Night One Matchups (Read 2,629 times)

[percy]

Race 1 - Hawkesbay Hawkeyes v Baypark Busters
Race 2 - Waikato Wanderers v British Lions
Race 3 - Palmerston North Panthers v Stratford Scrappers
Race 4 - Auckland Allstars v Wanganui Warriors
Race 5 - Canterbury Glen Eagles v Wellington Wildcats
Race 6 - Rotorua Rebels v Manawatu Mustangs
Race 7 - Kihikihi Kings v Hawkesbay Hawkeyes
Race 8 - Gisborne Giants v Waikato Wanderers
Race 9 - Baypark Busters v Palmerston North Panthers
Race 10 - British Lions v Auckland Allstars
Race 11 - Stratford Scrappers v Canterbury Glen Eagles
Race 12 - Wanganui Warriors v Rotorua Rebels
Race 13 - Wellington Wildcats v Kihikihi Kings
Race 14 - Manawatu Mustangs v Gisborne Giants

[4zfed]

Where & when was the draw done Percy

[go29]

I have a question... Baypark, Great Britain and Auckland don't face a seeded team in any of their races. But Wellington face seeded teams in both their races. Something seems like it's not quite right there?
I know with the number of teams there will always be one or two who don't face a seeded team, but don't recall one team having to race seeded teams in both races before?

[wildcatsfan]

Tough draws for Mustangs & Wildcats, both teams drew seeded teams for both of their races!!!!!

[percy]

Jan 29, 2023 11:43:42 GMT 12 go29 said:

I have a question... Baypark, Great Britain and Auckland don't face a seeded team in any of their races. But Wellington face seeded teams in both their races. Something seems like it's not quite right there?
I know with the number of teams there will always be one or two who don't face a seeded team, but don't recall one team having to race seeded teams in both races before?

Correct - they've stuffed it up

4 teams do not face a seed, 2 teams face two seeds

[Driftwood]

Do you believe that it might be rigged

[hbhornets]

Jan 29, 2023 11:43:42 GMT 12 go29 said:

I have a question... Baypark, Great Britain and Auckland don't face a seeded team in any of their races. But Wellington face seeded teams in both their races. Something seems like it's not quite right there?
I know with the number of teams there will always be one or two who don't face a seeded team, but don't recall one team having to race seeded teams in both races before?

Add in the panthers as well dear I say it.

[minime11]

makes you wonder as you never saw them put the names in the box so they could have been se to make sure the home team gets and easy fist night

[go29]

Lol not easy for the Mustangs, facing the defending champs in their first race and the likely favourites to win this year in their second

[hercules]

Some unseeded teams race no seeded teams, while others race 2 🤯.

I’ve never been a fan of anymore than 12 teams, 4 groups of 3 with a seeded team is fairest. Plus with this format the racing will be a little tamer as it’s all about points.

Imagine the 2 unseeded teams of for example welly and palmy, they both need as many points as possible as a win by itself won’t cut it, I know which I’d rather be as 1 faces 2 seeded teams and the other faces 2 unseeded.

Maybe luck of the draw 🤔, as they say, the odds of winning lotto are astronmically high, but most weeks someone does win 😂

[hbhornets]

Jan 29, 2023 12:47:27 GMT 12 hercules said:

Some unseeded teams race no seeded teams, while others race 2 🤯.

I’ve never been a fan of anymore than 12 teams, 4 groups of 3 with a seeded team is fairest. Plus with this format the racing will be a little tamer as it’s all about points.

Imagine the 2 unseeded teams of for example welly and palmy, they both need as many points as possible as a win by itself won’t cut it, I know which I’d rather be as 1 faces 2 seeded teams and the other faces 2 unseeded.

Maybe luck of the draw 🤔, as they say, the odds of winning lotto are astronmically high, but most weeks someone does win 😂

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

[hercules]

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

Jan 29, 2023 12:47:27 GMT 12 hercules said:

Some unseeded teams race no seeded teams, while others race 2 🤯.

I’ve never been a fan of anymore than 12 teams, 4 groups of 3 with a seeded team is fairest. Plus with this format the racing will be a little tamer as it’s all about points.

Imagine the 2 unseeded teams of for example welly and palmy, they both need as many points as possible as a win by itself won’t cut it, I know which I’d rather be as 1 faces 2 seeded teams and the other faces 2 unseeded.

Maybe luck of the draw 🤔, as they say, the odds of winning lotto are astronmically high, but most weeks someone does win 😂

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

14 teams, even with 4 groups, 2x3 and 2x4 team groups. You’ll still find that a 1 unseeded team in each 4 team group will still not have to race a seeded team. Unless they all race 3 races each in those bigger groups, but I’m not sure teams will want more races night 1 in the same time period.

Anyways only 6 days to go, bring it on, can’t wait for a great weekend

[BarryB]

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

Jan 29, 2023 12:47:27 GMT 12 hercules said:

Some unseeded teams race no seeded teams, while others race 2 🤯.

I’ve never been a fan of anymore than 12 teams, 4 groups of 3 with a seeded team is fairest. Plus with this format the racing will be a little tamer as it’s all about points.

Imagine the 2 unseeded teams of for example welly and palmy, they both need as many points as possible as a win by itself won’t cut it, I know which I’d rather be as 1 faces 2 seeded teams and the other faces 2 unseeded.

Maybe luck of the draw 🤔, as they say, the odds of winning lotto are astronmically high, but most weeks someone does win 😂

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

And what happens, in a group of 3 where they all race each other and score 1 win and 1 loss each? It's not rocket science to know that happens every year where there are groups?

Barry B

[BarryB]

Jan 29, 2023 13:36:54 GMT 12 hercules said:

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

14 teams, even with 4 groups, 2x3 and 2x4 team groups. You’ll still find that a 1 unseeded team in each 4 team group will still not have to race a seeded team. Unless they all race 3 races each in those bigger groups, but I’m not sure teams will want more races night 1 in the same time period.

Anyways only 6 days to go, bring it on, can’t wait for a great weekend

Yes, there is a way of making the draw fairer between who meets who with seeded vs non-seeded teams, where 8 of the 10 non-seeded teams meets 1 x seeded team and 1 x non-seeded team on Night 1 (and this is always the first 4 races and the last 4 races of the night, giving the seeded teams the biggest break between races), and the other two teams face two non-seeded teams within the six races (R5 to 10 when you've got 14 teams). This is possibly about as close and as fair as you can get it, teams 1-4 being the 4 seeds teams 5-14 being the 10 non-seeded teams.

1 vs 5
2 vs 6
3 vs 7
4 vs 8

9 vs 5
10 vs 6
11 vs 7
12 vs 8
13 vs 9
14vs 10

11 vs 1
12 vs 2
13 vs 3
14 vs 4

Teams 1, 2, 3 & 4 (the top 4 seeds) get 9 other races between their two races
Teams 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 & 14 meet one seeded team and one non-seeded team
Teams 9 & 10 are the two non-seeded teams that do not meet a seeded team
All other teams except teams 1-4 have 3 other races between their two races

When it comes to doing the draw, teams 1-4 are locked in to Races 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12, 13 & 14
Teams 5-14 are randomly drawn and whatever number they pull they slot into the draw as above





Barry B

[BarryB]

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

I can't understand how you wouldn't support 4 groups of 3 teams = 12 teams, but you would support uneven groups (2 x 3 teams and 2 x 4 teams)

Barry B

[4zfed]

Jan 29, 2023 15:39:19 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

I can't understand how you wouldn't support 4 groups of 3 teams = 12 teams, but you would support uneven groups (2 x 3 teams and 2 x 4 teams)

Barry B

Yes I was abit baffled by this too..

[mordecai]

Jan 29, 2023 15:00:32 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Jan 29, 2023 13:36:54 GMT 12 hercules said:

14 teams, even with 4 groups, 2x3 and 2x4 team groups. You’ll still find that a 1 unseeded team in each 4 team group will still not have to race a seeded team. Unless they all race 3 races each in those bigger groups, but I’m not sure teams will want more races night 1 in the same time period.

Anyways only 6 days to go, bring it on, can’t wait for a great weekend

Yes, there is a way of making the draw fairer between who meets who with seeded vs non-seeded teams, where 8 of the 10 non-seeded teams meets 1 x seeded team and 1 x non-seeded team on Night 1 (and this is always the first 4 races and the last 4 races of the night, giving the seeded teams the biggest break between races), and the other two teams face two non-seeded teams within the six races (R5 to 10 when you've got 14 teams). This is possibly about as close and as fair as you can get it, teams 1-4 being the 4 seeds teams 5-14 being the 10 non-seeded teams.

1 vs 5
2 vs 6
3 vs 7
4 vs 8

9 vs 5
10 vs 6
11 vs 7
12 vs 8
13 vs 9
14vs 10

11 vs 1
12 vs 2
13 vs 3
14 vs 4

Teams 1, 2, 3 & 4 (the top 4 seeds) get 9 other races between their two races
Teams 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 & 14 meet one seeded team and one non-seeded team
Teams 9 & 10 are the two non-seeded teams that do not meet a seeded team
All other teams except teams 1-4 have 3 other races between their two races

When it comes to doing the draw, teams 1-4 are locked in to Races 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12, 13 & 14
Teams 5-14 are randomly drawn and whatever number they pull they slot into the draw as above





Barry B

Yeah it's a hard 1 the way the draw is atm is its a min 5 race gap between all races some have 6 or 7 race gap and to win the championship you have to beat the best so I think I'd prefer the longer gap between races

[hbhornets]

Jan 29, 2023 15:39:19 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Jan 29, 2023 12:56:41 GMT 12 hbhornets said:

There is a fair and balanced way to do the draw. however I believe this doesn't happen as the probability wouldn't favor the panthers great Britain or the mustrangs.im not a fan of 12 teams. And we should be pushing for 16. We should have 4 groups. 2 of three and 2 of 4. Win two races race for the semis. It's not rocket science.

I can't understand how you wouldn't support 4 groups of 3 teams = 12 teams, but you would support uneven groups (2 x 3 teams and 2 x 4 teams)

Barry B

As I think abit differently having 12 teams means some get to miss out who are are to decided who does? Where does that leave Tigers? I don't support 12 teams because there isn't 12 teams to support. No matter how many teams I believe there should be in 4 groups. You get problems when you get up to 17. That's a problem. 4 groups for me will work with 12 13 14 or 15 teams.16 is along way away I still feel.

[graemeh]

Jan 29, 2023 16:11:21 GMT 12 mordecai said:

Jan 29, 2023 15:00:32 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Yes, there is a way of making the draw fairer between who meets who with seeded vs non-seeded teams, where 8 of the 10 non-seeded teams meets 1 x seeded team and 1 x non-seeded team on Night 1 (and this is always the first 4 races and the last 4 races of the night, giving the seeded teams the biggest break between races), and the other two teams face two non-seeded teams within the six races (R5 to 10 when you've got 14 teams). This is possibly about as close and as fair as you can get it, teams 1-4 being the 4 seeds teams 5-14 being the 10 non-seeded teams.

1 vs 5
2 vs 6
3 vs 7
4 vs 8

9 vs 5
10 vs 6
11 vs 7
12 vs 8
13 vs 9
14vs 10

11 vs 1
12 vs 2
13 vs 3
14 vs 4

Teams 1, 2, 3 & 4 (the top 4 seeds) get 9 other races between their two races
Teams 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 & 14 meet one seeded team and one non-seeded team
Teams 9 & 10 are the two non-seeded teams that do not meet a seeded team
All other teams except teams 1-4 have 3 other races between their two races

When it comes to doing the draw, teams 1-4 are locked in to Races 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12, 13 & 14
Teams 5-14 are randomly drawn and whatever number they pull they slot into the draw as above





Barry B

Yeah it's a hard 1 the way the draw is atm is its a min 5 race gap between all races some have 6 or 7 race gap and to win the championship you have to beat the best so I think I'd prefer the longer gap between races

Another variation of Barry's draw which avoids the big gap between races for the seeded teams (which is a huge advantage) is:

1 v 2(s)
3 v 4
5 v 6(s)
7 v 8
9 v 10(s)
11 v 12
13 v 14(s)
4 v 2(s)
1 v 3
8 v 6(s)
7 v 5
12 v 10(s)
13 v 9
11 v 14(s)

Minimum gap for any team is 5 which is better than only 3. Team 7 and 3 are the lucky ones and dont have to face a seeded team.

[hbhornets]

Jan 29, 2023 16:11:21 GMT 12 mordecai said:

Jan 29, 2023 15:00:32 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Yes, there is a way of making the draw fairer between who meets who with seeded vs non-seeded teams, where 8 of the 10 non-seeded teams meets 1 x seeded team and 1 x non-seeded team on Night 1 (and this is always the first 4 races and the last 4 races of the night, giving the seeded teams the biggest break between races), and the other two teams face two non-seeded teams within the six races (R5 to 10 when you've got 14 teams). This is possibly about as close and as fair as you can get it, teams 1-4 being the 4 seeds teams 5-14 being the 10 non-seeded teams.

1 vs 5
2 vs 6
3 vs 7
4 vs 8

9 vs 5
10 vs 6
11 vs 7
12 vs 8
13 vs 9
14vs 10

11 vs 1
12 vs 2
13 vs 3
14 vs 4

Teams 1, 2, 3 & 4 (the top 4 seeds) get 9 other races between their two races
Teams 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 & 14 meet one seeded team and one non-seeded team
Teams 9 & 10 are the two non-seeded teams that do not meet a seeded team
All other teams except teams 1-4 have 3 other races between their two races

When it comes to doing the draw, teams 1-4 are locked in to Races 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12, 13 & 14
Teams 5-14 are randomly drawn and whatever number they pull they slot into the draw as above





Barry B

Yeah it's a hard 1 the way the draw is atm is its a min 5 race gap between all races some have 6 or 7 race gap and to win the championship you have to beat the best so I think I'd prefer the longer gap between races

With 13 or 14 teams is it time to make 5th place team a seeded team. So there is something on the line for the 5th and 6th race. If they not willing to run 4 groups. I mean that makes way more sense.