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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 16, 2024 13:23:22 GMT 12
“”It is with much regret that I inform the members of the following noncompliant outcomes:
16C / 2NZ Saloon Competitor, Mr Ashton Osborne has been deemed noncompliant of the following rules by way of a SNZ Appeal outcome:
T11-2-6 (e)
T11-2-37 (a)
T11-2-36 (f)
T11-2-34 (d)
T11-2-39 (a)
T11-2-39 (c)
429c / 4nz Saloon competitor Mr Campbell McManaway has been deemed noncompliant of the following rules by:
T11-2-37 (a)
T11-2-39 (b)
T11-2-3
T11-2-36 (f)
In accordance with rule E2-10-8 the above competitors is deemed noncompliant for every event entered from
29 January 2024.
These events include but are not limited to:
• SNZ New Zealand Saloon Championship 29 January 2024 at McDonalds Kihikihi Speedway
• SNZ South Island Saloon Championship 10 February 2024 at Central Motors Speedway
• SNZ Saloon Grand Prix 24 March 2024 at MG Taranaki Stratford Speedway.
As result of the above ruling Mr Osborne has been relieved of any and all SNZ titles attained from 29 January 2024.
In addition to this the board handed down additional penaltys by the way of a fine of $1000 nzd and a suspension from racing untill 2 January 2025.
As result of the above ruling Mr McManaway has been relieved of any and all SNZ titles attained from 29 January 2024. A full and final decision on any additional penalties has not been decided as the Board awaits the Competitors response to the above.
As a result of the above, the updated official results for the respective Championships are as follows:
NZ Saloon Championship:
1NZ Jarred Fletcher
2NZ / 8k Kevin Williams
3NZ / 21a Steve Williams
NZ Saloon Grand Prix
1GP / 86s Bradley Korff
2GP / 242p Ashleigh King
3GP / 8s Craig Korff
South Island Championship
1SI / 42k Trent Amrein
2SI / 47t George Phillips
3SI / 9g Rodney Mcindoe
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Post by beachboy on Jul 16, 2024 13:55:22 GMT 12
Engine wasn't so Stealth🤣
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 16, 2024 14:41:22 GMT 12
I do hope that all prize money gained from these titles was payed back to Speedway New Zealand and passed onto the new place getters aswell as the addentional fine..
The fine would be less than the prize money gained.
I also think it should be all titles removed from the day the engine first had the seals put on even if that dates back multiple seasons
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Post by minifan on Jul 16, 2024 15:21:06 GMT 12
They need to pay back all prize money for ANY events they have received money from since that date, return all trophies and sashes so it can all then be passed on to the next recipients.
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Post by tractionavant on Jul 16, 2024 16:07:31 GMT 12
T-11-2-6(e) refers to the 'base road car' ie the body of the Osborne car did not meet the saloon car rules. The other non compliance seems to relate to the use of non permitted roller rockers and non approved engine blocks.
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 16, 2024 16:38:58 GMT 12
The 2nz Osbourne car has been found to be uncompliant from the following
T11-2-37 Engine Block
(a) Option One: OE road car block.
Tall deck or raised cam blocks are not permitted.
T11-2-36 Engine Capacity & Configuration Restrictions
(F) Engine originally fitted with OE needle or roller and/or roller tip rockers that retains the OE needle/roller set up: maximum 4212cc (257ci).
T11-2-34 Engine
(d)OE engine can be modified except where prohibited in this Section.
T11-2-39 Rockers
(a)
Rocker Configuration is to be as per OE
(i)shaft mounted must remain so, (ii) stud mounted must remain so.
T11-2-39 Rockers
(c) Roller Rockers not permitted.
T11-2-6 BASE ROAD CAR
(E) The road car must be a two or four door production saloon or sportscar. It cannot be a convertible, ute, SUV, van, wagon or similar.
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 16, 2024 16:49:05 GMT 12
The 4nz /429c has been found to be un compliment from the following
T11-2-37 Engine Block
(a) Option One: OE road car block.
Tall deck or raised cam blocks are not permitted.
T11-2-39 Rockers
(b) Engines originally manufactured with pressed steel rockers:-
(i) can have the rocker stud slot lengthened.
(ii) no other modifications permitted.
T11-2-3
Only modifications specifically mentioned in Section T11-2 are permitted. No other modifications are allowed.
UNLESS IT SAYS YOU CAN THEN YOU MUST NOT!
T11-2-36 Engine Capacity & Configuration Restrictions
(F) Engine originally fitted with OE needle or roller and/or roller tip rockers that retains the OE needle/roller set up: maximum 4212cc (257ci).
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Post by wildcatsfan on Jul 16, 2024 18:11:01 GMT 12
They need to pay back all prize money for ANY events they have received money from since that date, return all trophies and sashes so it can all then be passed on to the next recipients. Seems to me the SNZ rulings, sanctions & penalties imposed (as justified as they are) have opened the proverbial can of worms. Now it appears to have become a question of these drivers integrity. |
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Post by dandittmer on Jul 16, 2024 19:07:44 GMT 12
Suspension doesn’t seem very long,
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Post by Wingnut99 on Jul 16, 2024 19:10:29 GMT 12
What engine are we talking about?
These two guys have raced all season with these engines, how come now one saw this coming
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Post by flatty888 on Jul 16, 2024 21:23:11 GMT 12
What engine are we talking about? These two guys have raced all season with these engines, how come now one saw this coming ? some may have seen it coming  |
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Post by tractionavant on Jul 16, 2024 21:57:08 GMT 12
Flatty888, not sure what the picture is showing, I'm seeing a Chev LS engine, Chev small block heads, and a Nissan 4 cylinder engine.
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Post by stylebender on Jul 16, 2024 22:51:22 GMT 12
They need to pay back all prize money for ANY events they have received money from since that date, return all trophies and sashes so it can all then be passed on to the next recipients. 100% agree , they should actually go one step further and put a post on their FB racing page to update their 8000+ followers , especially since some of them have purchased 2NZ merchandise. They are normally fairly vocal however the silence at the moment is deafening. |
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Post by wildcatsfan on Jul 16, 2024 23:39:16 GMT 12
They need to pay back all prize money for ANY events they have received money from since that date, return all trophies and sashes so it can all then be passed on to the next recipients. 100% agree , they should actually go one step further and put a post on their FB racing page to update their 8000+ followers , especially since some of them have purchased 2NZ merchandise. They are normally fairly vocal however the silence at the moment is deafening. It seems that the Speedway NZ rulebook has other ideas about the legitimacy of the "successes" of last season proudly trumped on their FB page. Having been quick to bathe in those "achievements", I, as a Saloons class fan, trust that this teams' tarnished reputation will be quickly rectified by actions, not rhetoric, more becoming of a top class team. Humility in rhetoric is one thing - humble actions are quite another and are the very least the fans and the clubs memberships deserve. Integrity is earned, not a right, and is easily lost. The to-date deafening silence from the team suggests that humble pie is hard to swallow. Not even an acknowledgement of the SNZ decision, let alone whether they intend to appeal that decision and the penalties imposed or not. |
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Post by stylebender on Jul 16, 2024 23:47:12 GMT 12
100% agree , they should actually go one step further and put a post on their FB racing page to update their 8000+ followers , especially since some of them have purchased 2NZ merchandise. They are normally fairly vocal however the silence at the moment is deafening. It seems that the Speedway NZ rulebook has other ideas about the legitimacy of the "successes" of last season proudly trumped on their FB page. Having been quick to bathe in those "achievements", I, as a Saloons class fan, trust that this teams' tarnished reputation will be quickly rectified by actions, not rhetoric, more becoming of a top class team. Humility in rhetoric is one thing - humble actions are quite another and are the very least the fans and the clubs memberships deserve. Integrity is earned, not a right, and is easily lost. The to-date deafening silence from the team suggests that humble pie is hard to swallow. Not even an acknowledgement of the SNZ decision, let alone whether they intend to appeal that decision and the penalties imposed or not. It says that Osborne has appealed and was unsuccessful, Mcmanaway is yet to respond, it's not unusual for M Osborne to throw his toys out when it doesn't go his way. |
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 17, 2024 0:27:43 GMT 12
“haters will hate and mention the word cheating and others will copy it.”
Quote from watkins race engine post from the 21st November 2022
Sounds to me that they knew what they were doing was wrong and werent fazed by that
“As most of you would have noticed the 16c saloon of Osborne racing has a new power plant, with the trial CT 525 not being allowed in Mark asked me for options, so came up with the best solution i could. In the engine game every now and then things move forward, haters will hate and mention the word cheating and others will copy it. Am very proud of the end result of this engine and wish Ashton best of luck for the season.”
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Post by stylebender on Jul 17, 2024 8:45:57 GMT 12
“haters will hate and mention the word cheating and others will copy it.” Quote from watkins race engine post from the 21st November 2022 Sounds to me that they knew what they were doing was wrong and werent fazed by that “As most of you would have noticed the 16c saloon of Osborne racing has a new power plant, with the trial CT 525 not being allowed in Mark asked me for options, so came up with the best solution i could. In the engine game every now and then things move forward, haters will hate and mention the word cheating and others will copy it. Am very proud of the end result of this engine and wish Ashton best of luck for the season.” Agree, even when the CT525 trial was running Osborne said he was happy to answer ALL questions when the reality was he was very selective, it sounds like because the CT525 didn't get voted in that Osborne and his engine builder thought they were above the rules and being clever. SNZ thought otherwise and great for all others that follow the rules that these 2 engines have been exposed. |
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Post by The other guy on Jul 17, 2024 10:53:30 GMT 12
Can I ask a silly question please?
How did these engines get passed and sealed in the first place.
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 17, 2024 11:52:17 GMT 12
Can I ask a silly question please? How did these engines get passed and sealed in the first place. One of the many approved engine sealers in chch will have checked it off and then it would have also been checked over externaly by the local green sheeter. |
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Post by stylebender on Jul 17, 2024 13:56:34 GMT 12
Can I ask a silly question please? How did these engines get passed and sealed in the first place. One of the many approved engine sealers in chch will have checked it off and then it would have also been checked over externaly by the local green sheeter. Keep in mind that an Engine sealers responsibility is to measure and check cubic displacement.... nothing more. |
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