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Post by midway on May 12, 2018 15:00:09 GMT 12
Short and brief ,however Bruce feels confident plans will emerge for a world class venue in 12 to 18 months time
but of course anything can happen in that time frame as the council needs the funding to build such a complex .
Realistically the Springs will be given a stay of execution to more final details come forward in regards to building such a venue as Bruce clearly admits Waikaraka park is a struggle in its present condition ....
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 16:27:03 GMT 12
being realistic with all the issues surrounding Auckland housing, roading and transport. council wanting spend $70million of tax payers money, where speedway not major issue at this time. no guarantee what your hearing in the media is factual. of course going want western springs speedway out, only way enough money going be spent do up waikaraka park. obvious your going to hear it's done deal. at the end of the day council who will decide on that. until 31st may comes around it's all useless gossip going around the place.
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Post by midway on May 12, 2018 19:00:08 GMT 12
Useless gossip it maybe,it all adds to a great story , Wait till the 31st then the vote will tell you ,  Due to the increase in planning cost etc , We have decided to shelve all plans at present to a future date , Many times that has been the answer especially with councils after a few months of wasting ratepayers money .. |
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Post by number1gopher on May 14, 2018 9:48:03 GMT 12
who gets to stand down for a season while all this is being done anyway. this is question i am asking
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Post by petrolfumes on May 14, 2018 16:23:34 GMT 12
who gets to stand down for a season while all this is being done anyway. this is question i am asking No Need AS waikaraka is in an industrial zone construction can go on well into the night : |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 16:47:26 GMT 12
who gets to stand down for a season while all this is being done anyway. this is question i am asking No Need AS waikaraka is in an industrial zone construction can go on well into the night : why do they have time and noise restrictions then? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:41:08 GMT 12
No Need AS waikaraka is in an industrial zone construction can go on well into the night : why do they have time and noise restrictions then? According the Auckland Council construction noise for commercial and industrial regulations are: - Permitted at any time, depending on what's nearby. - Not permitted at night near residential activities, hospitals, hotels, hostels, accommodation, and other noise sensitive activities. - May also depend on resource consent conditions or permits. No doubt WP speedway has its own noise regulations as part of its consent as well. As a matter of interest here is a link to some Western Springs noise monitoring results (click + 25 February 2017). Max 87 dB. |
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Post by Ned on May 14, 2018 17:50:04 GMT 12
Interesting that WS is the only venue on the website. You would think that major construction projects, WP etc should all be there also if it is for an objective service. As an earlier poster alluded to, it seems that the only real driver here is noise and complaints from recent residents, the rest of the circus proposed is just trying to find reasons to justify what they want to do to resolve the noise issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 18:14:45 GMT 12
who gets to stand down for a season while all this is being done anyway. this is question i am asking Logic and reasonableness would say Auckland Council will extend WS lease until an alternative speedway faculty is sorted however the outcome may be more akin to a lolly scramble. |
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Post by midway on May 14, 2018 20:33:13 GMT 12
The hours for racing were from 7 till 10.30 ,but the club see,s fit at times to stretch the limit on the odd night
A copy of the lease agreement clearly define,s all that is needed to know over many things in relation to the activity that is run by the asscc at Waikaraka park from the council ..
The zoning has in recent years been challenged by the residents in surrounding streets and many heavy industrial ,industries have seen the light closed down ,and shifted camp to Wiri ,and Penrose .Although they set a limit no further than capt,Springs road .
Night time loading at Port Onehunga also was a hot topic ,and a restriction of time was imposed ..
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Post by number1gopher on May 15, 2018 11:10:33 GMT 12
they are talking a 18 month time scale for this rebuilding schedule
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Post by twincarb on May 19, 2018 11:22:31 GMT 12
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Post by woodart on May 19, 2018 14:55:23 GMT 12
whatever happens with speedway in auckland can be influenced in a large and meaningful way ,if speedway itself gets over the stupid intertrack bickering . outsiders will not take the sport seriously if the sport cant provide a united front. as an out of auckland (whew!!) casual spectator at both tracks, ,,,get over your ego's. history, yes, history is important, but not at the expensive of the future. would far rather go to covered forsyth-barr than carisbrooke.
if the sport can show a united front and be officially recognized as one of the major sports, and be supplied with a facility in accordance with that, in our largest city, that alone is huge, and can be leveraged all over the country. in an ideal world we would have a roof over a downtown speedway with free admission ,but that aint gonna happen, so if the council wants to pony up dosh and allow multiple events per year(that alone is worth big dosh, you sell off nights to other activities), dont wallow in the past.
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Post by orapiuwharf on May 19, 2018 18:25:36 GMT 12
Has the demolition of the stand at Waikaraka been completed yet? Or even started yet?
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Post by petrolfumes on May 20, 2018 21:40:28 GMT 12
Has the demolition of the stand at Waikaraka been completed yet? Or even started yet? NO No plans finalised If I'm Correct |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 12:38:39 GMT 12
Has the demolition of the stand at Waikaraka been completed yet? Or even started yet?  I assume the $400K mentioned above to 'demolish the old grandstand' means complete demolition as defined in 'Option Four' of this 30/11/2015 Auckland Council Confidential Memo to the Tamaki Local Board (note pages 1 & 2 are in the reverse order). Not sure if they have looked into this or not but perhaps the ASSCC could get more involved themselves and consider 'Option Three', namely by taking control/tendering for demolishing the earth quake prone upper concrete structure (1,000 seats approx) and stairs built by the Yanks in '40's, but leaving the lower tier/level with its 1440 seating capacity, and which according to Holmes Consulting requires only relatively minor structural upgrading. This would allow the club enough interim seating for current events until the complete rebuild option is resolved. No temporary seating required (cost 50K pa?). |
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Post by epmurc on May 21, 2018 15:26:31 GMT 12
A few points to note, some factual, some just my own personal opinion...........
The Grandstand was not built by the American forces during WWII, it was in fact a Depression era project during the 1930's. This is a documented fact and reflects the true amount of research (or should I say "lack of") the council has put into this project. It also puts to rest the urban myth that is was built as a "rush job" and that "sea sand" was used in the concrete, thus accelerating the deterioration of the steel reinforcing.
Opinion - I wouldn't be at all surprised that when (or if) the demolition finally gets underway, they find the structure is a darn sight stronger than they thought it was and the deterioration that has been used as evidence of it's un-soundness is in fact just cosmetic.
Opinion - Having sat in both the lower level of the grandstand and the temporary seats now sited in front of it, the view from the temp seats is far superior and the money spent on a partial demolition would be better used in extending the seating as closely as allowed towards Cemetary Bend.
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Post by midway on May 22, 2018 9:00:30 GMT 12
Are you not governed by the NZED transmission lines dept as to the seating or grandstand around or close by cemetery bend ? that is why the existing grandstands were pulled down in the first place as to the safety aspect ..
There is certainly some grey clouds in that report as to the reserves board findings ,and any future development proposed ..
Mr Nisbet just may find it hard convincing the reserves board a change in attitude ,as it is the historical trust has a vested interest in the surrounding area ..
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Post by epmurc on May 22, 2018 10:25:09 GMT 12
Are you not governed by the NZED transmission lines dept as to the seating or grandstand around or close by cemetery bend ? that is why the existing grandstands were pulled down in the first place as to the safety aspect .. There is certainly some grey clouds in that report as to the reserves board findings ,and any future development proposed .. Mr Nisbet just may find it hard convincing the reserves board a change in attitude ,as it is the historical trust has a vested interest in the surrounding area .. Hence my qualification "as closely as allowed". There's still some space between where the seats finish now and the lap scorer's box, which is a steel container and therefore must be outside the "no go" area for the lines. As for historic qualification, I'd expect the grandstand would meet that criteria but we've seen with plenty of instances in Auckland in the past where that can be conveniently over-ruled and a building demolished , just like a Taniwha can be placated with sufficient amounts of tax payer money. The other historic item is the stone wall. The wall along the Neilson St road frontage doesn't qualify as it's been dismantled and re-built more than once, but the length that runs down the side behind the pits and grandstand is "original" Personally I can't really see the historical value but someone with too much time on their hands and a vested interest in things that really aren't any of their business will be sure to kick up a stink if it was touched. |
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Post by TimSOZ on May 22, 2018 16:12:41 GMT 12
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