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Post by The Observer on May 28, 2009 20:33:08 GMT 12
Bout time Minisprints and Modified Sprints merged into one class aint it? A compromise in the rules, or upspec the Minisprints to be competive with the Modified sprints. Seems silly having one class in the south, and another in the north when it could be a truely national class? question - are both classes based on a winged midget chassis. question - can you run a diff or chain in both classes. question - what are the differences in lap times between the classes. apologies for the brevity. cheers |
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Post by mod46c on May 29, 2009 8:05:49 GMT 12
Quick question, do the mini-sprints as specified in NZ (or close too), run anywhere else in the world?
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Post by Mark on May 29, 2009 9:46:45 GMT 12
Quick question, do the mini-sprints as specified in NZ (or close too), run anywhere else in the world? There's a class in Oz called Litresprints, in which motorcycle or 1500cc car engines can be used. Other than that, don't know |
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Post by mod46c on May 29, 2009 16:10:43 GMT 12
Quick question, do the mini-sprints as specified in NZ (or close too), run anywhere else in the world? There's a class in Oz called Litresprints, in which motorcycle or 1500cc car engines can be used. Other than that, don't know So both classes would need to change engines to meet the Specification in Oz? |
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Post by Eventual Racer on May 29, 2009 20:21:16 GMT 12
There's a class in Oz called Litresprints, in which motorcycle or 1500cc car engines can be used. Other than that, don't know So both classes would need to change engines to meet the Specification in Oz? Pretty much. Also I should have my minisprint going next season. |
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Post by edwards73 on May 29, 2009 21:18:16 GMT 12
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Post by thr31c on May 29, 2009 21:36:50 GMT 12
Mark, check out www.modifiedsprints.co.nz this site has info on lap times etc of modified sprints. I have two of these and prefered this class to minisprints due to the fact that they were faster than any minisprints that were running down this part of the country and I understand that some of the minisprint guys are spending big money on motors. I imported two 2005 GSXR1000 motorbike motors from the USA and landed them here for $8200.00 for them both. with our rules that state they have to remain stock, you just bolt them in and go racing. Minisprints are run in the USA, but they dont run car motors, just motorbike motors and they are chain driven. They are quite big up around New York. |
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Post by penrith1 on May 29, 2009 21:38:34 GMT 12
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Post by penrith1 on May 30, 2009 20:44:03 GMT 12
Bout time Minisprints and Modified Sprints merged into one class aint it? A compromise in the rules, or upspec the Minisprints to be competive with the Modified sprints. Seems silly having one class in the south, and another in the north when it could be a truely national class? It can be done , but you would need a faze in period like there doing over here in Australia, to try and make a better , stronger national division, . There obviously two entirely different categorys of racing, but very close to one another. Have a read of some of the threads I have attached in a previous post, it can be done . |
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Post by jb14 on May 30, 2009 21:35:44 GMT 12
what is the minimum weight for a modified sprint? I cant find it listed anywhere. is it 100kgs lighter than a mini sprint as breka73 has listed above.
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Post by thr31c on May 30, 2009 23:13:18 GMT 12
what is the minimum weight for a modified sprint? I cant find it listed anywhere. is it 100kgs lighter than a mini sprint as breka73 has listed above. Modified sprints weigh around 350kg |
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Post by Eventual Racer on May 31, 2009 1:59:14 GMT 12
Your right! that piece of info isn't any where. Just read thru three different years off ruule book and it doesn't mention weight at all. Very strange
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Post by jb14 on May 31, 2009 12:32:05 GMT 12
I beleive if modified sprints are brought in line with the same weight as minisprints then the 2 classes could merge together. the modifieds are quicker at moment (past 4/5 seasons) against the south island minisprints but most of the south island minisprints that were down there would only be mid to rear pack runners against the north island cars of today, meaning that todays North island minisprints would be on par with modified sprints if not quicker if the modifieds weight where the same as ours 420kgs minimum. as for motor cost comparisons the motor bike motors would be cheaper if stock standard but its all about spending money in the right places and a 2-5k minisprint motor can be just as quick and reliable as a 10-20k car minisprint motor.
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Post by ben crowe on Jun 1, 2009 22:48:00 GMT 12
yer me mate just bought a mini sprint outa chch and is looking for contacts in the lower south island who can point him in the rite direction and wants to know what clubs got the grade running and where he can find others to race wif as cant find any1 in the deep south at the moment to run wif cheer phill Unfortunately, the Minisprints aren't contracting to any SI SNZ tracks at the moment. We sometimes allow the cars to run with the Modified Sprints though. I'm the Modified Sprint class rep for the Modified Sprint club, so if you ever decide that you want to run at Ruapuna or Ellesmere, feel free to give me a buzz on 021 22 00 911 question - are both classes based on a winged midget chassis. question - can you run a diff or chain in both classes. question - what are the differences in lap times between the classes. 1st question: yes sort of, but both classes are now more or less utilising purpose built chassis ie. Henchcraft Modified Sprint, or the new Aggressor Minisprint. 2nd question: Modified Sprints are chain drive only. Minisprints Diff drive only, as per SNZ rulebook 3rd question: The Modified Sprint lap record is 14.38 seconds at Ruapuna, Minisprints, 15.45 seconds. |
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Post by modsprintsnz on Jun 2, 2009 20:50:40 GMT 12
This topic (merging of the class) has been touched on in the past and when taken to a modifiedsprint drivers meeting the undoubtful decision of staying as "Modifiedsprints" was voted on.
I do believe that the two classes will remain as seperate entities and race in the seperate islands respectively, sadly for the mini-sprint class I reckon that any cars that are in the South will always be (as referred to by JB14) mid to rear of the field runners - it's a simple demographic/costing issue. Most cars that will be introduced to the south (if it happens) will only be North Island hand-me-downs due to upgrades - until such time that the class "blooms" in the South I couldnt see anyone running out and building/buying a state of the art/front running machine.....
A recent proposal by SNZ to further downgrade the modifiedsprints to a "Local" class - would or SHOULD have had similar implications on Mini-sprints in my mind - however it does seem that mini-sprints will continue to retain their "National" status....the Modifiedsprints are continuing to hold on to their regional status in hope of further expanding the class (fail to see how being "local" would have been good for the class overall)
I'm trying not to sound negative in this post (but guessing it reads that way) both classes have further potential and a place in the SNZ roster, and both have been the making/starting point of some of today's top speedway star's.
Enough of this ramble...and back to the original "Mini-sprint" topic
Sdemon
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Post by wayne on Jun 2, 2009 23:03:48 GMT 12
This topic (merging of the class) has been touched on in the past and when taken to a modifiedsprint drivers meeting the undoubtful decision of staying as "Modifiedsprints" was voted on. I do believe that the two classes will remain as seperate entities and race in the seperate islands respectively, sadly for the mini-sprint class I reckon that any cars that are in the South will always be (as referred to by JB14) mid to rear of the field runners - it's a simple demographic/costing issue. Most cars that will be introduced to the south (if it happens) will only be North Island hand-me-downs due to upgrades - until such time that the class "blooms" in the South I couldnt see anyone running out and building/buying a state of the art/front running machine..... A recent proposal by SNZ to further downgrade the modifiedsprints to a "Local" class - would or SHOULD have had similar implications on Mini-sprints in my mind - however it does seem that mini-sprints will continue to retain their "National" status....the Modifiedsprints are continuing to hold on to their regional status in hope of further expanding the class (fail to see how being "local" would have been good for the class overall) I'm trying not to sound negative in this post (but guessing it reads that way) both classes have further potential and a place in the SNZ roster, and both have been the making/starting point of some of today's top speedway star's. Enough of this ramble...and back to the original "Mini-sprint" topic Sdemon how can you think they should down grade the minisprints? just cause they did the modified sprints? or wanted too, you have 10 modified sprints in the whole of nzl and 50? odd minisprints in nzl, now i aint a bright spark but that is a hell of a big difference, and i know they dont run to often down south but there is 6 tracks running minisprints in nzl and 1? running modified sprints |
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Post by modsprintsnz on Jun 3, 2009 10:25:36 GMT 12
This topic (merging of the class) has been touched on in the past and when taken to a modifiedsprint drivers meeting the undoubtful decision of staying as "Modifiedsprints" was voted on. I do believe that the two classes will remain as seperate entities and race in the seperate islands respectively, sadly for the mini-sprint class I reckon that any cars that are in the South will always be (as referred to by JB14) mid to rear of the field runners - it's a simple demographic/costing issue. Most cars that will be introduced to the south (if it happens) will only be North Island hand-me-downs due to upgrades - until such time that the class "blooms" in the South I couldnt see anyone running out and building/buying a state of the art/front running machine..... A recent proposal by SNZ to further downgrade the modifiedsprints to a "Local" class - would or SHOULD have had similar implications on Mini-sprints in my mind - however it does seem that mini-sprints will continue to retain their "National" status....the Modifiedsprints are continuing to hold on to their regional status in hope of further expanding the class (fail to see how being "local" would have been good for the class overall) I'm trying not to sound negative in this post (but guessing it reads that way) both classes have further potential and a place in the SNZ roster, and both have been the making/starting point of some of today's top speedway star's. Enough of this ramble...and back to the original "Mini-sprint" topic Sdemon how can you think they should down grade the minisprints? just cause they did the modified sprints? or wanted too, you have 10 modified sprints in the whole of nzl and 50? odd minisprints in nzl, now i aint a bright spark but that is a hell of a big difference, and i know they dont run to often down south but there is 6 tracks running minisprints in nzl and 1? running modified sprints It's a simple GEOGRAPHY thing....Modifiedsprints have around 20 cars (with a few more tucked away in dark corners of sheds from what I hear) Yes the Modifiedsprints run in the South Island at really only at one track correct, so have a regional status. Mini-sprints run all over the North Island at various tracks - as this post has stated in the past, there are currently none running in the South Island! Modifiedsprints + South Island = Regional class Minisprints + North island = National Class How does that work??? SNZ's intention to downgrade the modifiedsprints further to "Local" should in this case be reflected by the North Island class should it not? I'm not suggesting it will happen (and hope it doesnt for ALL involved) - just seems strange that one class would be down-graded further, while the other retains a MUCH higher status, when they are essentially run the same way..... The Modifiedsprint class over the past few seasons HAS actually in some ways tried to keep the minisprints as national as possible by inviting and allowing the mini-sprints to run with them in the South - however it seems that many of the Southern cars were snapped up by the sudden North Island boom - leaving less than a handful of cars down here - all of which havent seen the light of day (or stadiums) for the past 2 seasons!!! So you certainly cant say we are against the minisprints - I cant even begin to say why none have shown to race!  I really dont want to get into a dirt slinging/slagging fight over this, as both classes DO need to look at options as to where the future of the respective classes are heading.... Sdemon |
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Post by jb14 on Jun 3, 2009 19:02:20 GMT 12
I was informed today that there were 60 registered minisprint drivers this past season with at least 10 new drivers joining us for 09/10 season our number are only going to increase. with 6 tracks with registered cars and the possibility of 2-4 more tracks inviting our class to race at there meetings. No real comparison to modified sprint numbers
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Post by Sharns With Sparky on Jun 3, 2009 19:52:16 GMT 12
would love to see minisprints scream around wanganui i hear there is one there now ??
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Post by carpet on Jun 12, 2009 22:05:48 GMT 12
hi all ,tomorrow in Hamilton is the North Island mini sprint AGM at 1PM Then Go Karting ,Then prize giving ,hope to see ya there
Ph JASON for Details 0272844309
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