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Post by ricardo63 on Mar 9, 2014 8:32:25 GMT 12
Just a thought, who is your hard luck team of the Superstock teams racing season??
My award goes to Rotorua Rebels.
Looking back, they started the year with a scrappy win against the Allstars. I say this as the Allstars were down to three but the Rebels just couldn't put them away to make it comfortable. In fairness though, all teams struggled against a finely organised Allstars outfit in '14.
The team doesn't lack for anything in cars selected for pace or driver ability in all members selected throughout the year. Teams racing is a fickle sport where the difference between advancing over the weekend & being put out are minimal. Sometimes it plays out for you and others the cards just don't fall right.
Steiner (arguably the talisman) seemed to have a quiet year by his standards. But again, if things just don't run your way & the team isn't performing as liked it puts added pressure on all. The first race on Friday night against the Hawke eyes was the only real tatics disaster but geez a few other teams are guilty of the same thing this year (Panthers anybody  ).
They certainly didn't lack for commitment or desire so I look forward to next season & hopefully this mighty team will be back at the level they aspire to perform at. |
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Post by beachboy on Mar 9, 2014 9:00:25 GMT 12
My hard luck team would be the Hawkeyes after showing good form by beating the Busters twice at the beginning of the season but then going down to them at each of the teams meetings.
I don't really see that the Rebels had bad or hard luck this year if you compare there results to last season they did move forward, I have heard a lot of good stuff about the Chassis they use but haven't really seen the results coming thru yet.
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Post by BarryB on Mar 9, 2014 9:17:58 GMT 12
I'd say the Auckland Allstars. They beat the Auckland Teams Nats winning Panthers at Palmy, and beat the Palmy Teams winning Busters at Auckland (twice!!), but don't have a title to their name.
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Post by steelpanther on Mar 9, 2014 9:25:51 GMT 12
And I reckon the Allstars were desperately unlucky against the Panthers last night too. Just a little bit of inexperience cost them the win.
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Post by righturn on Mar 9, 2014 9:35:18 GMT 12
Auckland allstars hands down.
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Post by steelpanther on Mar 9, 2014 10:06:42 GMT 12
Can I start a new thread "luckiest team of 2014". Surely that would be Bay Park solely because they faced an Allstars team with only 3 cars in Palmy hmmmm. With the way Auckland drove these past two teams events in makes me think "what might have been" had Auckland fielded a full team against the Busters that night. I can't help but feel that the Busters had an armchair ride in Palmy without facing perennial top four contenders in the Panthers, Tigers and Mustangs who were all very much off their games last month.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 11:08:21 GMT 12
A bit of a hard call on the Rebels Ricardo , their win against the All Stars at Rotorua was not won by a narrow margin it was won quite convincingly .
Although they never advanced to the second night in Palmy they put on a good show and demolished the Tigers who are ranked right up there with the best of them.
To say Bryce Steiner had a quiet year is a misjudgement , Steiny has always been the kingpin in any team that he races for .
Remember it takes more than one driver to win a race and he is only as good as the drivers around him and being the kingpin the opposition will be out to eliminate him first.
There are many teams that we could label as Hard Luck teams , those that didn't live up to peoples expectations but I take my hat off to every one of those drivers who put themselves and their cars on the line . I for one would never do it and I guess the majority of people who make comment on this site would not either ...
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Post by ricardo63 on Mar 10, 2014 8:12:40 GMT 12
A bit of a hard call on the Rebels Ricardo , their win against the All Stars at Rotorua was not won by a narrow margin it was won quite convincingly . Although they never advanced to the second night in Palmy they put on a good show and demolished the Tigers who are ranked right up there with the best of them. To say Bryce Steiner had a quiet year is a misjudgement , Steiny has always been the kingpin in any team that he races for . Remember it takes more than one driver to win a race and he is only as good as the drivers around him and being the kingpin the opposition will be out to eliminate him first. There are many teams that we could label as Hard Luck teams , those that didn't live up to peoples expectations but I take my hat off to every one of those drivers who put themselves and their cars on the line . I for one would never do it and I guess the majority of people who make comment on this site would not either ... Hi highrez, choice response & your impression of events is a totally valued opinion. That's what a good thread should be all about. I don't disagree on any points that you have raised here & are your views. Cool. Oh yes, all drivers, management & crew that make these events happen/possible are hero's in my mind. Full stop & total respect. P.S. Steiny = legend |
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Post by ricardo63 on Mar 10, 2014 8:15:06 GMT 12
My hard luck team would be the Hawkeyes after showing good form by beating the Busters twice at the beginning of the season but then going down to them at each of the teams meetings. I don't really see that the Rebels had bad or hard luck this year if you compare there results to last season they did move forward, I have heard a lot of good stuff about the Chassis they use but haven't really seen the results coming thru yet. Well done beachboy, I'm impressed that you have actually put some thought & effort into a well constructed response into this thread. Not even 1 undertone of dig at anyone!!!! Keep up the good work.  |
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Post by alloyplatypus on Mar 10, 2014 19:47:59 GMT 12
I think the Hard Luck team for the decade is the Rebels! They always have great individuals, and put on a show, but for quite some time things just do not seem to click into place for them. Most of this years champion Busters team has been a Rebel at some stage, and many of the early Champion Busters re-teamed under the Rebels flag in the interim but it just did not work then either. It is not for lack of skill or experience and at times it has not been for lack of team bonding due to the Busters tie ins.. it just seems to be a lack of luck.
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Post by beachboy on Mar 10, 2014 20:39:57 GMT 12
My hard luck team would be the Hawkeyes after showing good form by beating the Busters twice at the beginning of the season but then going down to them at each of the teams meetings. I don't really see that the Rebels had bad or hard luck this year if you compare there results to last season they did move forward, I have heard a lot of good stuff about the Chassis they use but haven't really seen the results coming thru yet. Well done beachboy, I'm impressed that you have actually put some thought & effort into a well constructed response into this thread. Not even 1 undertone of dig at anyone!!!! Keep up the good work. Yeah the Marlin ate all my Lures  |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Mar 14, 2014 16:28:18 GMT 12
After the season of teams racing
HARDLUCK TEAM Rotorua Rebels
The two teams in the NEAR future to knock the top 3 (Panthers Busters Tigers) of their perches
Hawkes Bay Hawkeyes and Auckland Allstars
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Post by midway on Mar 15, 2014 12:22:27 GMT 12
Well done beachboy, I'm impressed that Yeah the Marlin ate all my Lures And you came home with a bent hook ,no fish ,with a wet rrse to go with it . |
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Post by The Godfather on Mar 16, 2014 21:46:28 GMT 12
My totally biased opinion is....
Why is everyone saying that the Rebels are the Hardluck team? Hardluck to me means that they deserved to win but for some unfortunate reason had something go against them.
There were few times this year that they genuinely had a race stolen from them. The true hardluck race they last had was last season against the Panthers when Peter Rees went on a one-man rampage.
Losing races that they should have won doesn't mean its bad luck, most times its just being out-raced by a dedicated opposition, or being tactically inept.
I was watching the Palmy teams from a distance via the live stream ( when it worked) so don't get a full picture of everything that happens on the track that you can see live, but also it seemed that the Topgear chassis are quick, but seem a little fragile when it comes time to teams racing. The best performed Topgear chassis appeared to be Dave Tarrants in the Mustangs.
They finished last in Auckland....and luck had bugger all to do with it.
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Post by mordecai on Mar 16, 2014 22:31:06 GMT 12
My totally biased opinion is.... Why is everyone saying that the Rebels are the Hardluck team? Hardluck to me means that they deserved to win but for some unfortunate reason had something go against them. There were few times this year that they genuinely had a race stolen from them. The true hardluck race they last had was last season against the Panthers when Peter Rees went on a one-man rampage. Losing races that they should have won doesn't mean its bad luck, most times its just being out-raced by a dedicated opposition, or being tactically inept. I was watching the Palmy teams from a distance via the live stream ( when it worked) so don't get a full picture of everything that happens on the track that you can see live, but also it seemed that the Topgear chassis are quick, but seem a little fragile when it comes time to teams racing. The best performed Topgear chassis appeared to be Dave Tarrants in the Mustangs. They finished last in Auckland....and luck had bugger all to do with it.
palmy tigers allstars busters mustangs hawkeyes rebels and no scott hewson for aucks and haven't heard why yet
and to be honest the rebels havnt won many races since ashby fraser left the team
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Post by mcfly on Mar 17, 2014 6:18:09 GMT 12
My totally biased opinion is.... Why is everyone saying that the Rebels are the Hardluck team? Hardluck to me means that they deserved to win but for some unfortunate reason had something go against them. There were few times this year that they genuinely had a race stolen from them. The true hardluck race they last had was last season against the Panthers when Peter Rees went on a one-man rampage. Losing races that they should have won doesn't mean its bad luck, most times its just being out-raced by a dedicated opposition, or being tactically inept. I was watching the Palmy teams from a distance via the live stream ( when it worked) so don't get a full picture of everything that happens on the track that you can see live, but also it seemed that the Topgear chassis are quick, but seem a little fragile when it comes time to teams racing. The best performed Topgear chassis appeared to be Dave Tarrants in the Mustangs. They finished last in Auckland....and luck had bugger all to do with it.
palmy tigers allstars busters mustangs hawkeyes rebels and no scott hewson for aucks and haven't heard why yet
and to be honest the rebels havnt won many races since ashby fraser left the team
I doubt it is because those 2 drivers have left, the Rebels are a team of very talented drivers. But like The Godfather I have wondered if the Topgear chassis was up to it in teams racing as well. They are a fantastic looking and fast chassis, but do seem to be a bit easier to damage than the others. |
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Post by mordecai on Mar 17, 2014 9:10:04 GMT 12
ashby and fraser don't use top gear chassis and it was the same results maybe its behind the scenes issues
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Post by sabbath on Mar 17, 2014 9:32:05 GMT 12
Yes your ryt they dont but i dont think its got anything to do with just those 2 not being there i think its more to do with the team gelling & becoming a team & working as a team cause they have some good drivers & cars also those top gear chassies are strong n fast
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Post by mordecai on Mar 17, 2014 9:54:53 GMT 12
Yes your ryt they dont but i dont think its got anything to do with just those 2 not being there i think its more to do with the team gelling & becoming a team & working as a team cause they have some good drivers & cars also those top gear chassies are strong n fast so ashby and fraser win palmy teams and have been top 4 at both palmy and aucks for the last 2 yrs and the only team to do that
so ashby and fraser couldn't win with rotorua but have since they been back at the busters
so the rebles have had the quality drivers and quality cars and still cant win
ok ive made my points I wont go on and on
also y cant the rebels gel as a team
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Post by BarryB on Mar 17, 2014 11:11:59 GMT 12
The Rotorua Rascal's Stockcar team arguably under-performed for years with the individual talent that they had in their line up, and then suddenly it clicked, their management put it down to one thing, attitude, and this season they've been unbeatable. The same could happen with the Rebels at any time. Once you get a really solid squad, even one change can make a huge difference. We saw it with the virtually unbeatable Baypark Busters of about 10 years ago when their core was Ashby, Fraser, Remnant and Wood and even a change of their fifth driver upset the balance, and we've seen it with the Panthers a couple of times in the last 4-5 years. One change out of the five can take away a team's invincibility. The Rebels haven't had a completely steady line up for some years, but once they get it they'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Oh, don't forget mordecai; Fraser didn't race the Auckland teams.
Barry B
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