World 240s Discussion Thread (Read 22,148 times)

[BarryB]

Rockyford, Stockcars, by sheer weight of numbers and particularly on a track where the wall generates action, will generally turn on a spectacle like that over 2 nights. Every class has their own idiosyncrasies, and when combined with the format, the track, the wall and the mood of the drivers on any given night, can throw up a different spectacle. You could throw those same Stockcar drivers out there again this week and get zero railway irons broken. But it's the unpredictable nature of the sport that is one of its greatest attractions.

[stockmad]

I agree there is more action in stockcars . but with superstocks its the speed and sound of these cars that i like. u got sprint cars and saloons. but nothing beats the sound of the v8s in the superstocks even better when theres a full feild of them

[fordfan]

Jan 16, 2010 11:53:18 GMT 12 haka said:

Speedbox paid.check
beer in fridge.check
Laptop hooked up to plasma tv.check

Lets go racing

Ditto ;D ;D

[muncho]

Jan 16, 2010 14:34:00 GMT 12 fordfan said:

Jan 16, 2010 11:53:18 GMT 12 haka said:

Speedbox paid.check
beer in fridge.check
Laptop hooked up to plasma tv.check

Lets go racing

Ditto ;D ;D

Ditto x3 ;D ;D

[busterbell]

spare a thought for us southeners where a full field of superstocks are now a distant memory. one of our biggest meetings down this way the south island champs only attracted 12 entries (give or take)

[penman]

I'm struggling to see the basis for the argument that the class is killing itself.
Big numbers here...and big numbers for the NZ champs. On that basis alone, the sport is doing pretty well.

But the thing that really gets me is the range of complaints about 'flag' racing.
Surely that's what this particular event is about - getting enough points to become the World 240 champion. Isn't is blatantly obvious that it's not possible to do that without racing for the flag (or for as many points as one can get).
The NZ champs will have exactly the same format in a couple of weeks time; I expect it, and I should imagine that anyone with a racing brain would expect it too.

However, once drivers realise they can:
A) Help their trackmates to a title by taking out the competition;
B) Improve their own chances by taking an opponent out or making up a number of spots on the track;
C) Form an alliance with another car (or cars) to improve their title shot, or;
D) Absolutely ruin it for some other competitor in the way of payback (I'll leave you all to make your own judgements on this one)
That's when the hitting will really start.

Why would any driver enter, travel and compete in Friday qualifying just to spend all night hitting other cars and ruin their own chances?

[sticky]

Jan 16, 2010 15:45:46 GMT 12 penman said:

I'm struggling to see the basis for the argument that the class is killing itself.
Big numbers here...and big numbers for the NZ champs. On that basis alone, the sport is doing pretty well.

But the thing that really gets me is the range of complaints about 'flag' racing.
Surely that's what this particular event is about - getting enough points to become the World 240 champion. Isn't is blatantly obvious that it's not possible to do that without racing for the flag (or for as many points as one can get).
The NZ champs will have exactly the same format in a couple of weeks time; I expect it, and I should imagine that anyone with a racing brain would expect it too.

However, once drivers realise they can:
A) Help their trackmates to a title by taking out the competition;
B) Improve their own chances by taking an opponent out or making up a number of spots on the track;
C) Form an alliance with another car (or cars) to improve their title shot, or;
D) Absolutely ruin it for some other competitor in the way of payback (I'll leave you all to make your own judgements on this one)
That's when the hitting will really start.

Why would any driver enter, travel and compete in Friday qualifying just to spend all night hitting other cars and ruin their own chances?

Hear Hear!!!

[sonic33]

With you Peter46s. I said the same last year, and got more of a bashing than I have witnessed at most superstock meets, from those that love the superstocks.

I have done what Horse has suggested and have stayed away from all superstock meets for a while now (with exception of the teams). The crowd is still there so the attraction is obviously there for quite a few, and I am obviously not missed Lol. I may miss a few goodies but I have saved alot of money by missing many meets that reviews suggest I haven't missed much.

I know look at what's on the support programme and decide from there. KK may have done enough to entice me to the finals of the NZ champs in a couple of weeks tho.

[busterbell]

Jan 16, 2010 15:45:46 GMT 12 penman said:

Big numbers here...and big numbers for the NZ champs. On that basis alone, the sport is doing pretty well.

2 tracks are contracting supers in the south island, with numbers dire at one in particular.
and you reckon the class is doing pretty well??
or as long as it is doin well on your side of the ditch, is that all that counts

[Roxcyford]

Jan 16, 2010 13:35:44 GMT 12 @peter46s said:

cheers rocky. new this would stir things .as for gate fees my kids are over 16 we dont lie at the gate Thanks. As for coments off stay at home ? Well Hello thats what people are doing

not a problem pete you are correct in what you are saying.i.e it is just as well they had the bop stockcar champs last night & the h.o.t stockcars tonight otherwise the crowd maybe a whole lot smaller face the facts stockcars are now the number 1 entertainment as a whole in nz speedway circles

[penman]

Hey Buster,

Guess where I hail from originally and who I support fervently?
That's right...Nelson. So, the 'my side of the ditch' argument doesn't have a basis as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, I reckon the class is doing pretty well.
Doesn't 93 entries for the NZ champs and a good 240s field indicate that the sport is doing well, no matter where the cars come from?

Two southern tracks contracting Supers...sure, I have no doubt it could be better, but let's overlay that argument against population, average salary, sponsorship potential, etc and I think you'll find that the basis of the Supers is - on a whole - reflected by those numbers, or by the areas of the sport that have traditionally been strong. I think you'll find that argument could probably be repeated in all sports.
Yes, you could argue that Auckland should have more entries based on that, or that Palmerston North could have fewer, but there will always be anomalies.
The contracting of drivers to certain tracks outside where they live is one thing that will cause problems with those numbers, but is that something that the sport is ever going to be able to change?

Anyway, apart from Nelson and the Glen, which other South island tracks have had a strong history in Superstocks - or even stockcars? And, has anyone ever asked WHY the sport is in decline in the area you mentioned? Is it a lack of competitor support, or is it something deeper...perhaps with the club?

From a patriotic point of view though, isn't 1NZ, 2NZ and 3NZ from the South island enough to indicate the sport isn't in such bad shape down there?

[Brett85p]

Rained off, 2pm tomorrow

[The Godfather]

Canned....rain out

[penman]

At least the Poms will feel at home! ;D

[Brett85p]

darn, Speedbox finally working in time to watch the crowd leave

[penman]

Could be worse Brett. Doubletrouble kept getting porn coming up on his computer when he was looking for speedbox....guess he'll still have something to watch.

[dan77G]

gutted...

[richardj]

I see earlier someone complaining about the cost to get into this meeting, last weekend i attended a meeting here in australia in Brisbane. Cost per adult for final night (only went to final night of 2 night meeting) was $35.00 adult and $80 Family (2ASdults + 2 kids). Was the Australian Sprintcar open ( Not to be confused with Aust Championship),only 2 classes on show a very poor Minisprint class (or at least thats what they looked like) and the sprintcars. Started at 6pm with time trials for Sprints then a 1/2 hr wait until first race all over by 9.30. Did get a fireworks display halfway through meeting which by the time they got moving again was at least another 1/2 hr, so about 2 - 2 1/2 hrs racing including inter views etc . I know where i would rather be, ROTORUA for the 240s, only class to make what little hair i do have stand on its end when those V8s crank up. Sprintcars were ok, bloody quick Donny Schultz won to take home the 20k first prize to go with the 50k he won in Sydney the week before.

[busterbell]

Jan 16, 2010 18:11:55 GMT 12 penman said:

Hey Buster,

Guess where I hail from originally and who I support fervently?
That's right...Nelson. So, the 'my side of the ditch' argument doesn't have a basis as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, I reckon the class is doing pretty well.
Doesn't 93 entries for the NZ champs and a good 240s field indicate that the sport is doing well, no matter where the cars come from?

Two southern tracks contracting Supers...sure, I have no doubt it could be better, but let's overlay that argument against population, average salary, sponsorship potential, etc and I think you'll find that the basis of the Supers is - on a whole - reflected by those numbers, or by the areas of the sport that have traditionally been strong. I think you'll find that argument could probably be repeated in all sports.
Yes, you could argue that Auckland should have more entries based on that, or that Palmerston North could have fewer, but there will always be anomalies.
The contracting of drivers to certain tracks outside where they live is one thing that will cause problems with those numbers, but is that something that the sport is ever going to be able to change?

Anyway, apart from Nelson and the Glen, which other South island tracks have had a strong history in Superstocks - or even stockcars? And, has anyone ever asked WHY the sport is in decline in the area you mentioned? Is it a lack of competitor support, or is it something deeper...perhaps with the club?

From a patriotic point of view though, isn't 1NZ, 2NZ and 3NZ from the South island enough to indicate the sport isn't in such bad shape down there?

no all that means is that the class is flourishing in the north where quite the opposite is happning in the south.
other clubs may not have been as strong as the c's and n's but they still made a contribution.
locally the stockcar class is on the rise, attracting more joe bloggs from the other side of the fence, where-as the supers are being propped up by the same few competitors who have done so for some time now and may not continue to do for much longer.

[muncho]

Jan 16, 2010 16:39:44 GMT 12 busterbell said:

Jan 16, 2010 15:45:46 GMT 12 penman said:

Big numbers here...and big numbers for the NZ champs. On that basis alone, the sport is doing pretty well.

2 tracks are contracting supers in the south island, with numbers dire at one in particular.
and you reckon the class is doing pretty well??
or as long as it is doin well on your side of the ditch, is that all that counts

Well you pump up the tyres of the nelson cars so much BB,youd have to forgive some of us palmy supporters for thinking the class down south was in great shape