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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 10:01:40 GMT 12
as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased How do you figure that. Please explain.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 10:11:45 GMT 12
Busterbell, Busterbell, Busterbell....if you carry on with those (I can't even think of a word to insert here) allegations, I can imagine the Baypark Busters will be contacting you to change your macgor's logon so you appear to be in no way connected with them. Shouldn't your name be Tigerbell? Barry B
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 10:12:08 GMT 12
as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased How do you figure that. Please explain. how many times has he officiated now?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 10:13:40 GMT 12
as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased So how do you explain him pulling 50% of the Panthers team off the track on Friday night? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 10:15:11 GMT 12
How do you figure that. Please explain. how many times has he officiated now? Many times at many meetings , so what?. Explain the Palmy bias claim you made.
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 10:16:30 GMT 12
Legal or not, decision made - and obviously not to the agreement of all. BUT, given that video, wasn't the first hit on Dare a cracker!
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 10:16:37 GMT 12
as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased So how do you explain him pulling 50% of the Panthers team off the track on Friday night? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Going on the Hawkeyes fans sitting behind us it was to give them a chance
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 10:17:48 GMT 12
Busterbell, Busterbell, Busterbell....if you carry on with those (I can't even think of a word to insert here) allegations, I can imagine the Baypark Busters will be contacting you to change your macgor's logon so you appear to be in no way connected with them. Shouldn't your name be Tigerbell? Barry B lol i was talking with buster management, they had some eyebrow raisers of their own!!
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 10:28:36 GMT 12
as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased So how do you explain him pulling 50% of the Panthers team off the track on Friday night? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B those indiscretions happened at the other end from my veiwpoint. the fact they were dealt with immediately one would suspect they were clear cut ( pun ) mr macgor every year we go on and on and on about refs calls.....perhaps that might stop when a new ref is officiating.
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 10:42:02 GMT 12
Busterbell, Busterbell, Busterbell....if you carry on with those (I can't even think of a word to insert here) allegations, I can imagine the Baypark Busters will be contacting you to change your macgor's logon so you appear to be in no way connected with them. Shouldn't your name be Tigerbell? Barry B lol i was talking with buster management, they had some eyebrow raisers of their own!! Care to enlighten BB?
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 10:42:03 GMT 12
So how do you explain him pulling 50% of the Panthers team off the track on Friday night? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B those indiscretions happened at the other end from my veiwpoint. the fact they were dealt with immediately one would suspect they were clear cut ( pun ) mr macgor every year we go on and on and on about refs calls.....perhaps that might stop when a new ref is officiating. Rod might have been head Ref but he has other also able Refs assisting. We will always go on about Ref's calls no matter who is doing the calling. It's the nature of the beast and the same as any other sport. But your claim was of bias and you should substantiate that claim rather than deflect by generalising about Ref's calls. You were calling into doubt a mans professional reputation. I find that offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 10:45:40 GMT 12
R12-4-38 The car that was forced over the poleline must return to the track behind the forcer, on the same straight or corner. If the competitor that forced the car over the poleline chooses to sit there, the car forced over must do a u turn on the infield and return to the track, behind the opposing car.
Dare did not sit there so Shane did not have to do a u turn. He also went behind the forcer to return to the track on the same straight
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Post by judge10tpt on Feb 11, 2014 10:46:04 GMT 12
as i am new to the sport i may see things different to others
what i saw was some refs making the hard calls
i am a ref for 2 different sports one being football and one a motorsport (small scale)
no mater what decision you make there is always going to be one team and its supporters who are not happy, refs make decisions based on experience, what the rules are, and what the person did to break those rules and most of the time they have made that decision in a fraction of a second
so i say leave the ref bashing alone, there job is a never ending triad of abuse from the unhappy minority and yet week in and week out they are back doing it,
if you dont like their calls step up and become one then you can make the calls and have the abuse thrown your way
no ref goes out to be biased, in fact when i step onto the fotty paddock i make a point of calling it as fair as i can but i can never please everyone and i dont try to
so for all the refs out there from all the tracks, keep up the good work you guys do a fantastic job and deserve some praise for doing it, Respect
Jason
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Post by steelpanther on Feb 11, 2014 11:03:20 GMT 12
Good post Jason. Totally agree with your comments. As a ref you're always going to be 50% right and 50% wrong with every decision you make.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2014 11:07:42 GMT 12
BUT, given that video, wasn't the first hit on Dare a cracker! Bone jarring, and so eerie how it all went silent afterwards. A great in-car ride, thanks Shane Harwood. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B
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Post by tank11 on Feb 11, 2014 12:29:29 GMT 12
Re-enter on the same straight or corner.............
Still think hard done by, Dare wasn't moving much after this.
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2014 13:02:37 GMT 12
BUT, given that video, wasn't the first hit on Dare a cracker! Bone jarring, and so eerie how it all went silent afterwards. A great in-car ride, thanks Shane Harwood. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B I bet it wasn't that silent in Shane's helmet, I'd imagine a bell the size of Big Ben was being rung in there for some time...
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 13:03:09 GMT 12
those indiscretions happened at the other end from my veiwpoint. the fact they were dealt with immediately one would suspect they were clear cut ( pun ) mr macgor every year we go on and on and on about refs calls.....perhaps that might stop when a new ref is officiating. Rod might have been head Ref but he has other also able Refs assisting. We will always go on about Ref's calls no matter who is doing the calling. It's the nature of the beast and the same as any other sport. But your claim was of bias and you should substantiate that claim rather than deflect by generalising about Ref's calls. You were calling into doubt a mans professional reputation. I find that offensive. head ref has final say regardless how many other refs are assisting. i would also like to point out that at palmy teams as i have done many many times before the refs has had a significant influence. every other event i have witnessed has on the odd occasion a rough call but palmy teams is guaranteed. i have always said the refs and promotion has been bias, nothing is new there. over the years we have discussed the many issues, this years officiating was so fierce a meeting had to be called to calm them down........ you are entitled to your opinion, i am sorry you find mine offensive. hate to think what you think of others that are less controlled with their views.
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Post by boner87 on Feb 11, 2014 13:44:36 GMT 12
Does it not say in the Teams Racing Code of Ethics (which by the way until last year even Peter Rees hadn't read) that - Any wheel on the grass is a breach of rules - If taking a car to the grass to disengage once other car is on grass (why was dare still going left on grass) - The attacked car must disengage once on grass (harwood did so well enough in my eyes) - the attacked car must rejoin on same straight or corner behind the forcer. If the forcer chooses to sit and wait the attacked car must do a u-turn and rejoin behind the car
With dare on the infeild perhap harwood should have tried to slow and turn around and return to where the forcing happened or at least same straight but maybe in the heat of the moment he may have thought go for it. Simple mistake to do in my opinion.
Now as for the palmy biased ref calls...how can we keep you happy busterbell. Neither team made it through into winning contention for the second night, palmy had cars pulled of like everyone else did and the busters won how on earth can we make you happy or is this impossible?
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 13:47:14 GMT 12
Rod might have been head Ref but he has other also able Refs assisting. We will always go on about Ref's calls no matter who is doing the calling. It's the nature of the beast and the same as any other sport. But your claim was of bias and you should substantiate that claim rather than deflect by generalising about Ref's calls. You were calling into doubt a mans professional reputation. I find that offensive. head ref has final say regardless how many other refs are assisting. i would also like to point out that at palmy teams as i have done many many times before the refs has had a significant influence. every other event i have witnessed has on the odd occasion a rough call but palmy teams is guaranteed. i have always said the refs and promotion has been bias, nothing is new there. over the years we have discussed the many issues, this years officiating was so fierce a meeting had to be called to calm them down........ you are entitled to your opinion, i am sorry you find mine offensive. hate to think what you think of others that are less controlled with their views. Sorry you don't get it . But I give up ......for now.
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