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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 13:27:15 GMT 12
Hoping that Auckland do manage to get a team together for Palmy .
Yes we can understand its difficult with amount of A cars now running out of Huntly .
I guess a team with those available to race for the Allstars plus a ringin or two would be good .
But you have to take the circumstances into account and not bag Auckland if they cant provide a team..
So having Auckland put on the Teams Nationals event is another subject really . Good on them if they can make it all happen..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 13:33:59 GMT 12
after talking to bruce today barry unlikely you will see a jaffa team at palmy teams I agree If Auckland cant front a team why should they expect other teams to travel - Might be time for the Nationals to move to another venue - Maybe similar to Stockcar teams winning team hosts the following year ?? Or Do Waikaraka promotion own the rights to this? Any track can run any event, teams or otherwise, and call it anything they like except the words SNZ specify you cant use without permission. As I suspect Auckland are about to find out again (they must have forgotten) these thing don't just fall together on their own. They take a lot of time, money, negotioation skills & nerves of steel. There is a very good reason that there is now only 1 Superstock teams champs held every year rather than the 5 or 6 that were run one year. Not knocking Aucklands efforts but it is a very hard ask to bring this together. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 14:20:46 GMT 12
we had this out last year, some folks have short memories, the meeting is aucklands meeting, it doesnt get shared round, its not up for grabs if you win it, its got nothing to do with whether auckland fronts a team in palmy, why should it, Tiroto, Kiatoa??
Its business in its purest form, if the prize is worth having, if the conditions are right, if the mana of the event is held in high enough regard teams will come. I hope they go for it and it all works out well, got to love teams supers at your local track.
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 25, 2011 14:25:36 GMT 12
we had this out last year, some folks have short memories, the meeting is aucklands meeting, it doesnt get shared round, its not up for grabs if you win it, its got nothing to do with whether auckland fronts a team in palmy, why should it, Tiroto, Kiatoa?? Its business in its purest form, if the prize is worth having, if the conditions are right, if the mana of the event is held in high enough regard teams will come. I hope they go for it and it all works out well, got to love teams supers at your local track. I guess the mana, the prize worth having and conditions werent quite right last year then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 14:33:07 GMT 12
I think it had more to do with internal club isues, no real idea, not a member,..., but hey, teams arrived the previous year and the year before that.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 14:33:37 GMT 12
we had this out last year, some folks have short memories, the meeting is aucklands meeting, it doesnt get shared round, its not up for grabs if you win it, its got nothing to do with whether auckland fronts a team in palmy, why should it, Tiroto, Kiatoa?? Its business in its purest form, if the prize is worth having, if the conditions are right, if the mana of the event is held in high enough regard teams will come. I hope they go for it and it all works out well, got to love teams supers at your local track. I guess the mana, the prize worth having and conditions werent quite right last year then? I think putting up the prize worth having was the prob last season |
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Post by tiroto on Jan 25, 2011 14:34:56 GMT 12
I've been a regular at Auckland teams and love it (not the last couple of years though). I think Auckland can pull it off however it just appears to need some freshness to the thing - a big boost or something! It's probably the drivers that should be asked not a "wanabe superstock mudscaper" like myself! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 15:02:38 GMT 12
I think if it falls over at the last minute again like it did last year Auckland will be in for a whole heap of criticism.
If its not set in concrete , hand it over to another track while there is time ..
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Post by Jamo on Jan 25, 2011 15:19:29 GMT 12
any of you "critics" out their really want to see this meeting happen in Auckland this year then maybe you could stump up with a bit chunk of the $40-$50k in prizemoney/travelmoney required to get the teams up to support it?? You put the money up and the drivers will come. Hasn't really got anything to do with if Auckland send a team to Palmy, it is more to do with what teams want in the way of $$ to come to Akl. Teams racing isn't cheap and Akl cannot accommodate the crowd numbers of Palmy. This makes this event difficult to run in Akl due to the costs. Good on the club for trying to put something together but the reality is that unless the drivers will be willing to front for less money than they realistically deserve then it just won't happen. Either that or a fair size sponsor has to be found. Reading some comments on here I really wonder if some of you have any real concept of what sort of costs are involved. I somehow doubt it........  I really can't understand the one about criticizing the track if it doesn't fly.  Seems to me people think this meeting is a right and it is owed to them regardless of the financial impacts. get over yourselves and put your money where your fingers are if you want to see it happen! |
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 25, 2011 15:26:34 GMT 12
any of you "critics" out their really want to see this meeting happen in Auckland this year then maybe you could stump up with a bit chunk of the $40-$50k in prizemoney/travelmoney required to get the teams up to support it?? You put the money up and the drivers will come. Hasn't really got anything to do with if Auckland send a team to Palmy, it is more to do with what teams want in the way of $$ to come to Akl. Teams racing isn't cheap and Akl cannot accommodate the crowd numbers of Palmy. This makes this event difficult to run in Akl due to the costs. Good on the club for trying to put something together but the reality is that unless the drivers will be willing to front for less money than they realistically deserve then it just won't happen. Either that or a fair size sponsor has to be found. Reading some comments on here I really wonder if some of you have any real concept of what sort of costs are involved. I somehow doubt it........ I really can't understand the one about criticizing the track if it doesn't fly. Seems to me people think this meeting is a right and it is owed to them regardless of the financial impacts. get over yourselves and put your money where your fingers are if you want to see it happen! |
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 25, 2011 15:28:57 GMT 12
any of you "critics" out their really want to see this meeting happen in Auckland this year then maybe you could stump up with a bit chunk of the $40-$50k in prizemoney/travelmoney required to get the teams up to support it?? You put the money up and the drivers will come. Hasn't really got anything to do with if Auckland send a team to Palmy, it is more to do with what teams want in the way of $$ to come to Akl. Teams racing isn't cheap and Akl cannot accommodate the crowd numbers of Palmy. This makes this event difficult to run in Akl due to the costs. Good on the club for trying to put something together but the reality is that unless the drivers will be willing to front for less money than they realistically deserve then it just won't happen. Either that or a fair size sponsor has to be found. Reading some comments on here I really wonder if some of you have any real concept of what sort of costs are involved. I somehow doubt it........ I really can't understand the one about criticizing the track if it doesn't fly. Seems to me people think this meeting is a right and it is owed to them regardless of the financial impacts. get over yourselves and put your money where your fingers are if you want to see it happen! oops - But i must say that the Drivers earn every cent the get and i doubt if it covers the costs most incur. Each of these guys risk machinery well in excess of the 50k you suggest the club fronts up with. If the club cant make the numbers work let another club try!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 15:32:05 GMT 12
More the case of , Dont promise something to the fans ,if you are uncertain if it wil be delivered .
Getting all hyped up and then canning it at the last minute opens it up for alot of dissent .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 15:46:13 GMT 12
kiatoa and highrevs  so much doom and nothings even happened yet, Marty says HB are going, hey the sky may not fall down yet.... |
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Post by Jamo on Jan 25, 2011 15:48:27 GMT 12
oops - But i must say that the Drivers earn every cent the get and i doubt if it covers the costs most incur. Each of these guys risk machinery well in excess of the 50k you suggest the club fronts up with. If the club cant make the numbers work let another club try!!! Nothing stopping them from doing it now. Any track can run a Teams event if they want to, has nothing to do with Akl making the numbers work. I don't see how having Akl working on putting on a Teams event stops other tracks from doing likewise?? Why are the two linked? You make it sound like big bad Auckland are doing the rest of the country are dis-service for trying to put on the event and if things don't pan out it is their fault other tracks don't run one!! Illogical. I agree with the costs to the drivers and that is why I have said that drivers are expected to front for less than what it may cost them to compete, nothing new there but doesn't change the fact that every car will likely want $2-$3k each. 5 cars per team. 8-10 teams. You do the math. I can see the day coming where gate prices will need to increase dramatically for this event if you want to see it happen. It will be the only way to cover the costs of running it. Prices of $50 per night per adult may not be to far away. At least then the clubs would be able to offer the drivers the money they need to make this work. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 25, 2011 15:51:09 GMT 12
If Palmy have to run a revised (shortened) 11 team format because they're one team short this year (it was Wanganui last year and looks likely to be Auckland this year), it may be difficult to attact either of the two Manawatu sides to Auckland, thus making it even more difficult not only to stage the event but to make it a success (minus a big drawcard). That's what I was getting at........
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 25, 2011 15:53:21 GMT 12
You can see the day when $50 will be paid - do you not go to the team champs in Palmy? Its already $50 and worth every cent. What i am saying is Auckland tried last year failed and cost people who booked accomidation flights etc money. If they cant guarantee its going to run dont try. |
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Post by pallmall on Jan 25, 2011 16:02:20 GMT 12
It matters not what happened last year, except that people forget the major impact the rain out at the NZ Champs at KK had on all superstock racing in the later part of last season.
Personally I think that the Auckland event usually sees better on track activity than Palmy, but lacks the Palmy atmosphere.
If it happens, it happens, if not move on.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 25, 2011 16:10:29 GMT 12
It matters not what happened last year, except that people forget the major impact the rain out at the NZ Champs at KK had on all superstock racing in the later part of last season. Personally I think that the Auckland event usually sees better on track activity than Palmy, but lacks the Palmy atmosphere. If it happens, it happens, if not move on. That's okay for us Aucklanders, there were out-of-towners who got burned on accommodation etc last year who will be extra careful this time around. Once burned, twice shy. If it gets scrapped at the last moment again this year I'd say it will never be resurrected. It would be a sad loss to the calendar after over 20 years of action, so I have everything crossed that the ASSCC pull it off in 2011. |
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Post by gregobro on Jan 25, 2011 16:17:54 GMT 12
Just a small point, if i remember right Palmy didnt send a team to Auckland on more than one occassion and Auckland still fronted at Palmy so I dont think the Allstars missing Palmy would be good grounds for a Manawatu no show.
Just hope both meets go ahead with both clubs involved.
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Post by gregobro on Jan 25, 2011 16:19:07 GMT 12
... and I do think their prices should go up - its a pretty cheap deal for a teams meeting.
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I really can't understand the one about criticizing the track if it doesn't fly. 
Seems to me people think this meeting is a right and it is owed to them regardless of the financial impacts. get over yourselves and put your money where your fingers are if you want to see it happen!
so much doom and nothings even happened yet, Marty says HB are going, hey the sky may not fall down yet....
