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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 15:20:08 GMT 12
So what happened to running the stockcars teams inside the supers teams, as was stated was being looked at a while back.
yes i would pay 70 bucks for two nights of best action, its $140.00 for Mrs Z and me. But I want to see a really well organised meeting that is a carnival of stockcars, with a band playing before etc( and not some shiite hip hop band from out the A hole of auckland) and I would want stockcars with something to race for and guests brought in to stir the Shiite out of it, I would want a big field of mods, and i would want mixed saloons ( get the best out of em in aucks when they run together i reckon) and I would want porry's boys there racing golden oldies, with no shiite talk from snz about how much contact etc there is.
No minisprints, no ministocks which we see far too much of at WP, well past bed time for kids and is one of the main reasons we stopped going so often, no frikken dirt track streetstocks, no bikes on the crappy bull ring, 50 stockcars would be fine, big number of teams for the main event, want to see the place dressed up like a heavyweight title fight, Hickey rented in for commentary, a big screen for point tables etc. do it like it should be done and we would pay $140..00 for two over two nights, if its really good we may pay more next year,, the simple rule is, price will always be an issue where value isnt shown. Its once a year, $140 bucks is a night at a restraunt, we would rather be at a stockcar festival at WP. If it proved itself and the demand was there, the club could sell tickets on an installment basis over the season so no one had to miss out because they cant grab a hundred or two hundred bucks out of the blue.
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 26, 2011 15:35:53 GMT 12
Honest question: If the entry cost both nights for this meeting to proceed were $40.00 / adult (special advanced purchase 2 day pass price of $70.00). $15.00 / child (special advanced purchase 2 day pass price of $25.00) and $100.00 family, 2 x adult and 4 x kids, (special advanced purchase 2 day pass price of $175.00). Would you pay it? If it guaranteed that the event would run with the best teams, agreeable format and appropriate support program are these prices indicated out of kilter?? You tell me! To put on the show I reckon this is what needs to be charged to make it a happening thing. Would the crowds come?? I pay $100 every year for Palmy and have thought it is fantastic value - so absolutely but you need to get the teams there - 8 isnt the same value as 11 or 12. |
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Post by Jamo on Jan 26, 2011 15:48:27 GMT 12
Yes for me, Jamo we have a vacancy on Committtee mate. We could really use a hand.  You don't need me on committee Dion, you guys know what needs to be done. Never been one for committees mate to be honest, I am not PC enough and would really struggle to continually justify decisions to club members who have little, or no idea, as to why things have to be done a certain way to make the place sustainable long-term. Always found it more profitable to act more like a dictator to be honest! LOL!! ;D ;D (I suffer fools very badly and our sport seems to have more than their fair share of them!  ) As for this event the answer is simple. It it is to run you need to charge somewhere near the prices I have indicated, make sure the teams get the $$ they want and make it known that in return they are expected not to stuff you around. You want their best teams and not watered down teams. You need to re look at the format to appease the punters. You need to have a long look at your support classes to make sure the quality and numbers are there and you need to throw in a bit of non speedway, non costly entertainment somewhere along the line. Ohh and lastly... prey for good weather!! Good luck! PS if we lose the Dirt cup this weekend due to the weather gods we can talk about a double header later |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 16:13:01 GMT 12
For several years now i have said that our crap shows are to expensive and our good shows to cheep. To go and see what i saw at palmy on Saturday night just been for $25 is just as ridiculous as being expected to pay $25 for the manawatu yth ministock champs. In any other market a sports blue chip event (teams champs) would be $40 -$50 for the cheap seats
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Post by alloyplatypus on Jan 26, 2011 16:18:15 GMT 12
For several years now i have said that our crap shows are to expensive and our good shows to cheep. To go and see what i saw at palmy on Saturday night just been for $25 is just as ridiculous as being expected to pay $25 for the manawatu yth ministock champs. In any other market a sports blue chip event (teams champs) would be $40 -$50 for the cheap seats darn straight, something like Palmy teams is the Metallica of speedway, so why not charge $100, and who cares if only half the people come the first time you do it? while Ministock Champs are the local band at the pub, $10 cover charge max. Keep the derbys and fireworks cheap, thats family volume, but for big champs, they need a big rethink i think. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2011 16:32:47 GMT 12
I've often said we should be able to pay a meeting's value on the way out rather than the asking price on the way in.
Never work I know with human nature being what it is.
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Post by dm on Jan 26, 2011 18:10:24 GMT 12
For several years now i have said that our crap shows are to expensive and our good shows to cheep. To go and see what i saw at palmy on Saturday night just been for $25 is just as ridiculous as being expected to pay $25 for the manawatu yth ministock champs. In any other market a sports blue chip event (teams champs) would be $40 -$50 for the cheap seats darn straight, something like Palmy teams is the Metallica of speedway, so why not charge $100, and who cares if only half the people come the first time you do it? while Ministock Champs are the local band at the pub, $10 cover charge max. Keep the derbys and fireworks cheap, thats family volume, but for big champs, they need a big rethink i think. $100 do you think that would work the second year? don't forget we have online coverage now and I'd pay for that rather than going expecially when you have kids that are mad on speedway bad enough trying to pay for ministocks lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:19:06 GMT 12
I've often said we should be able to pay a meeting's value on the way out rather than the asking price on the way in. Never work I know with human nature being what it is. Miles and miles off subject I know but the acid test of overall value is if this was in place how often would you pay 3/4 or less of the asking price compeared to how often would you pay 25% more than the asking price |
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 26, 2011 18:24:36 GMT 12
I've often said we should be able to pay a meeting's value on the way out rather than the asking price on the way in. Never work I know with human nature being what it is. Miles and miles off subject I know but the acid test of overall value is if this was in place how often would you pay 3/4 or less of the asking price compeared to how often would you pay 25% more than the asking price  Is this the 5 year old IHC kid talking again lol Palmy can get 13000 or so to pay $40 tp $50 because on average it worths easily that |
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2011 18:31:21 GMT 12
I've often said we should be able to pay a meeting's value on the way out rather than the asking price on the way in. Never work I know with human nature being what it is. Miles and miles off subject I know but the acid test of overall value is if this was in place how often would you pay 3/4 or less of the asking price compeared to how often would you pay 25% more than the asking price I tend to be wiser with my meeting choices these day and simply don't attend meetings that I perceive won't be value. An example recently though was the nz super saloon champs. gate charge $20 per night. night one was excellent racing, would have happily paid $30 for that. Night two was about on par with the gate charge. The other handful of meetings I have attended so far have been about on par. |
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Post by rye on Jan 26, 2011 18:47:27 GMT 12
.........or sending an actual team to race at Palmerston North would be a good start too. That is looking increasingly unlikely, and you'd have to think it'll difficult to entice a bunch of teams to Auckland if Auckland can't raise a side for Palmy. Let's hope I'm wrong on both counts........ Hmmmm, I find it funny that in previous years when Auckland don't send a side down for the teams in Palmy, But for Auckland Team nats they can come up with nearly 2 teams (all stars and a select team normally consisting of more auckland cars). Maybe this year it could be a Auckland run event without a Auckland team like palmy, Now that could be interesting for all the locals throwing support for other teams. But I highly doubt Auckland won't run a event without a Auckland side. Hmmmmm, Take the event south to Rotorua like they were last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:01:22 GMT 12
Miles and miles off subject I know but the acid test of overall value is if this was in place how often would you pay 3/4 or less of the asking price compeared to how often would you pay 25% more than the asking price Is this the 5 year old IHC kid talking again lol Palmy can get 13000 or so to pay $40 tp $50 because on average it worths easily that Nope I think your wrong, I would say each night of Palmy teams is worth more than that. Although because its been under valued for so long you would need a gradual increase, like we have been seeing over the last few years. Of course you need to look after the talent who put on the show when raising prices etc. As for Akl teams .... mmmmm I can't really comment on their gate prices as i wont be there but if you are sure of your product don't under value it. you should be pitching this one at the die hard, speedway fans who are knowledgeable on things speedway, and hope enough of them turn up. This isn't the event to pitch to the once a season family crowd. Fill the place with Speedway ppl and charge them a fair price... give them a good show. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:20:44 GMT 12
The only reason auckland may not have a team is simple, not enough cars are ready as of yet, and others have registered to other tracks for whatever reason. I am working on an auckland registered car that will be making it's first appearance this weekend, but taking it to palmy relatively untested is a big gamble, if teething problems appear you dont only let yourself down, but the team as a whole, as well as supporters too. There is no reason auckland cannot front a team for the auckland teams nationals, but auckland going to palmy has no relevance in this thread.
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Post by grant on Jan 26, 2011 19:22:27 GMT 12
The committee and club need all of us to get behind them and support this event so that is there again in the following years and not lost due to infighting and lack of support.
This event has always been great in Auckland, hard racing and dedicated teams action, just what we cry out for.
Time to stop the knocking and for the committee to grab it by the b alls and run with it and for as many others to help if they can and make it successful.
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Post by nzf2stocks. on Jan 26, 2011 19:51:37 GMT 12
So what happened to running the stockcars teams inside the supers teams, as was stated was being looked at a while back. yes i would pay 70 bucks for two nights of best action, its $140.00 for Mrs Z and me. But I want to see a really well organised meeting that is a carnival of stockcars, with a band playing before etc( and not some shiite hip hop band from out the A hole of auckland) and I would want stockcars with something to race for and guests brought in to stir the Shiite out of it, I would want a big field of mods, and i would want mixed saloons ( get the best out of em in aucks when they run together i reckon) and I would want porry's boys there racing golden oldies, with no shiite talk from snz about how much contact etc there is. No minisprints, no ministocks which we see far too much of at WP, well past bed time for kids and is one of the main reasons we stopped going so often, no frikken dirt track streetstocks, no bikes on the crappy bull ring, 50 stockcars would be fine, big number of teams for the main event, want to see the place dressed up like a heavyweight title fight, Hickey rented in for commentary, a big screen for point tables etc. do it like it should be done and we would pay $140..00 for two over two nights, if its really good we may pay more next year,, the simple rule is, price will always be an issue where value isnt shown. Its once a year, $140 bucks is a night at a restraunt, we would rather be at a stockcar festival at WP. If it proved itself and the demand was there, the club could sell tickets on an installment basis over the season so no one had to miss out because they cant grab a hundred or two hundred bucks out of the blue. Everything you say is right, the only problem is a logistical one. The pits can only hold 108 cars if every one parks tight. There are some high profile crews that demand two or three spaces for their one car, and everyone else tries to spread out to get working room. The last time WP had a large volume meeting they spread out into the public car park, and had to put up with patrons pregnant doging that they couldn't get their fovourite parking spot. Sometimes you just cant win. |
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Post by Speeding Away on Jan 26, 2011 19:58:20 GMT 12
Thanks Grant,
Planning is under way, everyone knows our intention to run the event. No one is going to commit to coming till after Palmy. Early indications are we just might get the teams (lots of work to do yet). We wont have a team in Palmy, but believe me all has been done to try and make it happen (thanks Bryce & Dave) we can't work Miracles. Better to concentrate on Auckland.
Enjoy Palmy, see you the week after with more info.
Dion
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 26, 2011 20:41:28 GMT 12
yes Barry B grrrr you keep knocking Auckland not going to Palmy(not set in concrete just yet)with failing to mention Palmy have skipped going to Auckland a number of times ...you naughty boy Not knocking Marty, merely making the observation. you made the observation with one eye closed Barry....now admit defeat and yield |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 26, 2011 20:52:39 GMT 12
Not knocking Marty, merely making the observation. you made the observation with one eye closed Barry....now admit defeat and yield When you "admit defeat and yield" that there'll be 12 teams for Palmy 2011 ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 26, 2011 20:54:30 GMT 12
 well they tried sounds like they(allstars) have just yielded
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 26, 2011 20:56:58 GMT 12
well they tried sounds like they(allstars) have just yielded Who was the 13th team Marty lol |
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Is this the 5 year old IHC kid talking again lol Palmy can get 13000 or so to pay $40 tp $50 because on average it worths easily that
well they tried sounds like they(allstars) have just yielded