry B
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Post by The Observer on Jan 10, 2024 23:53:05 GMT 12
I think it’s pretty simple with the flat tyre rule
If your going in hot you throw up big chunks
If your crawling the poleline looking for lead cars you don’t
See big chunks of mud flying over the fence your off.
It’s not that hard in my humble opinion
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Post by my2cents on Jan 11, 2024 7:14:50 GMT 12
I think it’s pretty simple with the flat tyre rule If your going in hot you throw up big chunks If your crawling the poleline looking for lead cars you don’t See big chunks of mud flying over the fence your off. It’s not that hard in my humble opinion Problem is it only takes 1 big chunk to go over the fence and hurt someone
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Post by Chopper on Jan 11, 2024 12:46:44 GMT 12
I think it’s pretty simple with the flat tyre rule If your going in hot you throw up big chunks If your crawling the poleline looking for lead cars you don’t See big chunks of mud flying over the fence your off. It’s not that hard in my humble opinion Problem is it only takes 1 big chunk to go over the fence and hurt someone But in the same breath, how do you define 'big chunk'? When on Sunday there were golf ball sized bits of dirt coming off cars with fully inflated tyres (on the exit of turn 4) - and they still hurt when they get you on the head or arm etc. Is that not just as dangerous? If a car with a flat tyre is circling slowly and not throwing clumps of mud over the fence, I reckon they should be allowed to continue to gather points or at the very least attempt to take someone out 🙂
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Post by beachboy on Jan 11, 2024 19:34:27 GMT 12
so what is the actual rulling or speed restriction on flat tyre's in teams racing? How slow is slow enough in teams racing with a flat? I don't think there is a limit, but with only 8 cars as opposed to 26, and often less than 8 after a couple of laps, and being teams racing over individual racing, it's generally at a slower pace and much easier for officials and spectators to keep an eye on what's going on. A car in a teams race with a flat right side tyre will generally slow right down and wait for victims. They will also generally spend much of that time on the inside of opponents cars. . Barry B so when you say "much easier for officials to keep an eye on" what are you referring to? Is there a rule in teams racing we don't know about regarding flat tyre's that officials can enforce?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 11, 2024 20:41:08 GMT 12
I don't think there is a limit, but with only 8 cars as opposed to 26, and often less than 8 after a couple of laps, and being teams racing over individual racing, it's generally at a slower pace and much easier for officials and spectators to keep an eye on what's going on. A car in a teams race with a flat right side tyre will generally slow right down and wait for victims. They will also generally spend much of that time on the inside of opponents cars. . Barry B so when you say "much easier for officials to keep an eye on" what are you referring to? Is there a rule in teams racing we don't know about regarding flat tyre's that officials can enforce? Everything beachbum. It's big picture stuff. A troll may not "get it" Barry B
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 11, 2024 20:51:16 GMT 12
I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but if it is not black and white it will be a very hard rule to police if grey. How fast can the cars go? how big of a chunk? etc etc.
Plus, most of the tracks I spectate at, the clumps go over the fence and not through.
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Post by hbhornets on Jan 11, 2024 23:09:56 GMT 12
I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but if it is not black and white it will be a very hard rule to police if grey. How fast can the cars go? how big of a chunk? etc etc. Plus, most of the tracks I spectate at, the clumps go over the fence and not through. At most tracks I've been to the clay goes over the fence and it also goes into a certain area when the track is in a certain condition. Since the rule has the number of people hurt by clay changed since bringing in the tyre rule. What are rhe statics. Has data been collected? Or this is there only solution. Which is merely a box ticking exercise. Look we are trying to do something.
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 12, 2024 7:36:59 GMT 12
Someone may be able to answer my question, in 1996 76s got =2nd and there was no run off to decide 2nd & 3rd, is this correct, if so why no run off?? .
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Post by FlyingTheV on Jan 12, 2024 8:21:31 GMT 12
Pretty sure Tony Mac beat Uhlenberg in a run off for 2nd & 3rd Roxy.
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Post by 57victoria on Jan 12, 2024 10:21:57 GMT 12
I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but if it is not black and white it will be a very hard rule to police if grey. How fast can the cars go? how big of a chunk? etc etc. Plus, most of the tracks I spectate at, the clumps go over the fence and not through. At most tracks I've been to the clay goes over the fence and it also goes into a certain area when the track is in a certain condition. Since the rule has the number of people hurt by clay changed since bringing in the tyre rule. What are rhe statics. Has data been collected? Or this is there only solution. Which is merely a box ticking exercise. Look we are trying to do something. Lets hope we don't get to the situation where, like a lot of American tracks, there is no seating on the corners.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 12, 2024 10:28:26 GMT 12
Someone may be able to answer my question, in 1996 76s got =2nd and there was no run off to decide 2nd & 3rd, is this correct, if so why no run off?? . I wasn't at that NZ Champs (at Woodford Glen) but if in fact they were 2nd= I'm 99.99999% there was a run-off (0.00001% doubt in case Chris had to forfeit for some reason), but Tony Mac was 2nz and Chris was 3nz. Prior to run-offs being instigated there was 2 x points-ties for 3rd place (1972 & 1977), 1 x points-tie for second place (1974) and 1 x points-tie for first place (1975). So in 1975 Ray Morrow and Tub Warner were joint NZ champions, the only time that has ever happened. And drivers didn't carry the 1nz, 2nz or 3nz back then. Since run-offs became "a thing" there has only been one points-tie not separated by a run-off, and that was for 3rd place at Blenheim in 2000. Tony Mac (again) and Stan Hickey were tied on points, but by the time that was discovered it was the early hours of the next morning and drivers had been in the club rooms for some time. Barry B
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