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Post by widjem on Feb 27, 2016 16:20:17 GMT 12
Hope people also realize theres a HUGE difference between having an illegal part on a car and cheating.... It seems everyone is ASSUMING the driver and/or crew knew this part was illegal. For a sport that has so many rules how does crap like this keep happening??
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 16:26:57 GMT 12
Man I feel for Auckland this the post they have just posted on Facebook GUTTERED IS AN UNDER STATEMENT!! The team has worked so hard...and to be told at 2pm that we missed out by 5 points beause of an illegal car is complete crap.. Our team manger has been fighting this all arvo...SNZ told him to go away and to stop fighting as a decision had been made and NOTHING was going to change...The whole team feels very low right now...Huge thanks to the sponsors...the crews who, may I add have been since 7am this morning woeking on our cars..the supporters....we tried but.......Rissa If you are being treated like uneducated rubbish just go home and don't forget . This will do more for Changing these decisions than just accepting it. The problem is with the Illegal team running Illegal gear. . |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 27, 2016 16:27:38 GMT 12
So what was the illegal part, if it's the manifold how can 3 cars all have the same part but only 1 is found to be wrong? That is what was said to be the case at the start of the thread
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 16:27:38 GMT 12
Hope people also realize theres a HUGE difference between having an illegal part on a car and cheating.... It seems everyone is ASSUMING the driver and/or crew knew this part was illegal. For a sport that has so many rules how does crap like this keep happening?? Isn't an illegal car cheating ? If you own the car, should you not know whats on it and where its come from ? |
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Post by Stevo on Feb 27, 2016 16:32:09 GMT 12
The W and V cars had their carbs taken off to check and were found to be legal, so they carry on.
I really feel for Auckland as they are the biggest loser in all this.
I also feel for the rest of the Palmy team as they have now been called cheats, all through the actions of one competitor, my understanding is that they are gutted that this has happened.
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 16:33:34 GMT 12
So what was the illegal part, if it's the manifold how can 3 cars all have the same part but only 1 is found to be wrong? That is what was said to be the case at the start of the thread Teams racing has it own set of rules . All Driver must sign a scrutineering form stating all their Stockcars are legal and it is up to the team manager to collect.. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 16:35:02 GMT 12
The W and V cars had their carbs taken off to check and were found to be legal, so they carry on. I really feel for Auckland as they are the biggest loser in all this. I also feel for the rest of the Palmy team as they have now been called cheats, all through the actions of one competitor, my understanding is that they are gutted that this has happened. If they are feeling that bad pull out and place Auckland in the top 8. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 16:44:21 GMT 12
So what was the illegal part, if it's the manifold how can 3 cars all have the same part but only 1 is found to be wrong? That is what was said to be the case at the start of the thread Teams racing has it own set of rules . All Driver must sign a scrutineering form stating all their Stockcars are legal and it is up to the team manager to collect.. (e) must ensure all team members sign all the team’s scrutineering cards, and all competitors can legally use all vehicles (e.g. have sufficient head clearance). The big words for Auckland to use "all competitors can legally use all vehicles" |
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Post by sk72 on Feb 27, 2016 17:15:53 GMT 12
The W and V cars had their carbs taken off to check and were found to be legal, so they carry on. I really feel for Auckland as they are the biggest loser in all this. I also feel for the rest of the Palmy team as they have now been called cheats, all through the actions of one competitor, my understanding is that they are gutted that this has happened. If they are feeling that bad pull out and place Auckland in the top 8. My thoughts exactly, they obviously don't feel too bad about it! |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 17:37:49 GMT 12
If they are feeling that bad pull out and place Auckland in the top 8. My thoughts exactly, they obviously don't feel too bad about it! Teams is a collective event as per the NZS rule book. Best thing the Auckland Team can do is drive on the track get appearance money , not race , sit on infield and watch TV and refuse to race. When the coin toss , Auckland Team manager just say no. then no damage and go home after their non-event.. |
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Post by The Observer on Feb 27, 2016 17:38:40 GMT 12
So reading between the line and results it was 29p. I see in normal colours the car has Csl engines written all over it.
People said the carb was taken off. Is that suggesting the restrictor plate was tampered with?
At NZ champs in Blenheim a few years back they were showing a plate around that had been tampered with, can be hard to know if engine builder or driv r with that one
Interesting if it is Csl - they had a lot of issues with their Toyota v8s been illegal as well
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Post by Tony on Feb 27, 2016 17:39:44 GMT 12
If they are feeling that bad pull out and place Auckland in the top 8. My thoughts exactly, they obviously don't feel too bad about it! They feel bad, but not quite THAT bad  I doubt the Pumas will have much crowd support when they race their quarter-final tonight. |
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Post by Tony on Feb 27, 2016 17:43:01 GMT 12
So reading between the line and results it was 29p. I see in normal colours the car has Csl engines written all over it. People said the carb was taken off. Is that suggesting the restrictor plate was tampered with? At NZ champs in Blenheim a few years back they were showing a plate around that had been tampered with, can be hard to know if engine builder or driv r with that one Interesting if it is Csl - they had a lot of issues with their Toyota v8s been illegal as well There's also the issue of a Hartley-engined competitor protesting the Steve Heibner/Kerry Podjursky tank's Jaguar engine a couple of seasons ago; and engine built by CSL. On that occasion the protest was dismissed, but not before a lot of bad blood flowed between the respective engine builders. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 17:54:07 GMT 12
My thoughts exactly, they obviously don't feel too bad about it! They feel bad, but not quite THAT bad I doubt the Pumas will have much crowd support when they race their quarter-final tonight. Now see why Auckland Alliecats should now just walk away from a illegal racing team event. They spend big money doing it right , but certain Team Managers allow illegal engines to enter as a team and others Team Managers won't support . |
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 27, 2016 18:16:33 GMT 12
Hope people also realize theres a HUGE difference between having an illegal part on a car and cheating.... It seems everyone is ASSUMING the driver and/or crew knew this part was illegal. For a sport that has so many rules how does crap like this keep happening?? the driver is always responsible for what is in their car, the buck stops with them, it keeps happening as people will try to push the rules, to get an advantage, |
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 27, 2016 18:59:15 GMT 12
And this is why Speedway is stuck in the dark age. SNZ should look at them selves and sort there crap. Look at other kinds of motorsport and they are years ahead in all aspects !!! SNZ wait for something to happen before they change it, people cheat and do illegal things and they get a $50 or $200 fine...for some of them thats like taking the wife out for dinner  bout time SNZ moved into the now !! |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 27, 2016 20:21:34 GMT 12
yeah to all of that but..auckland didnt score enough points in their races and qualifying because a team got disqualified isnt really qualifying...I agree if a team is found to have entered an illegal car the whole team should lose it points...but auckland cant hope that someone gets a black flag to get thru..50 percent win loss record isnt great, remember the next team down lost all their races!...so auckland are very close to the bottom anyway.. they cant be too disspointed...auckland didnt race any of the teams mentioned in the thread so wernt affected directly...so really they should have been chuffed and surprised to have qualified..lets be honest about it....yes im ready for the bombardment lol...go
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Post by The Observer on Feb 27, 2016 20:59:05 GMT 12
So reading between the line and results it was 29p. I see in normal colours the car has Csl engines written all over it. People said the carb was taken off. Is that suggesting the restrictor plate was tampered with? At NZ champs in Blenheim a few years back they were showing a plate around that had been tampered with, can be hard to know if engine builder or driv r with that one Interesting if it is Csl - they had a lot of issues with their Toyota v8s been illegal as well There's also the issue of a Hartley-engined competitor protesting the Steve Heibner/Kerry Podjursky tank's Jaguar engine a couple of seasons ago; and engine built by CSL. On that occasion the protest was dismissed, but not before a lot of bad blood flowed between the respective engine builders. That's right forgot about that one. That time they turned up and the seals had already been broken, and the car was stored at the guy who built the engine for the week before it was tested. I seem to recall a cluster $$&& of mistakes resulting in no decision really coming out because process wasnt followed and seals had been tampered with. A lot of people get upset about different things like results and impacts on meetings etc. but any time the process catches out an illeGle car we should thank the officials and the process. It's not an easy job, but if they catch the cheats half the time it's better than not at all. Good stuff to those at gizzy who tracked this down and made some tough decisions |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 27, 2016 22:11:58 GMT 12
Just reading what people have been writing and what I have understood is that the P car was stripped of points against W...but in the next race the illegal car didn't finish the race so was not stripped any points ? Does this mean that an illegal car can go out there, run most of the race and take out cars in the other team and then pull on to the infield with a couple of laps to go and still get to keep all the teams points....... JOKE !! How does all this happen after a meeting has finished ? Should it not have been picked up before the meeting ? The W cars were sent on to the track with out helmet checks or something ? A driver was out cold for about 5 laps ? yes that's what Gizzy did to perfection last year and won the title with the over weight car in their team, provided you don't rely on your illegal car for points and are happy to have them out there as a blocker it works a treat, not right I know, but some teams use the rule book to there advantage better than others I guess. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2016 22:17:04 GMT 12
Just reading what people have been writing and what I have understood is that the P car was stripped of points against W...but in the next race the illegal car didn't finish the race so was not stripped any points ? Does this mean that an illegal car can go out there, run most of the race and take out cars in the other team and then pull on to the infield with a couple of laps to go and still get to keep all the teams points....... JOKE !! How does all this happen after a meeting has finished ? Should it not have been picked up before the meeting ? The W cars were sent on to the track with out helmet checks or something ? A driver was out cold for about 5 laps ? yes that's what Gizzy did to perfection last year and won the title with the over weight car in their team, provided you don't rely on your illegal car for points and are happy to have them out there as a blocker it works a treat, not right I know, but some teams use the rule book to there advantage better than others I guess. Anything Illegal this year for Gisborne to retain the title.? |
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bout time SNZ moved into the now !! 
