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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 9:48:59 GMT 12
It might be all s**t but i was told last season Osborne's Super has around 900Hp or is that another one of them speedway rumors? I think today Shocks would be a bigger secret to success than engine or chassis wouldn't they? And the DRIVER ability to use the whole package to the best of its ability as well, obviously. Barry B Not trying to take anything away from him Barry, Mark is a world class driver. You can have the best chassis setup with the most power in the world but still doesnt mean it will go any good without a good driver. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 14:28:16 GMT 12
It is hard to believe super saloon drivers would vote to have there legal engines rendered uncompetitive by allowing a open head rule , a open head rule will allow engines of the 850 plus H/p into the class as you all no in Motorsport the bigger the H/P the more chance you have of winning ,so to stay competitive with the current ruled engine a large amount of money would need to be invested to upgrade to remain competitive. Pointless really as all the legal super saloons are currently running on a pretty level playing feild with chassie and driver playing the bulk of the role in the winning formula. It might be all s**t but i was told last season Osborne's Super has around 900Hp or is that another one of them speedway rumors? wouldnt be surprised - the cornet fords are meant to have about 800hp. |
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Post by knownotmuch on Aug 14, 2014 14:36:32 GMT 12
840hp is the rating for Cornet Fords, there is a Chev power Super in the for sale making 848hp, and we have all watched cars barely making 700hp leave these in there wake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 14:56:32 GMT 12
840hp is the rating for Cornet Fords, there is a Chev power Super in the for sale making 848hp, and we have all watched cars barely making 700hp leave these in there wake. Also not surprising, speedways not just power - its also about setup. if you dont have the setup it doesnt matter how much power you have - you cant use it. |
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Post by nakifans on Aug 17, 2014 8:00:27 GMT 12
Does anyone have outcome of directors meeting on the ruling for super saloons valve angles held on the 16th.
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Post by Yard on Aug 18, 2014 15:59:29 GMT 12
Does anyone have outcome of directors meeting on the ruling for super saloons valve angles held on the 16th. No changes to this rule this season. So as by the rule book as It is now. More work to be done by the Tech Committee. |
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Post by knownotmuch on Aug 19, 2014 14:20:47 GMT 12
So does this mean the engines in question are legal for the time being?
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Post by Yard on Aug 19, 2014 21:50:19 GMT 12
So does this mean the engines in question are legal for the time being? "My understanding is at this point in Time", the alleged non-compliant engine(s) must be made compliant as per the rule. I do say this with reservations as things do and have been changed in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 7:03:27 GMT 12
So does this mean the engines in question are legal for the time being? "My understanding is at this point in Time", the alleged non-compliant engine(s) must be made compliant as per the rule. I do say this with reservations as things do and have been changed in the past. but.... canted valves were an issue because they are not mentioned in the rule book - not even once... also , the engines that are under allegation - woah, big word for me! - are actually legal due to the "any modification allowed" statement they have at the top of the engine rules for supersaloons.... Im just gonna say it now - how hard is it to simply say "yes, theyre allowed" or "no you cant have them"? besides the fact that you cannot buy a Ford cleveland v8 that does NOT have canted valves, thats how they are from factory. no modification needed. |
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Post by Yard on Aug 20, 2014 11:35:36 GMT 12
"My understanding is at this point in Time", the alleged non-compliant engine(s) must be made compliant as per the rule. I do say this with reservations as things do and have been changed in the past. but.... canted valves were an issue because they are not mentioned in the rule book - not even once... also , the engines that are under allegation - woah, big word for me! - are actually legal due to the "any modification allowed" statement they have at the top of the engine rules for supersaloons.... Im just gonna say it now - how hard is it to simply say "yes, theyre allowed" or "no you cant have them"? besides the fact that you cannot buy a Ford cleveland v8 that does NOT have canted valves, thats how they are from factory. no modification needed. " Canted valves " as stated A couple of threads ago " still work to be done by Tech Committee ". |
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Post by tr8 on Aug 20, 2014 15:28:04 GMT 12
Really go back and read the rule book
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Post by Yard on Aug 20, 2014 15:40:46 GMT 12
Really go back and read the rule book Only passing on info Do not shoot a Messenger. |
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Post by teamkaos on Aug 21, 2014 13:15:46 GMT 12
In reply to the latemodel deal a NZ super running again a latemodel , with the latemodel running our weight rule and the same engine rule as per the SNZ rule book . The NZ super will be quicker on NZ tracks A lighter, more powerful LM will be slower on a short track than a super? I can give you an idea how quick these things really are on flat short tracks: Belle Clair speedway in Illinois is a flat bull ring slightly shorter than huntly. The LM lap record is an 11.2, only a tenth of a second behind the midget lap record. While I was impressed with how quick our supers are when I saw them at the title this past season, they are yet to reach the speed of a midget. Dont the late models in the states have some sort of rear wheel steering also? isnt that why they are so straight around the corners? |
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Post by knownotmuch on Aug 21, 2014 14:38:35 GMT 12
Yes as do a couple in NZ but did not work well for either of them last season.
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Post by nakifans on Aug 25, 2014 17:32:57 GMT 12
QUOTE FRON SNZ AUG 2014 UPDATE.
Super Saloon Valve Rules Unchanged Plus WARNING
The proposal was to delete rule entirely, with one of the reasons for the suggestion being that it is difficult to confirm compliance with existing rules once an engine has been assembled.
However, the majority of submissions expressed a desire to see existing rules enforced, no matter what the cost of disassembly would be to establish compliance. This has been accepted by the board and the existing rule T 11-1-2 remains in place.
A complicating factor that emerged from the feedback was the issue of valve cant. However, cant is not mentioned in the rules currently, and is therefore not required to be measured or able to be enforced, as other rules state that engine modifications are permitted.
COMPETITORS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT SNZ WILL BE SELECTING ENGINES TO BE TESTED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THIS RULE DURING THE SEASON, AND THE COST OF DISASSEMBLING AND REASSEMBLING THE ENGINE TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WILL BE BORNE BY THE COMPETITOR.
We therefore suggest that competitors who are able to do so take the opportunity to have a technical steward inspect their valve angle and seal their engine before the start of the season. The only cost in this instance is the mileage involved in getting a tech steward to the place of inspection.
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Post by Jamo on Aug 27, 2014 16:43:28 GMT 12
Am I reading this right?
COMPETITORS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT SNZ WILL BE SELECTING ENGINES TO BE TESTED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THIS RULE DURING THE SEASON, AND THE COST OF DISASSEMBLING AND REASSEMBLING THE ENGINE TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WILL BE BORNE BY THE COMPETITOR.
SNZ can decide themselves who they want to check and the people they select need to pay for the privledge?? How is this fair??
I can see it being fair and reasonable if they include it as part of the requirement of the engine sealing process prior to engines being sealed but if they choose competitors who have eithere already done their engines for this season (we are in late August after all!) or who are not stipping their engines down this season or next season how is this new rule their problem?? Why should they have to pay just because SNZ have picked them? Surely a timed roll out for this would have made more sense so that as engines are sealed say from Sept 1st this needs to be done as part of the process?? Costs no more than normal then for competitors?
Hopefully I am reading it wrong and this isn't the case or I would expect a few upset car owners!
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Post by tony27 on Aug 27, 2014 17:06:41 GMT 12
Does seem a bit harsh to say we're doing a spot check on your motor & whether it's found to be legal or not you will be footing the bill, especially now that the engine protesting rules require the protester to put up the money for an engine check before anything happens
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Post by insane1 on Sept 13, 2014 14:57:05 GMT 12
ok people how can snz demand competitors pay to have their engine checked ,how legal is that some super drivers will just tell snz to piss of and see you in court.
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Post by az on Sept 15, 2014 19:54:37 GMT 12
ok people how can snz demand competitors pay to have their engine checked ,how legal is that some super drivers will just tell snz to piss of and see you in court. LIKE! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 21:36:51 GMT 12
ok people how can snz demand competitors pay to have their engine checked ,how legal is that some super drivers will just tell snz to piss of and see you in court. LIKE! must be the only type of motorsport in the world where that idea could be considered by the governing body! |
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