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Post by King James on Jan 22, 2009 8:26:57 GMT 12
The title is " Where's the support for our future drivers" Not primo meets and what to run. Our club totally supports the ministocks. The kids are a joy to work with, grid up quickly and take pride in their cars. I agree Jon... Being a past Gisborne worker and supporter... Ministocks were the best thing to happen to that club in awhile... Before that the youth had nothing, now since the inception of minstocks in Gisborne there has been a boost in numbers and others that have moved onto other classes from there! Gisborne also surely must have had the most female ministock competitors to run through any club, or be up there atleast... Reece Lister was or is pivotal to the training of these young drivers and Gisbornes has had the cleanest most honest ministock racing I have ever witnessed! |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2009 8:59:55 GMT 12
Although I agree with the sentiments that at big meets maybe a select group could race at said meet. Therefore the racing might be of more interest to the few that are knocking them at the moment. Or is it they race both youth and adult? Stratford at last year's NZ Stockcar Championship had an invited field racing on the second night, with a few of the stars of the class from all over the NI present. That certainly generated quite a bit of interest, considering the fans came from all over the place too. Most people present probalby knew at least a few of the cars/drivers racing........ |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 22, 2009 10:22:32 GMT 12
Sprintcars are the number one class in New Zealand and everything is ranked down from there. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL You must live on the same planet as Abrahams Drevers ...you are both mentally unstable Haha, I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to bite at that one ;D ;D |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 22, 2009 10:28:55 GMT 12
Typical you are fussy, one would have thought that an Invitation to leave such a desirable place like Wellington and head north to the real city that keeps this country going... Christchurch is to the south, not north!! ;D ;D |
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Post by Colin E on Jan 22, 2009 10:35:45 GMT 12
I believe there is a lot of support for these classes, just because you get a few people bagging them on here does not mean there is no support.
I never used to be a Ministock or Minisprint fan until I actually new people who raced them. I tend to show more interest now even though the people I know no longer race them.
I agree with the point though of on big meetings it would be better especially in Ministocks to have an Invitation field or something. At the 240's they had 2 groups, 1 was for the more experienced drivers and the racing was quite good, but the group of so called novice or new drivers were not so good. I know everyone has to start somewhere and learn but there was one Ministock that was barely circulating and probaly was lapped 3 times in one race. Good on them for trying.
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 22, 2009 10:58:10 GMT 12
Ha ha ha ha. God I love Aucklanders ;D Makes ya laugh Dont it?? Which town was voted best city in NZ and in the world for population. Oh that's right the good old NAKI lol Just for Laugh's Now thats a Tui shirt for sure... hahahaha |
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Post by Stumo on Jan 22, 2009 11:20:22 GMT 12
I personally am looking foward to Ministocks in Paradise. An awesome meeting with only Youth Ministocks, primo as fast racing and entertaining to watch. I enjoyed the few races mates let me have in their cars and now I'm too old for Youths I enjoy crewing for my mates and supporting them racing around the country.
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Post by Shells on Jan 22, 2009 14:27:33 GMT 12
I dont think it is that people are bagging the younger ones in general I think it comes down to peoples personal preferences, I must admit when ministocks first came in I thought they were boring & then someone said to me wait till your son wants to race one then you will enjoy them. Well my son didn't race 1 but I did get to know some of the drivers and then it did become interesting! I also enjoy watching minisprints but hardly get to see them down here & it seems since youth ministocks came along we are getting a lot of talented young drivers moving up into other classes as they become too old for this class, or is it that they would have always been talented anyway??
What I have noticed though in the youth ministocks is man can some of the parents get carried away, which is a shame as it spoils it for the young driver.
I also think the under 23's at Stratford for stockcars is an awesome innovative idea too.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2009 15:23:09 GMT 12
Barry B has picked up on my idea, which we both agree, Stratford had an invited list to drive at their meet and was found to be entertained.
Last son has just started and is one of those that gets lapped 2 or 3 times in 10 laps, but he is improving each meet.
Target is to improve by a second a lap, each meet.
He now does 25 seconds as his fastest lap.
We are off to MIP, but not him.
Why, because he has 4 more years to do it.
Others are taking their 1st year drivers though.
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Post by 41ford on Jan 22, 2009 17:06:38 GMT 12
I do agree somewhat with invited classes for the big meets.
I would be a bit annyoed at seeing two ministock classes at the teams champs etc. One is fine.
I didn't intend to start this thread on what should be at meetings but Just to show some online support for our up and comers.
the day you lose your youth the day you DIE
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Post by supastocknut on Jan 22, 2009 17:09:40 GMT 12
I don't believe there is a lack of support for the youths and admit to enjoying the odd race when they are aloud to actually race and for me that's the key, let them race!! i get pissed off with this class when we have to endure 5-6 red lights per race due to cars spinning out....crazy, this is not there fault but stewards that call for the red light far to soon that ruins it!!
although i admit this is improving and lights are not coming on as much now but at one stage it was pathetic. I understand it is done for safety reasons but if we are so worried about them being injured should they be out there???
Yes.......... ministocks are good for the sport.
Yes........... this class has it's place.
But i agree with Barry B big dollar meets should only have the one class not 2 that equal 6 races over the night, for me and others i attend with it is too much.
if i pay $12 to go to a regular meeting i expect to see these guys and have no issue with them even if there is two groups but at a meeting paying $25+ dollars, no, one group is enough.
Again it's that word promotion that is all important.
It is a bit like promotions of big meetings having the historical stockcars as a novelty, problem is they are popping up everywhere at big meets and they get old real quick due to them being over exposed. A bit off topic i know but maybe the issue with some fans with ministocks is not so much the kids or the way they race but the way they are being promoted to the crowds and the handing of their racing that is causing some issues!!
Food for thought ;D
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Post by builder on Jan 22, 2009 23:31:10 GMT 12
hey on a lighter note it's great to see that nelson speedway has a 2 day invasion for the youth ministocks running at the same time as nz midget champs
now theres high profile for you
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Post by Ngahihi o te ra on Jan 23, 2009 0:01:24 GMT 12
Kia ora,
Nice thread
Firstly these particular youth are already awesome in my eyes as they have chosen to do their racing on a track, rather then up and down our streets at all kinds of hours. We hear so much about boy racers etc and then have the cheek to bag the ones doing the right thing!
Secondly the ministiocks in Paradise meeting is always huge and is an indicator of how popular the sport is when matched like with like.
Thirdly, when it comes to ministocks being support classes at major events then it helps us appreciate how much faster etc the superstocks or sprintcars are racing. It is called contrast and is definitely not comparing like with like.
Finally, to those promoters not looking after the youth ministocks for whatever reason - shame on you - they deserve better. They are not the leaders of tomorrow. When you compare like with like - youth with youth - they are the leaders of today.
Green flags and green lights
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 6:49:00 GMT 12
Sorry ppl, I'm sick of certain members calling our young drivers a waste of time to watch!!!! Our young champs need as much attention as the big boys if not more they are our future entertainers of this sport we all love. Come on members give them all some credit where its due and Show them we care aye!! Is it that hard to do?  ? Pull your head out of the sand 41ford. No one is suggesting not to support our sports youth, or that these drivers are a waste of time to watch alltogether - thats simply not true! If you really want to do something positive and constructive why don't you take the lead and help the ministocks clean up their lousy image. There is a time and place for everything. My beef as a fan under the "Value for money' thread was directed at PN promotion. They are responsible for what classes are run and cop both praise or flak from me accordingly. I am happy to pay a premium for a seat at my favorite track PN and but the relentless onslaught of ministocks at almost every meeting is wearing thin. And I haven't read any posts attacking young drivers personally, and frankly I doubt any here on Macgors would stoop to that level. But if you want an example of some who would - you need look no further that within the mini stock fraternity itself! If there ever was a group that seems to have within their midst some of the most immature, small minded, self seeking, two faced, one eyed, bunch of back stabbing hypocrites - this is it! Last year our local track had (had) a very promising and talented young driver, Jamie Larson. The crap I understand this young man copped behind the scene from fellow competitors/parents was mind boggling. The editor of January Dirt Track says: Speedway has it own "black plague..."
....Youth Ministocks with Parents.....
Whilst I appreciate that Youth Ministocks are the stepping stone to other classes, there are some parents who believe that they should be in control of the rules, Official and Clubs, many are living their dreams through their kids, applying untold pressure for "results".
Some kids are texting nasty messages, there is bulling at school, accusations of cheating and a class that should be enjoyed by the kids involved has developed into a hard out free for all as some Parents manipulate behind the scenes. SNZ Update 161Youth Ministock Behaviour The on and off-track behaviour of Youth Ministock competitors is constantly under scrutiny, and unfortunately the 2008/09 season has started with a number of unsavoury incidents being reported to Speedway New Zealand. It is therefore timely to remind all Youth competitors and their parents that there is a zero tolerance policy regarding violence or bullying of any kind.Seems some of these 'Young Champs' may require a bit of discipline, and be taught other values including accountability, and respect for others. But that may be difficult if some parents haven't grown up themselves yet. I wholeheartedly agree that under the right circumstances ministocks are good for our youth. But I am also mindful that many of these young pilots come from privileged background's. I am sure that there are many more young kiwi boys and girls would relish the same opportunity, but their families financial circumstances simply don't allow it. Surely racing a ministock in front of a large superstock crowd is a privilege, not a right. |
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Post by Cheque Book on Jan 23, 2009 9:20:33 GMT 12
Interesting copy of the rules from SNZ,
I have been involved in a Mini stock this year and one thing i will say is in the PC world we live in Each SNZ License driver should be treated the same, and these kids are not, On a number of times i have heard these kids being talked down to, Rules being changed, in general treated in a way if some one talked to me or treated me like that i would knock there block off,
Youth Ministocks with Parents, HOLD ON
I seen the same from car owners and pit crew of super stocks and stock cars over the years,
who after all put there time and money in so there car can race,
If a driver is being unfairly treated man its all on, Let alone the way some of these power tripper talk down and upset these kids,
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Post by 41ford on Jan 23, 2009 14:31:10 GMT 12
Sorry ppl, I'm sick of certain members calling our young drivers a waste of time to watch!!!! Our young champs need as much attention as the big boys if not more they are our future entertainers of this sport we all love. Come on members give them all some credit where its due and Show them we care aye!! Is it that hard to do? ? Pull your head out of the sand 41ford. Where Did I say there was No support!!!!!! I said Simply Show it!!!! Yes some parents can be like that. I have Coached Hockey for 7 years at rep level as wel and we get the same there with parents. And yes there is ppl on here that say they are a waste of time and that is what I disagree with on here as so many others have done!! As Cheque Book has explained There alot of Adults out there acting far worse than our little guys are so just hold back and take a look at the bigger picture mate. You are free to have your own thoughts thats great. Good on you for sharing. I was Just sharing mine too ok!!!! Now smile and be happy for our future Drivers!!!! |
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Post by petero on Jan 23, 2009 15:34:47 GMT 12
There is a time and place for everything. My beef as a fan under the "Value for money' thread was directed at PN promotion. They are responsible for what classes are run and cop both praise or flak from me accordingly. I am happy to pay a premium for a seat at my favorite track PN and but the relentless onslaught of ministocks at almost every meeting is wearing thin. . I agree exactly Phil B, that was the point of my thread in Value for Money. We have to travel to to watch, so yes, both classes of Ministocks is too much at the bigger meetings Our time and money talks, and we can walk -read decide not to go -. Still undecided on the Global Challenge, but at least now stockcars on the list and hopefully a few HB streetstocks will show, they are good value. At least with youth ministocks, they do travel around, so you do get to know and follow the top drivers. If both youth and Adult on the same night, then the Adult races become the food/ pee break time. At home track of HB, we usually get two groups of youth ministocks on most meetings, do enjoy watching the top guns, but at least we know the stockcars and streetstocks will put on a show as well. |
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Post by eddiek on Jan 23, 2009 17:56:40 GMT 12
I know there going to be mixed opinions but Did you have trainers on ya bike before stepping up to a big boy bike? ? Did he ride his bike with trainer wheels in the Tour de France or did he practice when nobody was watching before making the step up to the big stage? So what your saying here is that ministocks should be kept hidden away from public sight and run in peoples backyards with high fences and only under mum and dads steady gaze? I've heard some downright dumb comments about these so called hotdog classes in my time, and that is one of the dumbest. You may as well ban the class instead and watch speedway die from within, and 10 years from now, enjoy watching 3 midgets and a sprint car as a result. I would be the last one to talk up Huntly's ministock megaday as being the meeting of the year - but heaven help the sport if those who just bag the class ever got what they want. Mintie - spot on with your comments BTW - at least their out there doing it, unlike some that simply sit on the benches and bleat about it. |
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Post by GavS on Jan 23, 2009 18:57:52 GMT 12
where did this thread come from? i read all this and the only part i agree with is the last sentence of no grips response
yes some youth drivers are the future of speedway
yes some races are boring, deal with it
for one i am happy to see youth at ruapuna, esp in these tough times, they may not be a glamor class, but they are still out there having fun, and like some one said you still get a lot of people cheering them on, hey im jealous, there no way i can afford to go racing, would love to, so i do the next best and help others race instead, by crewing, but these guys, and girls are out doing in... In the dirt
SEE YOU ALL IN PALMY NZ SPRINTCARS
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 24, 2009 7:42:00 GMT 12
No one is suggesting not to support our sports youth, or that these drivers are a waste of time to watch alltogether - thats simply not true! Ummm, wait on a bit. Who was it that said that Ministocks and Minisprints are an insult to them. And that they should be paid to watch them. Hmmm, can't remember, ummm. No wait, it was you!!! I know who needs to pull their head in and it ain't 41ford. |
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