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Post by steve on Nov 5, 2009 22:32:43 GMT 12
Next year hopefully
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Post by porry41 on Nov 6, 2009 7:08:30 GMT 12
next year hopefully .sounds like a tui add. add to the mix .engine set back & all g/boxes mounted to motor .like aussie .but no we will stick to our lumbering gaints that have 800/1000hp to do a job that 300/400hp would do with set back .we will have wayne belk over from aussie over xmass in his mopar 360 valiant super no 20 year rule over there either . but itll never happen as chris says .to hard basket  i think the whole tech board should be tossed .how many people parked up because they cant afford speedway anymore . in all classes ..why are black tracks booming .  103/4 i have a van down back of yard full of them givin to me buy a mod guy whos retired. there free to any one that wants them but the saloon boys cry because they cant use them .proberly ( cut them up for door mats .  |
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Post by Nigel on Nov 6, 2009 10:18:32 GMT 12
Iff you look in the old rule book the same rule is there T11-2-12 c . A 14 inch tyre on a 14 inch rim measures appox 19 inches at stub axle height so whats the problem? As for rule changes did you go to your remit meeting and vote? I sure did - and I know Wellington didn't vote for ANY of the new rules - because I wrote down our responses to the remits Like I said, and have said in posts at the time - special interest group of about half a dozen from some of the northern tracks got together and rigged up the rules (and votes) for what they wanted to see - bye bye $5 mirrors and $100 weight jackers... come on in expensive bead lock wheels!! But did they think to make the tyre choice cheaper - of course not! Chris, I look forward to meeting you at Baypark to "discuss" your one eyed opinions and to "correct" you on some of your wildly incorrect accusations. I challenge you or anyone else in the country to prove that I don't have this classes "best interests" at heart!!!!! Yes, I have had a gutsful of this negative b/s coming from Chris13W. He seems intelligent and has some excellent views and opinions, but as for facts... NONE!!!!! Regards, Nigel Wilton 9H Saloon Driver Cow Shed Meeting Organiser www.nlwracing.co.nz |
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Post by Nigel on Nov 6, 2009 10:20:51 GMT 12
This season, actually, at a venue to be confirmed. Do you guys not read SNZ updates? |
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Post by chris13w on Nov 6, 2009 12:08:20 GMT 12
I sure did - and I know Wellington didn't vote for ANY of the new rules - because I wrote down our responses to the remits Like I said, and have said in posts at the time - special interest group of about half a dozen from some of the northern tracks got together and rigged up the rules (and votes) for what they wanted to see - bye bye $5 mirrors and $100 weight jackers... come on in expensive bead lock wheels!! But did they think to make the tyre choice cheaper - of course not! Chris, I look forward to meeting you at Baypark to "discuss" your one eyed opinions and to "correct" you on some of your wildly incorrect accusations. I challenge you or anyone else in the country to prove that I don't have this classes "best interests" at heart!!!!! Yes, I have had a gutsful of this negative b/s coming from Chris13W. He seems intelligent and has some excellent views and opinions, but as for facts... NONE!!!!! Regards, Nigel Wilton 9H Saloon Driver Cow Shed Meeting Organiser www.nlwracing.co.nz Nigel - you seem to be taking personally that the SNZ AGM system for setting rules is wrong and is seriously at risk of being high jacked by special interest groups who get together a few tracks representatives and decide they know best. (Plenty have commented on this, Murray Guy went along to the AGM and I think he pretty much reported the same thing - its all horse trading, I'll support your hobby horse if you support mine)... And I'm just pointing out one instance here - plenty of other classes have the same issues as well with their own rules. I stand by what I have said on numerous occasions - a very small number of northern drivers got together and then pushed through a bunch of rules that DO NOT further the best aims of the class, in my opinion and in the opinion of a bunch of others. For a start if you wanted to forward the class, it would have made sense to consider the A Grades in the South Island as well - of course they can't have 406's and Berts - but if you put their 104's into the equation its one less trivial thing they have to change to race as Saloons. But we've been through all this debate on here before, and its irrelevant until the next AGM gets high jacked and messes with the rules in some other direction... And happy to get together in your cow shed for a chat about it - I think we'd have a great debate! Cheers Chris Hadley 13W |
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Post by Nigel on Nov 6, 2009 14:50:00 GMT 12
Chris, I look forward to meeting you at Baypark to "discuss" your one eyed opinions and to "correct" you on some of your wildly incorrect accusations. I challenge you or anyone else in the country to prove that I don't have this classes "best interests" at heart!!!!! Yes, I have had a gutsful of this negative b/s coming from Chris13W. He seems intelligent and has some excellent views and opinions, but as for facts... NONE!!!!! Regards, Nigel Wilton 9H Saloon Driver Cow Shed Meeting Organiser www.nlwracing.co.nz Nigel - you seem to be taking personally that the SNZ AGM system for setting rules is wrong and is seriously at risk of being high jacked by special interest groups who get together a few tracks representatives and decide they know best. (Plenty have commented on this, Murray Guy went along to the AGM and I think he pretty much reported the same thing - its all horse trading, I'll support your hobby horse if you support mine)... And I'm just pointing out one instance here - plenty of other classes have the same issues as well with their own rules. I stand by what I have said on numerous occasions - a very small number of northern drivers got together and then pushed through a bunch of rules that DO NOT further the best aims of the class, in my opinion and in the opinion of a bunch of others. For a start if you wanted to forward the class, it would have made sense to consider the A Grades in the South Island as well - of course they can't have 406's and Berts - but if you put their 104's into the equation its one less trivial thing they have to change to race as Saloons. But we've been through all this debate on here before, and its irrelevant until the next AGM gets high jacked and messes with the rules in some other direction... And happy to get together in your cow shed for a chat about it - I think we'd have a great debate! Cheers Chris Hadley 13W Yes, unfortunately, I am probably taking things too personally, but it is because I am desperately passionate about this class. I look forward to the "debate" and YOU will be buying the drinks...  Nigel |
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Post by bikeboy on Nov 6, 2009 16:01:45 GMT 12
Chris i can see why Nigel got upset about you calling the club he works hard at to make better being called a cow shed, (remember its the best club run track for a reason)
the meeting you claim set all the rules did not even discuss tyre sizes, bead locks, mirrors or weight jackers, it set the basic rules to go though that we all agree about, anything that was in dispute was told it would be put before the AGM, which is was, i can not see why the fact that your club did not get its way hardly means that it is all wrong,
your right about the agm, it is not true democaracy, if it was those bunch of northern tracks that you talk about would have a lot more votes and tracks with the tracks with smaller amount of cars would get less percentage of the vote than you did,
as for my view, i think the no mirrors is horrible, but think that bed locks are good,
and the 104 tyres i think you make a point with cheap second hand tyres, but be expecting guys to buy new ones as well, i think their are pluses and minues to the current 100" rule,
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Post by 98wsaloon on Nov 6, 2009 16:07:00 GMT 12
come on guys ,i asked a question about tyres and BOOM.all i want to know is whats the max tread width we are allowed.can we run 15x15?instead of the normal 31x13?  ? ::)because there cheaper |
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Post by chris13w on Nov 6, 2009 16:20:27 GMT 12
Nigel - you seem to be taking personally that the SNZ AGM system for setting rules is wrong and is seriously at risk of being high jacked by special interest groups who get together a few tracks representatives and decide they know best. (Plenty have commented on this, Murray Guy went along to the AGM and I think he pretty much reported the same thing - its all horse trading, I'll support your hobby horse if you support mine)... And I'm just pointing out one instance here - plenty of other classes have the same issues as well with their own rules. I stand by what I have said on numerous occasions - a very small number of northern drivers got together and then pushed through a bunch of rules that DO NOT further the best aims of the class, in my opinion and in the opinion of a bunch of others. For a start if you wanted to forward the class, it would have made sense to consider the A Grades in the South Island as well - of course they can't have 406's and Berts - but if you put their 104's into the equation its one less trivial thing they have to change to race as Saloons. But we've been through all this debate on here before, and its irrelevant until the next AGM gets high jacked and messes with the rules in some other direction... And happy to get together in your cow shed for a chat about it - I think we'd have a great debate! Cheers Chris Hadley 13W Yes, unfortunately, I am probably taking things too personally, but it is because I am desperately passionate about this class. I look forward to the "debate" and YOU will be buying the drinks... Nigel Done! I think we're both passionate about the subject, and I know you did all the work to get us a National class, so utmost respect for that! And no worries Nigel, I'll happily buy you a drink anytime! In fact, are you heading down our way for the Saloon GP on the 5th? Cheers Chris |
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Post by chris13w on Nov 6, 2009 16:26:17 GMT 12
Chris i can see why Nigel got upset about you calling the club he works hard at to make better being called a cow shed, (remember its the best club run track for a reason) the meeting you claim set all the rules did not even discuss tyre sizes, bead locks, mirrors or weight jackers, it set the basic rules to go though that we all agree about, anything that was in dispute was told it would be put before the AGM, which is was, i can not see why the fact that your club did not get its way hardly means that it is all wrong, your right about the agm, it is not true democaracy, if it was those bunch of northern tracks that you talk about would have a lot more votes and tracks with the tracks with smaller amount of cars would get less percentage of the vote than you did, as for my view, i think the no mirrors is horrible, but think that bed locks are good, and the 104 tyres i think you make a point with cheap second hand tyres, but be expecting guys to buy new ones as well, i think their are pluses and minues to the current 100" rule, Nope, the AGM process doesn't work - but it won't be changing! And even if we had to run on wooden tyres there would still be someone having them hand turned from exotic rain forest mahogany if they thought it was an advantage... Still going to save a mint for the average racer though if we could use hand me down 104's |
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Post by scotty 911w on Nov 6, 2009 16:49:10 GMT 12
Of course you could always go the other way and run tiny tyres... Like the Late model running at Baypark last year that was running 92-11 x 15 Right Rears...   Mind you - it looked stupid and handled like crap... whats wrong with running smaller tyres ?as i know nothing of saloons at this stage ;Dcan they not be use to change gearing??i found it a easy way to acomplish that on my prody this thread makes for intresting reading,i hope the rules dont cange to much before i finish my saloon scotty 11w saloon (next season) |
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Post by 98wsaloon on Nov 6, 2009 18:59:13 GMT 12
good thinking scotty but na ,not in this case.dont forget theres plenty of us here to help you with your car just ask mate.
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Post by knownotmuch on Nov 7, 2009 14:17:46 GMT 12
Personally as one who does not really know too much, I think any rules that allow budget competitors to still excel in the Saloon class are good rules. The reason Jill and I follow Saloon and stockcars in preference to Supersaloons and Superstocks, is the type of competitor one meets. The people that use Kiwi ingenuity instead of big dollars, are more interesting to talk too and seem to race with plenty of passion. I have seen plenty of hissy fits being thrown by drivers in the big budget classes, but very few by the stockcar and saloon drivers.
There appears to be a greater camaraderie amongst our 2 favourite classes and a greater appreciation of the paying public and dedicated supporters. One or two of the Super-Saloon and Stock drivers take time to talk to people in the pits. Almost all of the Saloon and Stockcar drivers do.
The point of my ramble is that keeping Saloon and Stockcars affordable to the average working person has a lot wider pay-off for the 2 classes than just keeping competitor number healthy.
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Post by 98wsaloon on Nov 8, 2009 18:31:43 GMT 12
couldnt have said it better ... ;D
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Nov 8, 2009 20:50:34 GMT 12
... Do you guys not read SNZ updates? SNZ could do a lot better for it's members in the communication department, and all the signs indicate it's heading in the right direction. To rely on a club notice board (if your club has one) or newsletter for SNZ updates / news or hope all members are on the net is inadequate for a professional organisation. In saying that, professionalism costs, and we might have to pay more. I appreciate the SNZ CEO's postings on Macgors advising to check the SNZ site. |
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Post by chris13w on Nov 8, 2009 21:25:40 GMT 12
I wonder which SI track will get the first SI Saloon champs??
....and if any top NI cars will do the Super Saloon trick and contract to an SI club for the weekend to take it away from the locals - now that wouldn't be very fair!
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i think the whole tech board should be tossed .how many people parked up because they cant afford speedway anymore . in all classes ..why are black tracks booming . 
103/4 i have a van down back of yard full of them givin to me buy a mod guy whos retired. there free to any one that wants them but the saloon boys cry because they cant use them .proberly ( cut them up for door mats . 
? ::)because there cheaper
