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Post by John W. on May 9, 2018 21:21:00 GMT 12
just looking mildly at figures... 12 meetings, 150k lease fee, 12.500 dollars required out of every meeting to cover this( not including meeting costs) reckons he sold 100,000 tickets, over 12 meetings is average 8,300 people per meeting required... but I was there one night for a yank racer the place had a good crowd but I doubt it was any where near 8300 people... he talks about stake holders as a group..I reckon he sneaky putting museum tickets and speedway tickets in a lump..does the mud hole really pull over 8000 ppl a night? I doubt it very much show me real figures, but guessing an average ticket price between adults and kids of say 18 bucks thats still 8300 x 18 thats 149000...with a fee of only 150k a season and meeting costs Id be fighting till the death to keep my gold mine producing too...But does the sport of speedway win... who's really winning.. with only 12 meetings a season...  ? wow - cap in hand mate - wacky backy could only dream of eight hundred thru the gate let alone eighty three hundred and you conveniently forgot to mention that wacky backy is a sh*t hole and always will be with out tha jafa council pouring millions into it, which they ain't gonna do - dellusional at best.......... Such hatred of another speedway track. What has brought out such negative thoughts? Are you such a vile person in real life or just do it here where you can hide behind anonymity? Why not focus on the positives of the Springs rather than slinging mud (excuse the pun). If everyone just kept saying negative things about every other track we may all loose out and not have a track in Auckland at all...We need to make Speedway look like a large, popular united sport. Not some fractured relic. Try and highlight the positives in this thread. |
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Post by midway on May 9, 2018 21:33:11 GMT 12
So I guess the budget wont stretch to this then? where were you when they ran the super nationals at Waikaraka Park ,it was a annual event till some one in there wisdom thought other wise ... |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 21:36:51 GMT 12
Not under a roof they didnt..lol
I dont find WP too bad.. toilet blocks need to be up dated, suffers from a very grey industrial neighborhood...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 22:10:46 GMT 12
wow - cap in hand mate - wacky backy could only dream of eight hundred thru the gate let alone eighty three hundred and you conveniently forgot to mention that wacky backy is a sh*t hole and always will be with out tha jafa council pouring millions into it, which they ain't gonna do - dellusional at best.......... Such hatred of another speedway track. What has brought out such negative thoughts? Are you such a vile person in real life or just do it here where you can hide behind anonymity? Why not focus on the positives of the Springs rather than slinging mud (excuse the pun). If everyone just kept saying negative things about every other track we may all loose out and not have a track in Auckland at all...We need to make Speedway look like a large, popular united sport. Not some fractured relic. Try and highlight the positives in this thread. Ha ha ha I dont know if your referring to standmans post or mine..but I got to say you sound like someones grand ma... "If everyone just kept saying negative things about every other track we may all loose out and not have a track in Auckland at all..." Mate thats just a bit alarmist! and oh so ---! A couple of opinions expressed wont shut down speedway in Akl..and you got to remember its "Springs" supporters your talking to..its bound to get one eyed and bitter quickly enough..lol... |
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Post by hmac on May 9, 2018 22:57:11 GMT 12
Reckon the whole tone this thread is taking pretty much highlights why the amalgamation of the two Auckland speedway enetities would never work satisfactorly....if that's even a word lol. Two differents sets of fans who like like different elements of a similar sport. And it aint just Springs fans who are being negative toward WP. Lot of inverted snobbery goin back the other way as well. Mostly a fan thing i think, cause there's plenty of crossover, competitors,friendships, crews etc, that frequent both at differents times, and can enjoy both. But they are seperate sports almost, Bit like rugby and League etc.
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Post by midway on May 9, 2018 23:43:18 GMT 12
To strike a happy median between both parties in this proposal would be near impossible as one has growth while the other swings in the balance ,..the hard cold facts are on paper ,and if there was a chance of amalgamation i think the AssCc would only be a club with very little in put to the actual running of the venue .this isnt to say the Springs would be the major stake holder either ...
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Post by epmurc on May 10, 2018 8:38:07 GMT 12
Ok, I'll stick my head over the parapet and invite a few snipers..................
To those of you who regularly come on here and use less than complimentary terms to describe Waikaraka Park, just what parts of the park exactly are you referring to?
The track - Can't be that, biggest SNZ track around the pole line in the country
Track surface - Not that either. Arguably the best in NZ and as a racer who's been all around the country, I'm qualified to comment
Safety fence - Meets SNZ standards
Wall - Yes, has been average in past years but it took some fearsome punishment this season and stood up well
Food - Better and cheaper than the Easter Show or your local picture theater
Lighting - Well if the council hadn't paid millions to upgrade the lights at Western Springs, they wouldn't be any better than WP
Pits - Limited room. Not like a regional track like Rotorua or Stratford where you're surrounded by paddocks, but at least you don't have to drop all your gear and park your tow wagon and trailer outside the stadium
Spectator viewing - Again, used to have arguably the best viewpoint in NZ. Not much you can do when it's suddenly closed down and I can't think of any generous individual who would pay to have it removed and replaced, no matter how much money they had.
[Sits back and waits for bullets to fly]
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Post by hienekenno1 on May 10, 2018 9:14:09 GMT 12
Ok, I'll stick my head over the parapet and invite a few snipers.................. To those of you who regularly come on here and use less than complimentary terms to describe Waikaraka Park, just what parts of the park exactly are you referring to? The track - Can't be that, biggest SNZ track around the pole line in the country Track surface - Not that either. Arguably the best in NZ and as a racer who's been all around the country, I'm qualified to comment Safety fence - Meets SNZ standards Wall - Yes, has been average in past years but it took some fearsome punishment this season and stood up well Food - Better and cheaper than the Easter Show or your local picture theater Lighting - Well if the council hadn't paid millions to upgrade the lights at Western Springs, they wouldn't be any better than WP Pits - Limited room. Not like a regional track like Rotorua or Stratford where you're surrounded by paddocks, but at least you don't have to drop all your gear and park your tow wagon and trailer outside the stadium Spectator viewing - Again, used to have arguably the best viewpoint in NZ. Not much you can do when it's suddenly closed down and I can't think of any generous individual who would pay to have it removed and replaced, no matter how much money they had. [Sits back and waits for bullets to fly] Yes all good points,the easy answer to it all if your not happy with a track just don't go to it but ill be back at Waikaraka next year and looking forward to the nz mod champs and teams nationals. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 10:15:12 GMT 12
To those of you who regularly come on here and use less than complimentary terms to describe Waikaraka Park, just what parts of the park exactly are you referring to? They are not slagging the tracks amenities. They are referring to what they perceive as its vastly inferior location. Incredibly, in the Greg Mosen Newtalk ZB thread, the interviewer bizarrely questioned whether the cricketing 'elites' were trying to push out the WS 'bogans'. The reality is WS is the most elitist speedway outfit in the NZ. To them going from WS to WP is like going from paradise to the abyss. |
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Post by midway on May 10, 2018 12:57:24 GMT 12
All good valid points Epmurc,
But where has the entertainment factor it once had gone to ..
Classes that used to race there have vanished ,sidecars ,bikes ,
And how many times do you have to tag supers on to the back of saloons to make up the numbers ..
Even your own class struggles for the same ,and is a dismal show come feature time
Crowd attendances are well down from previous years
And remember the Asscc is a club that has a long history in the sport ,has cheap rent compared to others in the countries biggest city ,and yet it struggles in administration to make ends meet ,more times a loss ..
If it wasnt for some volunteers years ago free of charge i guess the ducks would be swimming still on the infield ,i think the works committee has since lost interest ...
The club on its financial balance at the AGM showed a turnover of over 900k for the season a few years back ,so what has changed ..
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Post by epmurc on May 10, 2018 13:49:29 GMT 12
All good valid points Epmurc, But where has the entertainment factor it once had gone to .. Classes that used to race there have vanished ,sidecars ,bikes , And how many times do you have to tag supers on to the back of saloons to make up the numbers .. Even your own class struggles for the same ,and is a dismal show come feature time Crowd attendances are well down from previous years And remember the Asscc is a club that has a long history in the sport ,has cheap rent compared to others in the countries biggest city ,and yet it struggles in administration to make ends meet ,more times a loss .. If it wasnt for some volunteers years ago free of charge i guess the ducks would be swimming still on the infield ,i think the works committee has since lost interest ... The club on its financial balance at the AGM showed a turnover of over 900k for the season a few years back ,so what has changed .. Don't believe I've got an argument to make against any of your points, but the essence of my post was not concerned with the current operation. As far as I can tell the detractors are aiming their derogatory comments at the venue itself and their desire to NOT have the Western Springs classes racing at Waikaraka Park. The adjective "dump" and the other ones filled with asterixs seem to refer to the environment as a whole. Those individuals would never go along to see the incumbent classes racing there so they can't be talking about that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:39:00 GMT 12
Its not WP supporters not wanting Springs classes running at WP, its the snobby bastards wont come and race there...didnt one of their divisions even swear not to run at WP...or was that the whole club?? yet theyre happy to pinch supersaloons....its all good fun, a bit of banter..
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Post by orapiuwharf on May 10, 2018 18:17:29 GMT 12
Waikaraka is great except for the super skinny person size seats. Useless facilities great track. Everything else is really good and getting better. A bit like going to movie theater that has been closed for 20 years and is leaking and falling down. But you are watching a great movie and the popcorn is great.
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Post by hienekenno1 on May 11, 2018 10:35:42 GMT 12
Bruce Robertson said on the radio last night the Waikaraka development will be going ahead in 12 to 18 months time,sounds like it just needs to be confirmed on may 31st.
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Post by spdwayorthehway on May 11, 2018 11:01:47 GMT 12
Why do the two clubs have to even merge, The track is allocated for 35 meetings, Surely that's enough for both clubs to run their meetings as separate entities and if not apply for more.
The 102 thousand through the gate, does that include children in on a family pass and paying pit crew? I'm sure it does.
As far as Auckland is concerned population wise I don't think a figure of 102 thousand is something to be proud of.
As for negativity, why must it get swept under the carpet, the paying public still know the negatives and eventually vote with their wallet.
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Post by craigmcl on May 11, 2018 15:04:23 GMT 12
Why do the two clubs have to even merge, The track is allocated for 35 meetings, Surely that's enough for both clubs to run their meetings as separate entities and if not apply for more. The 102 thousand through the gate, does that include children in on a family pass and paying pit crew? I'm sure it does. As far as Auckland is concerned population wise I don't think a figure of 102 thousand is something to be proud of. As for negativity, why must it get swept under the carpet, the paying public still know the negatives and eventually vote with their wallet. This is a stretched analogy but your suggestion is a bit like MacDonalds and Burger King sharing the same outlet. The club run facility ie WP puts the profit back into the facility and members, the SPL pocket theirs. You would face all sorts of issues with the facility costs i.e power water upkeep etc and it could be a messy situation with rain outs etc. There is a solution no doubt time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 17:33:15 GMT 12
Bruce Robertson said on the radio last night the Waikaraka development will be going ahead in 12 to 18 months time,sounds like it just needs to be confirmed on may 31st. Gday, what development is he referring to..is there something to read on this matter..got a link? |
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Post by hienekenno1 on May 11, 2018 18:08:54 GMT 12
Go to the Access manawatu radio website and go to the latest doing it in the dirt show which is last night.
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Post by orapiuwharf on May 11, 2018 18:25:52 GMT 12
Thanks hienekenno1 there is nearly an hour to listen to. Do you know roughly what minutes he started talking about waikaraka?
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Post by hienekenno1 on May 11, 2018 20:14:36 GMT 12
Bruce is the first interview but the the whole show is pretty cool.
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