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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 10, 2010 19:32:30 GMT 12
Its the same at Bay Park.Children run rampant up and down in front of the grandstands and swing on the metal bark not half a meter from the fence.and then when racing is on they all flock right up to the fence when there is an accident. I cant understand why parents fork out hard earned money for children to waste it running amok. I have said something once before and i got told piss off and not tell their kid what to do and the kid carried on swinging on the fence. Huntlys got it right though, the track side fence and then 1 about 10 to 20 meters back from that. Never a truer word spoken re the money thing... its crazy that people think that security people and event managers are babysitters. |
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Post by sketchy on Jan 10, 2010 19:36:42 GMT 12
pulling the kids back Id do, every person should be looking out for those that dont know better.
but there are adults(some I can identify as streetstock drivers at the teams) who will abuse the security for being told to move along..."but we stand here every year"
not only is it safer for those that wish to remove themselves from the gene pool, though sometimes I wish they would(not a good look in front of the kids to be honest, it was bad enough with the goose at temarua the other week)...but it also blocks the view of those in the first few rows.(and nobody goes to look at some random munters back instead of racing), and then sets a bad example for those that dont know any better
they keep threatening to stop racing at palmy, they should put them up on the big screen and red flag a race. not just make the empty threat. then show them being ejected from the venue...
its not like its a new thing, and until there is a crowd fatality or an expulsion from the ground nothing will change the mindset.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 10, 2010 19:41:45 GMT 12
Where were the streetstock drivers standing and at which track?
I just don't understand it why people can't abide by the rules and be considerate at the same time.... its not that hard!
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Post by sketchy on Jan 10, 2010 19:53:39 GMT 12
in front of the brown stands turn 2 at palmy(where the hand rail makes the 90 degree bend for the other gate)..its not unusual to see people lurking there on regular meeting nights either.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 10, 2010 20:01:25 GMT 12
in front of the brown stands turn 2 at palmy(where the hand rail makes the 90 degree bend for the other gate)..its not unusual to see people lurking there on regular meeting nights either. Ah yeah I seen a fair few people.. I'd have thought that if they're tracers they'd know better? |
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 10, 2010 20:45:08 GMT 12
A yellow line means diddly squat.
Most tracks have a safety fence then a seperating wire fence. Palmy don't. There has been plenty of lucky events there, not more notable than Mark dixon in 1994 (I think).
I believe Tim Savell (Current SNZ CEO) had a daming report on safety fences, especially Palmy, including measurements, a wee few years ago.
Nothing has been done, and if that article arrived in court the same day Tim as SNZ CEO, turned up to defend a spectator death, go figure what could happen.
Whilst I am unsure how accountable Tim could be, the fact that the track passes it's inspection each year with it's ramp based wall and people able to be so close to the safety fences that regularly has cars up in it is dubious.
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Post by TimSOZ on Jan 10, 2010 21:19:16 GMT 12
Good questions Sonic. To clarify:-
- The PN safety fence is substantially different than it was in 1994 when Dixon got airborne, and now does consist of three different barriers above the concrete wall. There is the wire rope fence, the catch fencing, and the crowd control barrier.
- SNZ has been proactive since that article was written by myself a number of years ago. An independent fence review (completed March 2009 by a consulting engineer) recommended that the speedway community were the people with the knowledge to ascertain suitable safety fence regulations moving forward.
- As a result of that report the previous batch of Directors put forward a number of proposed rule changes to the 2009 AGM that would have raised the minimum standards. Palmerston North for instance, would have been required to modify its arrangments.
- Those proposed rule changes were not successful, ie they did not find favour with the delegates at the 2009 AGM. Palmerston North's fence as presented on the weekend remains within the current SNZ regulations.
- A safety fence review committee was established at the 2009 AGM, to find a way forward. They have inspected every SNZ track over the last few months, and are in the midst of completing their initial report. No decisions have been made as to what changes any particular track may be required to make.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Tim
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 10, 2010 21:19:21 GMT 12
A yellow line means diddly squat. Most tracks have a safety fence then a seperating wire fence. Palmy don't. There has been plenty of lucky events there, not more notable than Mark dixon in 1994 (I think). I believe Tim Savell (Current SNZ CEO) had a daming report on safety fences, especially Palmy, including measurements, a wee few years ago. Nothing has been done, and if that article arrived in court the same day Tim as SNZ CEO, turned up to defend a spectator death, go figure what could happen. Whilst I am unsure how accountable Tim could be, the fact that the track passes it's inspection each year with it's ramp based wall and people able to be so close to the safety fences that regularly has cars up in it is dubious. Well Im pretty sure that if there was that much of an issue that many years ago, something would have been done about the fences at the PN track, but as it stands there hasn't.. I personally see no issue with the PNfences, and the closest call i've seen is when Stu Smith Jnr and Kerry Podjursky had their encounter at turn 4. Even then, a year later, something wasn't done so clearly there can't be an issue! |
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 10, 2010 22:00:53 GMT 12
Thanx Tim.
Your response is why you are gaining the respect you have. Very factual, from your experience.
Still think the walkway, in front of the fence, at Palmy at teams time is an accident waiting to happen. In saying that it has held up so far, whether that be better luck than manageing.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 11, 2010 15:01:29 GMT 12
Im sure its pretty much managing.... I could almost guarantee that each night either before racing starts or at the end when the night is done and the clean up begins.. they would all be checked... all the fences... and besides, hardly any people USE the walkway during racing.. unless its a sold out event.
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Post by m8sr8z on Jan 12, 2010 12:00:57 GMT 12
hahaha not guilty! I had one the first year ... but in my defence it was my very first champs experience and i didn't know better. but now i do  So u gona change your mind again on the 7th of feb?  |
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Post by ministock4d on Jan 12, 2010 12:49:20 GMT 12
i saw a kid running along between the catch fence and the saftey fence and he was sprinting as fast as he could and ran straight into the pit specators fence haha
i rekon he learnt his leason about being in front of the saftey fence
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Post by saidsaid on Jan 12, 2010 13:04:47 GMT 12
If i see children playing or standing by the fence I always tell out (nicely) or go up to them, its for their safety and parents or caregivers dont really mind at all - sometimes its just a case of not seeing them or they are away from the area they are sitting. And the officials should tell them to move, its to dangerous.
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