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Post by chris13w on Aug 11, 2014 21:13:50 GMT 12
whichis also in direct contrast to the "any modification allowed" - line written in the rule book! Sorry, mine was a play on cant/can't............ I think you're on a whole different level of subtlety  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 7:03:17 GMT 12
Sorry, mine was a play on cant/can't............ I think you're on a whole different level of subtlety yeah - and im so used to bad spelling on here that i totally missed it! |
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Post by tank11 on Aug 12, 2014 7:46:36 GMT 12
I think you're on a whole different level of subtlety yeah - and im so used to bad spelling on here that i totally missed it! No excuses. lol. |
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Post by karter55 on Aug 12, 2014 14:16:01 GMT 12
Surely " any modification allowed " should be the entire engine rulebook done & dusted... half the drama with any form of motorsport is to many bloody rules that cancel out the last one. From outside looking in supers should be a free for all, if you cant afford it go run saloons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 15:18:38 GMT 12
oohps..maybe we need another class! MegaSaloons ...if it fits in your car ....run it..no more Bovine faecal matter!
they could just call it Open Class Saloons...man the money guys have to spend in this sport to get quick and stay legal...the whole freaking sport needs to go back to basics and cut out so much of this craziness..who comes up with all these regulations right across our speedway classes....over regulated, under compensated lol, I understand that racing in America is supported strongly by factory set ups, if this is so, we must remember that here in little ol NZ we are not supported in any way by engine manufacturers and therefore don't have to follow on the same stringent rules to level out the playing field as the Americans seem to, we have no financial allegiances to ford, Toyota, chevy or mopar...why get so technical to make em even..?
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Post by speedman on Aug 12, 2014 23:13:57 GMT 12
Why Super Saloons did not join the rest of the world and went to the USA Late Model specs is very surprising considering only abut 2 or 3 spec rules between them
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Post by BarryB on Aug 13, 2014 7:03:54 GMT 12
Why Super Saloons did not join the rest of the world and went to the USA Late Model specs is very surprising considering only abut 2 or 3 spec rules between them The "rest of the world?" There may be a couple more things we could learn from the Late Model class which could help cut costs for the Super Saloon division, but other than Baypark our tracks aren't big enough to race a full field of cars with bodywork that big. Barry B |
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Post by mrnizmo86 on Aug 13, 2014 9:51:46 GMT 12
There may be a couple more things we could learn from the Late Model class which could help cut costs for the Super Saloon division, but other than Baypark our tracks aren't big enough to race a full field of cars with bodywork that big.
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Maybe our drivers would need to up their skills and not make gaps to go through then. lol
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Post by BarryB on Aug 13, 2014 10:24:01 GMT 12
Maybe our drivers would need to up their skills and not make gaps to go through then. lol Maybe (although I feel the standard of driving has improved immensely since the birth but more especially the growth of the ELF Cup and BK Series), but considering that many tracks struggle to turn on a really good side by side display with the size of the cars now, I don't feel going even bigger will enhance the show in any way, shape or form. Passing is what makes the show. Single file racing does not. A question though; Would a Late Model be harder, easier, or just the same when it came to the pounding it gives the racing surface? (Sorry for getting off the subject of valve angles and onto car angles). Barry B |
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Post by midway on Aug 13, 2014 12:18:24 GMT 12
It more than likely wont matter which angle the valves are at when Blondie hits the track especially on the more smaller tighter ones ,as for the use of Sprintcar engines ,the two that were in those cars at baypark ,when good old Willie was the man of the moment ,proved they were less competitive ,caught fire ,than the spider man from the Naki aging Corvette .Of course there were those who made bullets and fired them sitting in the grandstand ,and ducked for cover ,about the promotion ,but it all came out in the wash afterwards . |
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Post by speedman on Aug 13, 2014 15:33:42 GMT 12
Why would you use a open wheel engine spec and not a sedan engine spec such as the late model engine . As for how wide a late model is it is 4 inch,s wider than a commodore car . so i do not know where people get there information from .
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Post by brettgrace on Aug 13, 2014 16:36:26 GMT 12
BarryB late models run less tyre so its the old smaller footprint more pressure on track debate. The late models I've seen don't appear any bigger than a super, they run a lot straighter in the turns though. Maybe on our small tracks that would mean you'd fit two side by side more often?
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Post by BarryB on Aug 13, 2014 17:23:21 GMT 12
Why would you use a open wheel engine spec and not a sedan engine spec such as the late model engine . As for how wide a late model is it is 4 inch,s wider than a commodore car . so i do not know where people get there information from . It's not just the width but the length as well, especially considering speedway cars don't drive "straight" around the bends. You've only got to look at pics from the two Aussie Logan Homes Late Models racing at WP in the 80's, and Ray Wright in his #88 at Meremere, to clearly see how big one of those cars looks next to one of ours......although I suspect many of our Supers have grown a bit since those days too. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by speedman on Aug 13, 2014 18:52:44 GMT 12
You are right BarryB ,the Logan Homes cars were big but they are not Late Models They were Grand Nationals which died about 25 years ago . Even in the USA they were not popular so UMP wrote up the specs for Late Model in the late eighties and they went on to become the most popular class in America that even South Africa now race Late Models . Any way about motors i would say that Late Model spec motors are already in use in Super Saloons as they are buying motors from USA Late Model engine builders .
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Post by tr8 on Aug 13, 2014 23:02:41 GMT 12
It is hard to believe super saloon drivers would vote to have there legal engines rendered uncompetitive by allowing a open head rule , a open head rule will allow engines of the 850 plus H/p into the class as you all no in Motorsport the bigger the H/P the more chance you have of winning ,so to stay competitive with the current ruled engine a large amount of money would need to be invested to upgrade to remain competitive.
Pointless really as all the legal super saloons are currently running on a pretty level playing feild with chassie and driver playing the bulk of the role in the winning formula.
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Post by tr8 on Aug 13, 2014 23:08:44 GMT 12
In reply to the latemodel deal a NZ super running again a latemodel , with the latemodel running our weight rule and the same engine rule as per the SNZ rule book . The NZ super will be quicker on NZ tracks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:17:56 GMT 12
quite possibly but the exact same thing can be said traveling in the other direction, yes supersaloon chassis, brakes and suspension are better suited to our tracks and the yanks at home can say the same thing,
we saw the 1USA a couple of years ago at Tauranga, one of the big meetings though it wasn't allowed to compete, however that car was pretty quick round there, too right Brett Grace he was very straight through the bends and had the gas on hugging the pole real early, it looked and sounded very impressive.
Last year we saw two top meetings in Auckland and the racing was electric, best volume of intensity I seen for a good while, also very impressive, so, until someone invents warp speed travel its not going to be an issue on that front at least.
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Post by brettgrace on Aug 14, 2014 0:55:18 GMT 12
In reply to the latemodel deal a NZ super running again a latemodel , with the latemodel running our weight rule and the same engine rule as per the SNZ rule book . The NZ super will be quicker on NZ tracks A lighter, more powerful LM will be slower on a short track than a super? I can give you an idea how quick these things really are on flat short tracks: Belle Clair speedway in Illinois is a flat bull ring slightly shorter than huntly. The LM lap record is an 11.2, only a tenth of a second behind the midget lap record. While I was impressed with how quick our supers are when I saw them at the title this past season, they are yet to reach the speed of a midget. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 8:45:52 GMT 12
It is hard to believe super saloon drivers would vote to have there legal engines rendered uncompetitive by allowing a open head rule , a open head rule will allow engines of the 850 plus H/p into the class as you all no in Motorsport the bigger the H/P the more chance you have of winning ,so to stay competitive with the current ruled engine a large amount of money would need to be invested to upgrade to remain competitive. Pointless really as all the legal super saloons are currently running on a pretty level playing feild with chassie and driver playing the bulk of the role in the winning formula. It might be all s**t but i was told last season Osborne's Super has around 900Hp or is that another one of them speedway rumors? |
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Post by BarryB on Aug 14, 2014 8:53:27 GMT 12
It is hard to believe super saloon drivers would vote to have there legal engines rendered uncompetitive by allowing a open head rule , a open head rule will allow engines of the 850 plus H/p into the class as you all no in Motorsport the bigger the H/P the more chance you have of winning ,so to stay competitive with the current ruled engine a large amount of money would need to be invested to upgrade to remain competitive. Pointless really as all the legal super saloons are currently running on a pretty level playing feild with chassie and driver playing the bulk of the role in the winning formula. It might be all s**t but i was told last season Osborne's Super has around 900Hp or is that another one of them speedway rumors? I think today Shocks would be a bigger secret to success than engine or chassis wouldn't they? And the DRIVER ability to use the whole package to the best of its ability as well, obviously. Barry B |
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