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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 16:27:09 GMT 12
Really??? That's got to be a first??? Thanks "The Spike" is not for driver of the weekend, it's for the greatest entertainer(s). And no, it's not a first. Team GB won the same award as a team the first year they appeared at Teams Champs. Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 16:28:59 GMT 12
There needs to be an award that doesn't get given to palmy or g.b teams because of biased. Would also like to see a new zealand select team. There are alot of problems with awarding the spike Richardson trophy. And he's off again......... You're all allegations with no explanations. Please explain your allegation that "There are a lot of problems with awarding the Spike Richardson trophy". Problem 1; Problem 2; Problem 3; Problem 4; Problem 5; Barry B |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:58 GMT 12
R12-4-55 When a vehicle is the primary cause of an emergency stoppage, it is not eligible to restart.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 16:32:08 GMT 12
It's what makes the sport so great. Terrific Eagles, awesome Gisborne, a totally rigged draw favoring a Panthers outfit and I can't help but wonder had that been an Eagles driver & not Jack Miers knocked out be sure an Eagles driver would not have been allowed to continue. Biased commentator saying precedent set at NZ Stockcar Champs at Wakky Park! NO, NO, NO, driver safety should always trump precedent setting! Wakky Park mistake, two wrongs in the name of a precedent does NEVER equal a right. Letting the 88p continue is one of the strangest decisions I've ever seen from officials, and not just at teams champs. . Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 16:44:20 GMT 12
Yes I'm sorry but giving it to a Team is BS. Jayden Ward was clinical and very deserving. There arguably needs to be a "Warrior of the Teams Champs" trophy to be awarded to the best overall driver of the weekend as well. And that would have undoubtedly gone to Jayden Ward this weekend. We currently have an "entertainer" award and a "rookie" trophy, the latter being well overdue. Most people seem to have adopted "The Spike" as the "Driver of the Weekend" trophy, which it's not. From the live stream perspective, I thought the entertainer of the weekend was the drone pilot. Barry B |
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Post by midway on Feb 6, 2023 17:01:00 GMT 12
He may of been gathering his thought for few seconds ,but a over reaction from officials, benefit of the doubt perhaps ,bit like a bumble bee hitting your sun shades at 130 clicks he doesnt fly off in a hurry ...  |
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Post by broardside on Feb 6, 2023 17:40:28 GMT 12
I for one get darn sick of people keep saying its rigged all the time , simple answer to all of you if you don't like it then don't watch it don't keep rambling on like a broken record OK
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Post by hercules on Feb 6, 2023 17:44:38 GMT 12
Glen eagles just seem to always turn up with a game plan each race, and execute it most times. Semi final they probably identified Asher rees as most dangerous, and in final we all know miers was palmys most important driver.
And it works, today was their 3rd final appearance in the last 4 completed events, and their 2nd win, that’s impressive.
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Post by mrelshauno on Feb 6, 2023 17:52:43 GMT 12
R12-4-55 When a vehicle is the primary cause of an emergency stoppage, it is not eligible to restart. Except they will say it was mistakenly stopped by R12-4-51. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 18:07:40 GMT 12
R12-4-55 When a vehicle is the primary cause of an emergency stoppage, it is not eligible to restart. Except they will say it was mistakenly stopped by R12-4-51. That rule doesn't cover the possibility of a mistake being made. "R12-4-51 A competitor who is obviously motionless will bring the race to a red light stop."Read in conjunction with the rule above, 88p should have been taken immediately to the infield. The problem these days with the containment seats, HANS devices etc worn by all the drivers, it's not as easy to tell whether the driver is asleep or awake as it once was. Not saying the safety gear is a bad thing, but it used to be extremely obvious when a driver was out to the monk. Barry B |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 6, 2023 18:49:17 GMT 12
Except they will say it was mistakenly stopped by R12-4-51. That rule doesn't cover the possibility of a mistake being made. "R12-4-51 A competitor who is obviously motionless will bring the race to a red light stop."Read in conjunction with the rule above, 88p should have been taken immediately to the infield. The problem these days with the containment seats, HANS devices etc worn by all the drivers, it's not as easy to tell whether the driver is asleep or awake as it once was. Not saying the safety gear is a bad thing, but it used to be extremely obvious when a driver was out to the monk. Barry B If the driver cannot give a consise "I'm ok" signal then they are the cause of the stoppage. Clearly no signal was given, hence the race was stopped, should have been removed. |
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Post by d1dazza on Feb 6, 2023 18:56:51 GMT 12
Glen eagles just seem to always turn up with a game plan each race, and execute it most times. Semi final they probably identified Asher rees as most dangerous, and in final we all know miers was palmys most important driver. And it works, today was their 3rd final appearance in the last 4 completed events, and their 2nd win, that’s impressive. yes they definitely have a good plan and talented drivers. |
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Post by turnright on Feb 6, 2023 20:25:27 GMT 12
Absolute madness 88p was aloud to continue after being knocked out!!
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Post by old2nz on Feb 6, 2023 20:32:03 GMT 12
It's what makes the sport so great. Terrific Eagles, awesome Gisborne, a totally rigged draw favoring a Panthers outfit and I can't help but wonder had that been an Eagles driver & not Jack Miers knocked out be sure an Eagles driver would not have been allowed to continue. Biased commentator saying precedent set at NZ Stockcar Champs at Wakky Park! NO, NO, NO, driver safety should always trump precedent setting! Wakky Park mistake, two wrongs in the name of a precedent does NEVER equal a right. Letting the 88p continue is one of the strangest decisions I've ever seen from officials, and not just at teams champs. . Barry B Stopped under reds for Safety Barry, the driver is checked by a medical expert and if deemed to be ok then he is free to continue on which he was. The officials are not medical experts and are given advice from the medical expert on the day. in this case the all clear was given and wouldn’t matter who the drivers are and where or what the team they represent the same result would have happened. Done it before and do it again not only just for medical but also for a unsafe vehicle as if passes the test then also free to continue. Free to call me anytime if you want any help interpreting on the rules. Regards |
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Post by wildcatsfan on Feb 6, 2023 21:02:27 GMT 12
I for one get darn sick of people keep saying its rigged all the time , simple answer to all of you if you don't like it then don't watch it don't keep rambling on like a broken record OK Drivel!!! Look at the live draw again please. You'll hear that Wanganui is named for three races, the second & third being called one after the other. It's hard to imagine there isn't rigging going on when you make a critical examination of who the Panthers draw year in and year out. The blatant bias of the commentators too is so hard to swallow. So pleased to see them all given their come-uppance by a superb Eagles team. Oh, and no I'm not a passionate, one-eyed Eagles fan, don't even live down south. Just a passionate speedway fan who enjoys level playing fields and unfairness put to rights. I'd suggest that your barb is born out of your own acceptance that where-ever there is smoke there is fire and for years and years and years there's been too much smoke to ignore the fires of draw rigging. It's an easy fix to ensure draw rigging as well as draw rigging suspicions and allegations are avoided. Maybe next year?  Not likely! |
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Post by spuddy on Feb 6, 2023 21:04:34 GMT 12
Wards work was hugely underrated this champs, he was amazing in the blocking role doing the right things at the right time, only time anyone got him was under red as well Robb must be close to the best all round driver around at the moment Best example of the eagles being completely dialed in was the semi, 1 k car left running and they parked 1 in front him and 1 behind then 557 limped around to completely box him in parking outside him Bit of a dynasty being built here, last 5 events Eagles have won twice, runner up and in the semis last year before it was abandoned Robb has had a couple of average teams champs previously but certainly was on this weekend. Well done Eagles team. He did say that in his interview as well I haven’t seen those efforts, just week to week I see him being rapid in both classes and can perform both the running and blocking roles at a high level in both classes as well |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 22:01:38 GMT 12
Letting the 88p continue is one of the strangest decisions I've ever seen from officials, and not just at teams champs. . Barry B Stopped under reds for Safety Barry, the driver is checked by a medical expert and if deemed to be ok then he is free to continue on which he was. The officials are not medical experts and are given advice from the medical expert on the day. in this case the all clear was given and wouldn’t matter who the drivers are and where or what the team they represent the same result would have happened. Done it before and do it again not only just for medical but also for an unsafe vehicle as if passes the test then also free to continue. Free to call me anytime if you want any help interpreting on the rules. Regards Cheers old2nz. Unfortunately we did not get to see any of that take place on the live stream as the live streaming companies, understandably, keep the cameras pointed elsewhere (and don't show any replays) when any situation looks potentially serious. That meant, as viewers, all we had to go by was the commentary, and under normal circumstances (today, with one race only, was a very abnormal day) maybe somebody with a microphone would have caught up with somebody from SNZ and got that official explanation. I've said for many years that the commentary team at the P/N Teams event needs an extra micman up in the officials box (no other speedway meeting has as big and passionate live crowd, as large a streaming audience, or the same amount of general interest) so as to be able to bring that sort of explanation to the masses, basically as it happens. I'll give you a call one evening during the week. Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2023 22:23:34 GMT 12
I for one get darn sick of people keep saying its rigged all the time , simple answer to all of you if you don't like it then don't watch it don't keep rambling on like a broken record OK Drivel!!! Look at the live draw again please. You'll hear that Wanganui is named for three races, the second & third being called one after the other. It's hard to imagine there isn't rigging going on when you make a critical examination of who the Panthers draw year in and year out. The blatant bias of the commentators too is so hard to swallow. So pleased to see them all given their come-uppance by a superb Eagles team. Oh, and no I'm not a passionate, one-eyed Eagles fan, don't even live down south. Just a passionate speedway fan who enjoys level playing fields and unfairness put to rights. I'd suggest that your barb is born out of your own acceptance that where-ever there is smoke there is fire and for years and years and years there's been too much smoke to ignore the fires of draw rigging. It's an easy fix to ensure draw rigging as well as draw rigging suspicions and allegations are avoided. Maybe next year? Not likely! I was involved with the draw for many years until a few years ago, and we did it live in many places, such as on Sky TV, on LiveSPORT radio, on TV3, at Waikaraka Park and various other places, and I can assure you that during those years at least (obviously I can't vouch for anything I had no involvement in) that the draw was NEVER ONCE rigged, altered, redrawn or fixed in any way!!!!! There were always other people involved in the draw each year, not just myself, and I'd often be there purely to ensure they didn't completely stuff it up on live TV or radio (especially as some of these media people had no idea what Superstock teams racing even was) and I just used to get the draw done and race order sorted send the outcome onto the promotion to put in the souvenir programme. One year the Palmy Panthers, the Manawatu Mustangs and the Nelson Tigers (when they were on top of their game) all drew the same group. The promotion was horrified, but it happened. It doesn't really matter how, where, or when, the draw is done, they'll always be some who make rigging accusations. And sometimes it appeared as if it was, but the law of averages says that one year the Panthers will get a tough draw, another year an average draw and the year after that an easy draw. That's what random draws do. Barry B |
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Post by percy on Feb 6, 2023 22:32:30 GMT 12
Letting the 88p continue is one of the strangest decisions I've ever seen from officials, and not just at teams champs. . Barry B Stopped under reds for Safety Barry, the driver is checked by a medical expert and if deemed to be ok then he is free to continue on which he was. The officials are not medical experts and are given advice from the medical expert on the day. in this case the all clear was given and wouldn’t matter who the drivers are and where or what the team they represent the same result would have happened. Done it before and do it again not only just for medical but also for a unsafe vehicle as if passes the test then also free to continue. Free to call me anytime if you want any help interpreting on the rules. Regards Can you explain where the provision for this is within the teams racing rulebook? Are you saying the race was stopped under R12-4-52 If an incident has occurred that the Referee deems dangerous, the race will be stopped? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2023 0:15:03 GMT 12
Where did the 88p get to after the restart? Did it just go the length of the grandstand straight and stop again?
Barry B
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Not likely!