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Post by my2cents on Jul 20, 2024 18:47:55 GMT 12
I believe SNZ really missed out on a fantastic opportunity by not allowing the CT525. In my opinion that would have been the best outcome for the class. SNZ need to look forwards not in the rear view mirror. It's up to the competitors to allow the CT525 not SNZ and the competitors did not want it |
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Post by beachboy on Jul 20, 2024 19:04:15 GMT 12
Jason from The Pits Media in yesterday's podcast prior to the Peter Rees SNZ board interview said that he was not happy with SNZ's media release regarding Cam McManaway as Cam had not had the opportunity to respond to the allegations regarding his engine or lodge an appeal. On reading the SNZ press release I think Jason (and Cam) might well be rightly aggrieved. A decision released publically as a fait accompli before the conclusion of the process might well be seen by a court as a failure of SNZ procedures and a denial of natural justice. You couldn't believe anything McManaway says could be why SNZ did not wait for him to respond. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129864784/fisherman-forfeits-boat-after-entering-guilty-pleas |
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Post by stylebender on Jul 20, 2024 19:15:08 GMT 12
Jason from The Pits Media in yesterday's podcast prior to the Peter Rees SNZ board interview said that he was not happy with SNZ's media release regarding Cam McManaway as Cam had not had the opportunity to respond to the allegations regarding his engine or lodge an appeal. On reading the SNZ press release I think Jason (and Cam) might well be rightly aggrieved. A decision released publically as a fait accompli before the conclusion of the process might well be seen by a court as a failure of SNZ procedures and a denial of natural justice. You couldn't believe anything McManaway says could be why SNZ did not wait for him to respond. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129864784/fisherman-forfeits-boat-after-entering-guilty-pleasThat's not good , you're possibly right. |
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Post by midway on Jul 20, 2024 19:42:39 GMT 12
Jason from The Pits Media in yesterday's podcast prior to the Peter Rees SNZ board interview said that he was not happy with SNZ's media release regarding Cam McManaway as Cam had not had the opportunity to respond to the allegations regarding his engine or lodge an appeal. On reading the SNZ press release I think Jason (and Cam) might well be rightly aggrieved. A decision released publically as a fait accompli before the conclusion of the process might well be seen by a court as a failure of SNZ procedures and a denial of natural justice. You couldn't believe anything McManaway says could be why SNZ did not wait for him to respond. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129864784/fisherman-forfeits-boat-after-entering-guilty-pleasYou would convict a blind man of guilt on which the current topic being discussed ,has a reference to other matters that have been bought before the court . |
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Post by nakifans on Jul 21, 2024 5:47:41 GMT 12
In all fairness to Mr McManaway ; the previous work offence referenced, 3/5 Feb 020 and article dated 13/09/022
SNZ incident/saga 024
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Post by grindingdisc on Jul 21, 2024 11:20:56 GMT 12
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Post by stylebender on Jul 21, 2024 11:35:58 GMT 12
So if falsified documents for their livelihood, creates a fair bit of doubt to if he knew the engine was illegal. Not a good look. 🤔 Hopefully SNZ clamp down on cheating across all classes. |
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Post by stylebender on Jul 21, 2024 18:54:42 GMT 12
In all fairness to Mr McManaway ; the previous work offence referenced, 3/5 Feb 020 and article dated 13/09/022 SNZ incident/saga 024 That's just the time they caught him, if they weren't suspicious of him they wouldn't have been looking, and no one would leave illegal fish on board if they are expecting to be searched. His attitude toward his illegal nets is exactly the same as his attitude to illegal rockers. So benefit of the doubt, he only ever did it once, yeah right and Elvis was an alien and adolf was Jewish. If it looks like BS and smells like BS must you really pick it up to make sure? Whilst I agree with you , going by the SNZ release its only the Osborne engine with illegal rockers? 🤔 However Osborne, Watkins & McManaway are all very tight so would struggle to believe that they ALL didn't know both engines were illegal. |
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Post by interestedbystander on Jul 21, 2024 21:52:03 GMT 12
deleted posts,none of my bizzniss
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Post by midway on Jul 22, 2024 13:36:12 GMT 12
This actually amuses me ,illegal saloon engines ,its been around for years ,and still will as top engine builders try there very best to get an advantage over what is claimed to be a rule book .
I know only by first hand how the tecnical committee tried for years to pin something on how a certain top saloon car seemed to have a distinct advantage over others .
You can have all the horse power in the world ,the traction moving forward is where the dollars are across the winning post .
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Post by sadfish on Jul 22, 2024 13:45:25 GMT 12
New rules every year to make the lower classes faster, If you want to go faster change to a faster class where money wins, saloons is a class where the driver plays a bigger part in winning, not just your wallet, long slot rockers are there for a reason because the will only take 500thou cam lift any more and it brakes the bottoms out of the rockers, thus limiting the cams also, a good set of roller rockers will make a heap of difference to the engines performance. bending the rules, not understanding what's in your engine, pushing the envelope to be the first to have a new thing is all well and good, as long as it is within the intent of the rules, when I raced saloons years ago there was big named drivers with chrome moly front clips so their rear weight was better and everyone new but no one did anything about it, so this sort of thing has been around for years, because you don't want to be that guy, you know the guy that protested so and so
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Post by mod46c on Jul 22, 2024 15:46:43 GMT 12
I believe SNZ really missed out on a fantastic opportunity by not allowing the CT525. In my opinion that would have been the best outcome for the class. SNZ need to look forwards not in the rear view mirror. That could well be the case but I will say if you change anything on a crate engine it is no longer a crate engine. |
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Post by danpies on Jul 22, 2024 15:59:14 GMT 12
492c has announced his retirement from speedway Just sticking to "non compliant" fishing nets now.... |
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Post by danpies on Jul 22, 2024 15:59:45 GMT 12
That's not good , you're possibly right. 100% |
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Post by stylebender on Jul 23, 2024 11:36:46 GMT 12
I do think they knew more about the cheating than what people are letting on.. after all they were the ones behind pushing towards a crate engine.. i doubt someone with no knowledge of engines would be jumping to try push such a change and i really doubt the engine builder would have had anything to do with a crate engine when they arent aloud to touch it.. As per the reference to the qoute from the old facebook post “haters will hate and mention the word cheating and others will copy it.” So 8 days after the official statement from SNZ there is no public post or apologies from CMR , OR, or WRE for their combined 12,000+ followers on social media & to add insult to injury the posts of those competitors winning the SNZ tittles that they are now stripped of are still up. Personally I think it's bloody appalling and looks like a big middle finger to everyone including all the other Saloon competitors that competed in those same events. Pretty sure these same teams would be very vocal if the shoe was on the other foot.🤔 |
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Post by mrdamage on Jul 23, 2024 12:26:21 GMT 12
^ I think you need to get a grip mate, you sound like you've got a personal vendetta against them with your fresh signup and posts. You've not even been presented with 1/3 of the story. Clearly you have so much time on your hands, maybe you should pick up the phone and talk to them? - Not like any of them are hard to find.. Because its not nearly as one sided as you're making it sound.  |
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Post by percy on Jul 23, 2024 12:31:37 GMT 12
I think we've covered just about every possible angle on this press release
I'll leave it open in case anyone else has something different to say and if there are any new developments
I don't see the point in re-iterating things that have already been said
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Post by stylebender on Jul 23, 2024 12:38:09 GMT 12
^ I think you need to get a grip mate, you sound like you've got a personal vendetta against them with your fresh signup and posts. You've not even been presented with 1/3 of the story. Clearly you have so much time on your hands, maybe you should pick up the phone and talk to them? - Not like any of them are hard to find.. Because its not nearly as one sided as you're making it sound. Not nearly as one sided? .. so SNZ got it wrong then? It's not an opinion or an accusation, it's a fact that they were caught cheating by SNZ as per their official statement. 😉 |
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Post by Jase2 on Jul 23, 2024 13:43:55 GMT 12
McManaway certinaly has had some good ole fierce battles with the fisheries over the years. Think hes had a seizure on his boat a few times. Read the story again and note there was a fisheries inspector on the boat. Campbell made an error on some records and recorded the wrong thing on the wrong paperwork. You dont intentionally do illegal stuff in front of a fisheries observer. He paid the fine and moved on. Fisheries never warn you or say to you where you go wrong .. they just fine you. Anyone in the industry knows that!
99% of the time that Campbell has had issues, he hasnt even been on the boat. But its not the skipper that gets in trouble .. its the boat owner!
But what you dont hear about is the cases that McManaway has won over the fisheries that never get published. Its that good ole saying, they only go for the big fish with the most money to justify there exsistence and keep themselves current. If you all only knew the whole story then you would certainly think twice.
As for this engine stuff... No one is allowed to say anything because it will be appealed and lawyers on all sides have said they can't say a thing. I would think it was pretty obvious. My only comment online was i found it strange that when you a apart of an appeal process that you are named and shamed before the conclusion of that process. Effectively, you are guilty before you have proven yourself innocent.
"not sure about Jason though, not his car is it?" What kind of stupid comment is that. He is a very good friend and I have just as much right to say something when something impacts a friend of mine.
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Post by stylebender on Jul 23, 2024 13:53:35 GMT 12
McManaway certinaly has had some good ole fierce battles with the fisheries over the years. Think hes had a seizure on his boat a few times. Read the story again and note there was a fisheries inspector on the boat. Campbell made an error on some records and recorded the wrong thing on the wrong paperwork. You dont intentionally do illegal stuff in front of a fisheries observer. He paid the fine and moved on. Fisheries never warn you or say to you where you go wrong .. they just fine you. Anyone in the industry knows that! 99% of the time that Campbell has had issues, he hasnt even been on the boat. But its not the skipper that gets in trouble .. its the boat owner! But what you dont hear about is the cases that McManaway has won over the fisheries that never get published. Its that good ole saying, they only go for the big fish with the most money to justify there exsistence and keep themselves current. If you all only knew the whole story then you would certainly think twice. As for this engine stuff... No one is allowed to say anything because it will be appealed and lawyers on all sides have said they can't say a thing. I would think it was pretty obvious. My only comment online was i found it strange that when you a apart of an appeal process that you are named and shamed before the conclusion of that process. Effectively, you are guilty before you have proven yourself innocent. "not sure about Jason though, not his car is it?" What kind of stupid comment is that. He is a very good friend and I have just as much right to say something when something impacts a friend of mine. Thank you for the clarification as to the silence. 👍 |
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