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Post by walker on Feb 5, 2012 8:53:11 GMT 12
Great racing
I think turn 3 needs to be monitored better and cars taken back or taken off for infringements.
Auckland were unfortunate against nelson as the two nelson cars had pretty much gained 1/2 a stretch of the back straight under red to be behind the leading auckland runner who was in second place. 82N was leading but then was towed off to the infield on the red
Stratford was unlucky as well. Barry P being taken to wall by mustang who clearly cut the grass.
And the Rees Incident. Well all I can say is they were a little fast on the extinguisher at first. But the flames were reunited for the second time and then put out for the second time. THis is outside interference
Consistency is what fans want.
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 5, 2012 8:54:02 GMT 12
mmmmmmmmmmmm Dion Mooney rolls twice in one race a year or 2 ago and is a legend. Rees rolls once and is a cheat. i too thought that he should have been put off for outside assistance and was surprised he wasnt. have had a look online at the rulebook and I cant find a definition of outside assistance in the Superstock section (surely i must be blind ? ) i did find a definition under sidecars so i assume its probably pretty close to the same and it states you shall be disqualified from the race if your machine is moved EXCEPT in the intersts of safety. so if we have a rule that says you can continue after being rolled and it is not outside assistance if it is deemed in the interests of safety then it would appear the ref got it right. i am happy to be corrected as long as someone can quote some rules rather than just anti palmy sentiment
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Post by marx63 on Feb 5, 2012 8:58:00 GMT 12
Well done  to the Allstars for a gallant effort in both races, with a bit more luck may have made a difference in the outcomes  |
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Post by old2nz on Feb 5, 2012 8:58:33 GMT 12
Stock car and super stock racing rules allow a car which has caught fire to be extinguished will no penalty. When the Rees car was rolled the fire was extinguished, the scrutineer checked the car for roll cage damage all was ok so he was allowed to continue. No rules where broken as outside assistance is not a factor when fire is a factor.
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Post by thefixer on Feb 5, 2012 9:00:45 GMT 12
Stock car and super stock racing rules allow a car which has caught fire to be extinguished will no penalty. When the Rees car was rolled the fire was extinguished, the scrutineer checked the car for roll cage damage all was ok so he was allowed to continue. No rules where broken as outside assistance is not a factor when fire is a factor. What about the loose wheel guard |
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:00:58 GMT 12
The rule says if a car is given outside assistance it is to be excluded from the race. The exception being a rollover when the car can be checked safety and if ok allowed to continue. Nothing can be done to the car in the way of outside assistance. If the fire had been left to go out on it's own then fine but that wasn't the case last night.
Peter Rees is not a cheat , the Ref made a poor call in my opinion.
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:02:41 GMT 12
Stock car and super stock racing rules allow a car which has caught fire to be extinguished will no penalty. When the Rees car was rolled the fire was extinguished, the scrutineer checked the car for roll cage damage all was ok so he was allowed to continue. No rules where broken as outside assistance is not a factor when fire is a factor. Where in the rule book does it say fires can be extinguished and the car allowed to continue?. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:07:37 GMT 12
R12-3-9 Restart
(a) The car which is the primary cause of the stoppage is not
eligible to restart Exception: At the discretion of the Referee a
car that has been rolled can be allowed to continue after a
safety check has been carried out.
The race continues from a clutch start when the green flag/light
is displayed.
(b) No Orange/Amber light to be used during a race.
(c) When a car has been rolled over and has landed on it’s wheels
it shall be allowed to keep racing provided there is no outside
assistance and it passes a quick safety check. The offending
car won’t be penalised for bringing on the red light.
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Post by old2nz on Feb 5, 2012 9:08:30 GMT 12
You can only remove a car that has a detached wheel guard or a wheel guard that is missing. The wheel guard on the Rees car was not attached but although it had moved it was still securely attached. Therefore quite legal. Mind you very lucky to be held in that position as any more contact it would have been detached!
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Post by old2nz on Feb 5, 2012 9:11:31 GMT 12
Fire is covered by R12-3-7 c .
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 5, 2012 9:12:47 GMT 12
I too think Rees should have been removed. But alot of people here seem to be using as and excuse, Palmy were the most dominent team all night and deserve to be in the Final 4. The had ther measure of GB
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:16:11 GMT 12
Fire is covered by R12-3-7 c .
(c) In the event of a vehicle stopping or being stopped on the track
or infield during a race, the competitor shall remain strapped in
his seat until they are given permission to leave it by an
appropriate official. Obviously this restriction does not apply in
the case of fire.Nothing there about outside assistance being allowed to put out fires. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2012 9:18:59 GMT 12
As I understand it, the correct decision was made re the Rees fire. The wheelguard is one of the 50/50 judgement calls that'll never have everyone in agreement.
I'm not sure why FWJ came infield after rolling Rees either. He wasn't happy but I'm not sure if it was with himself or others?
Was he damaged and pulled off? Or was he sent off? Turning point of the race anyway......
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:21:40 GMT 12
As I understand it, the correct decision was made re the Rees fire.. Point me to the rule and we'll understand it too. |
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Post by Wiseowl on Feb 5, 2012 9:23:47 GMT 12
mmmmmmmmmmmm Dion Mooney rolls twice in one race a year or 2 ago and is a legend. Rees rolls once and is a cheat. i too thought that he should have been put off for outside assistance and was surprised he wasnt. have had a look online at the rulebook and I cant find a definition of outside assistance in the Superstock section (surely i must be blind ? ) i did find a definition under sidecars so i assume its probably pretty close to the same and it states you shall be disqualified from the race if your machine is moved EXCEPT in the intersts of safety. so if we have a rule that says you can continue after being rolled and it is not outside assistance if it is deemed in the interests of safety then it would appear the ref got it right. i am happy to be corrected as long as someone can quote some rules rather than just anti palmy sentiment You Quote "Rees rolls once and is a cheat" This sort of unintelligent posting is pathetic.... I have read this whole discussion and find it quite outrageous. My opinion is that drivers race on the track.....and its up to the OFFICIALS...not the drivers who decide who goes on/off the track for outside assistance !!! or for any other misdemeaner for that matter !!! To call a driver "a cheat" ....as he was NOT put to the infield... is totally wrong You should be venting your anger at the NON- PN OFFICIALS !! The foul-mouthed abuse i witnessed in the pits last night towards the PN drivers was unacceptable and just made me continue to realise why our great sport has the poor reputation amongst others, outside Speedway Better still....go watch another sport and let the rest of us enjoy the BEST SPORT IN THE LAND !!! Cheers WISEOWL |
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Post by mattblack on Feb 5, 2012 9:23:55 GMT 12
The rule says if a car is given outside assistance it is to be excluded from the race. The exception being a rollover when the car can be checked safety and if ok allowed to continue. Nothing can be done to the car in the way of outside assistance. If the fire had been left to go out on it's own then fine but that wasn't the case last night. Peter Rees is not a cheat , the Ref made a poor call in my opinion. I agree with you on this but understand where the refs are coming from in regards to fire being excluded from outside assistance, how do they stop trigger happy fire Marshall's? Pete himself stated in the post race interview that he told the fire marshall to bugger off, to no avail.and as already stated by gibbs ( who appears to be a fireman) that the fire would have self extinguished, but we'll never know as the fire marshall did his job, safety first, probably the best decision. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2012 9:28:45 GMT 12
The rule says if a car is given outside assistance it is to be excluded from the race. The exception being a rollover when the car can be checked safety and if ok allowed to continue. Nothing can be done to the car in the way of outside assistance. If the fire had been left to go out on it's own then fine but that wasn't the case last night. Peter Rees is not a cheat , the Ref made a poor call in my opinion. I agree with you on this but understand where the refs are coming from in regards to fire being excluded from outside assistance, how do they stop trigger happy fire Marshall's? Pete himself stated in the post race interview that he told the fire marshall to bugger off, to no avail.and as already stated by gibbs ( who appears to be a fireman) that the fire would have self extinguished, but we'll never know as the fire marshall did his job, safety first, probably the best decision. I can understand what is a reasonable thing to do but the rule book is there for a reason . It had no effect on the outcome of the race in this instance but what happens tonight if the winner of the final is in a similar situation?. |
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Post by babylon567 on Feb 5, 2012 9:32:19 GMT 12
Then all these postings will start again
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Post by wal86 on Feb 5, 2012 9:35:40 GMT 12
even if peter rees had been taken off and every one moved up a place Team GB would still have been 80 odd points short of making the semi finals.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2012 9:36:19 GMT 12
Oh Wiseowl you're awake. I'll come downstairs for a cup of Earl Grey!!!
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to the Allstars for a gallant effort in both races, with a bit more luck may have made a difference in the outcomes 
