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Post by pallmall on Jan 21, 2009 23:17:46 GMT 12
Yes have been to Bay Park, Rotorua, and Huntly and seen Stockcar racing. Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. I agree if the show is good then the kids can have a lesser presence, however if the show is lacking Pallmall then sometimes the kids can help you scrape through, if you know what I mean....? I do know what you mean, and the kids are fantastic to watch, some real no fear racing going on. But, why are some promotions using, in particular, youth ministocks constantly as a bandage to hold together meetings that were never ever going to fly in the first place? If you know what I mean......? |
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Post by Aaron Drever on Jan 21, 2009 23:18:10 GMT 12
Typical you are fussy, one would have thought that an Invitation to leave such a desirable place like Wellington and head north to the real city that keeps this country going one might have jumped at..... It will take a few days to register one might sugest
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Post by Aaron Drever on Jan 21, 2009 23:24:02 GMT 12
Yes have been to Bay Park, Rotorua, and Huntly and seen Stockcar racing. Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. I agree if the show is good then the kids can have a lesser presence, however if the show is lacking Pallmall then sometimes the kids can help you scrape through, if you know what I mean....? I do know what you mean, and the kids are fantastic to watch, some real no fear racing going on. But, why are some promotions using, in particular, youth ministocks constantly as a bandage to hold together meetings that were never ever going to fly in the first place? If you know what I mean......? two things here pall mall 1 Are there too many speedways now-a-days? 2 Do we need to see tracks that are not performing in terms of facilities etc become division two tracks club orientated? Look at Western Springs they run the best midgets, tqs, and sprinters week in and week out..... why they dont have any competition, the drivers want to race there and they get good crowds cause the public know they are going to see the best of the best Waikaraka - same city different classes, dont get good feilds, dont get good crowds cause the classes they run are not supported by the drivers, the crowd don't know whats running so they dont turn up |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 22, 2009 0:42:29 GMT 12
Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL You must live on the same planet as Abrahams Drevers ...you are both mentally unstable |
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Post by builder on Jan 22, 2009 1:15:43 GMT 12
hey and please remember that the youth don't get any appearance money or grid start or any type of pay outs like any other classes my son races and is always looking for bigger sponsorship and works after school jobs to pay for his addiction of this sport. the youth look upto stockcar and superstock drivers but most not all of these drivers couldn't give the time of day to sit with them and give a few good pointers on driving lines setups Honestly how many of you drivers have helped the up and coming drivers of speedway  from what i have seen its stockcar or superstock drivers that have come from the ministock ranks . and maybe you guys and girls should watch more often as there lap times are showing you lot up lol with there massive 86 horsepower |
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Post by mintie on Jan 22, 2009 4:42:57 GMT 12
Every year this pops up and every year it gets a bit emotional.
Youth minstocks are the breeding ground for our sport, they have some bonus' at a big meeting.
They grid up quickly and their events can be changed and even taken off the program on time issues if they have to be.
Ministocks are probably on of the hardest speedway classes to drive, no powr steer, under powered and driven on the limits by young kids learning a craft.
Sometimes at a big meeting you have this class to inspire the drivers to go to the next class of racing, perhaps this is why at tennis junior players are ball kids, to get a taste of the big time and keep them involved.
Many write and say they don't like them at big meetings, great we know the thoughts you have, i think we just need to get over it, because it isn't going to change, no matter how you hope it might.
If we are not going to expose kids to big meetings and big crowds, lets then get rid of minstocks, kids quarters, junior carting, junior motorcross in fact any junior motor sport at any meeting of size, make then run at their own meetings and double the costs for tracks to run extra meetings and add costs to the families of drivers for extra meetings. and most of all tell the kids by these actions that they are not wanted at bigger meetings. that is really future proofing our sport.
Every class is deserving of our respect because no matter what class it is the drivers are out their doing it, we are just the watchers and yes the paying public and therefore as paying public we can choose what we want to go and see. Those drivers commit time, money and effort to being their at a track and they in turn bring people who like that class through the gate to give clubs money to run the meetings.
To be honest I just get sick of a few who continually bag the kids and their appearances at meetings. It is shortsighted, non focussed and shows a lack of understanding towards our sport and the track promotors who juggle a program at every meeting in a quest to satisfy not only the paying public but the paying competitors and time.
and as an additon to this post some tracks do over use them when they lack numbers in other classes to complete a program
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2009 5:04:16 GMT 12
I know there going to be mixed opinions but Did you have trainers on ya bike before stepping up to a big boy bike? ? Did he ride his bike with trainer wheels in the Tour de France or did he practice when nobody was watching before making the step up to the big stage? And that's it in a nutshell, combined with Macgor's comment on how often such classes are put in front of us. Nobody denies the importance of classes such as Ministocks, or that they should get to race regularly, the discussion is only ever centered around whether they should be a part of $20, $25 and $30 so called "premier" nights. Are they a premier class? No. Are they premier drivers of the future? For sure, with the emphasis on the word "future". They are our drivers of the future, and there are plenty of race nights for them throughout the season already. I think some promotions just use them as a cheap filler, to save paying another attraction to attend....... But as Mintie points out above, there are some very good reasons for running them at major shows too. So I guess it's all about balance. Don't have two groups of them if you're going to schedule them at a major show, and don't have another feeder class on the same program. Remember, it's only the big dollar meetings I'm referring to here, not a normal Saturday night show. Hasn't this thread turned out to be yet another Ramjam/Drevz love fest? |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2009 5:24:28 GMT 12
Look at Western Springs they run the best midgets, tqs, and sprinters week in and week out..... why they dont have any competition, the drivers want to race there and they get good crowds cause the public know they are going to see the best of the best Waikaraka - same city different classes, dont get good feilds, dont get good crowds cause the classes they run are not supported by the drivers, the crowd don't know whats running so they dont turn up It's not because Waikaraka run classes the drivers don't support Aaron, neighbouring tracks certainly seem to attract them in abundance....as you said with your Springs comment, the drivers want to race there. I guess that's the secret, when the drivers are happy the racing is better and the fans come along too. WS has it, WP don't. |
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Post by nogrip-31gm on Jan 22, 2009 5:57:56 GMT 12
have you actually sat in amongst the crowd during a ministock race?
i have,and youll notice that most of the kids in the crowd know someone in a car,and cheer them on,the parents,brothers,sisters and grandparents are all there supporting...proudly...
so why cant you guys??
does your parents,grandparents,brothers,sisters etc turn up and give maximum support at every meeting??i doubt it..so in a way the ministocks do drag bums to seats,sure theyr not the most exciting to watch,but nor are superstocks most of the the time..both classes chase the flag with minimal contact.
ive met a dozen young ministock drivers that are keen to step up to std stocks,they just need the $$$...
why start a pointless topic like this?
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Post by Wiseowl on Jan 22, 2009 6:34:00 GMT 12
Yes have been to Bay Park, Rotorua, and Huntly and seen Stockcar racing. Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. I agree if the show is good then the kids can have a lesser presence, however if the show is lacking Pallmall then sometimes the kids can help you scrape through, if you know what I mean....? This Topic is LONG IN THE TOOTH..Been all said before. Some of you are obviously bored !! Aaron I would have to dispute you on your comment Without doubt the Stockcar Class is the number one class in NZ....Have a look at this weekends NZ Champ Entry Numbers. ............but even more so are the Ministock Class.... Going by which class keeps the speedway country running via creating new drivers & licence fees I was one who stuck my neck out and said they didn't need another class in PN when MiniSprints were introduced....I laid out clearly why & believe all my predictions have proved to be correct................ I still stand by that.... Take a look at the Minisprint NZ Champs recently... How many entrys were there...and going by the lack of posts at the time...even this Disscusion Board was uninterested too !! The thinning out of drivers over too many classes is ruining the fields of ALL CLASSES This country needs .......... less tracks.. less classes and more ACTION !!! Period Cheers Wiseowl |
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Post by King James on Jan 22, 2009 7:04:19 GMT 12
Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Im with you Marty, it is pretty laughable Stockcars always have and always will be the premier class in NZ.. Case closed A majority of the Speedway public will not spend there hard earned cash over a summer to follow Sprintcars around or minisprints for that matter! Anyway, im not here to debate the best class...There is always support for the younger generations, just because people might not enjoy the smaller classes ie ministocks, dosent mean they dont get support. I personally support alot of people in the ministock ranks and enjoy watching them race. Ministocks do have big fields too and that is great for the sport. 75% of these drivers atleast.. move up the ranks to Superstocks, Stockcars, Sprintcars, Minisprints, Midgets, TQ's... hells even Streetstocks... Some of these kids are stars of today and have taken major titles, teams race etc I will always support any form of the sport and there young drivers.. Good on the parents and kids for getting involved. Also a special mention for the girls too, if it wasnt for ministocks, Speedway would not have the huge numbers of the female variety giving speedway a go. |
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Post by lustee on Jan 22, 2009 7:26:20 GMT 12
I believe ministocks are vital at keeping this sport going but do also believe that adult ministocks are past their use by date..as for minisprints well Im not a fan more so of certain drivers who feel they are actually racing sprintcars but also feel that like wiseowl they didnt need another class in palmy ...
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Post by 41ford on Jan 22, 2009 7:27:53 GMT 12
Its Good to see the support out there for them!!!
The youth will only ever stick around in speedway if the support is there. Stratford is a Good example of supporting our youth of today. Many have come thorugh to stockcars and even Saloons!!
All I asked was Show some support on here rather than bag them that they can not race at a big meeting.
Dam I would get a buzz racing a ministock at a big meeting with a huge crowd. It would make ya want to return. wouldn't having the atmosphere around you like that give you that thrill!!!
Its a good thread I say as Our youngs ones can come on here and see the support out there.
Cheers for Sharing Speedway Fans
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Post by lustee on Jan 22, 2009 7:28:52 GMT 12
Also dont forget Ben Finemore who jumped out of a ministock then went onto to win nz sprintcar title the next year youngest guy to ever do it
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Post by 41ford on Jan 22, 2009 7:38:58 GMT 12
Also dont forget Ben Finemore who jumped out of a ministock then went onto to win nz sprintcar title the next year youngest guy to ever do it Prime Example Lustee!!!! |
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Post by azza007 on Jan 22, 2009 7:46:17 GMT 12
head north to the real city that keeps this country going Ha ha ha ha. God I love Aucklanders ;D |
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Post by 41ford on Jan 22, 2009 8:01:53 GMT 12
head north to the real city that keeps this country going Ha ha ha ha. God I love Aucklanders ;D Makes ya laugh Dont it?? Which town was voted best city in NZ and in the world for population. Oh that's right the good old NAKI lol Just for Laugh's |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2009 8:04:31 GMT 12
Ben is a great example of an achiever, yes, but that is NOT the argument most here are having with the class. When they're paying top dollar for a feature meeting I suspect they're expecting to be entertained by the likes of Finemore is his Sprintcar, not Finemore in his Ministock. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Support classes have always been up for discussion, and even more so this year it seems as the discretionary dollar shrinks.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2009 8:19:53 GMT 12
The title is " Where's the support for our future drivers"
Not primo meets and what to run.
Our club totally supports the ministocks.
The kids are a joy to work with, grid up quickly and take pride in their cars.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2009 8:23:00 GMT 12
Although I agree with the sentiments that at big meets maybe a select group could race at said meet.
Therefore the racing might be of more interest to the few that are knocking them at the moment.
Or is it they race both youth and adult?
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from what i have seen its stockcar or superstock drivers that have come from the ministock ranks .
